1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

So you make completely ignorant statements beyind just football.

Well, let me spell beyond for you. Point is there is always something that happens with him that allows him to play but he's limited. They should move him.

25 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I’m not a skier, but that seems doable with a brace. Also I know more people in real life who’ve torn their ACL skiing than I do for any other reason combined

That's how a tore mine. Had a little too much fun celebrating my friends bday on the slopes. Getting off the lift his snowboard caught one of my skis. Snap! Was fine for 2 years (skied alot during time) until the knee finally gave out after elk hunting. I'm 2 1/2 months from acl/meniscus post op and it still hurts like hell.

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

I’m not a skier, but that seems doable with a brace. Also I know more people in real life who’ve torn their ACL skiing than I do for any other reason combined

Doable and winning an Olympic medal seem like two different things to me in her events.

2 hours ago, devpool said:

Sure, but anybody could see the two hires he made were by far the worst options. Proven by the fact that Brian Johnson has been hired for 0 OC positions since his firing and the same will happen for Patullo. It's not easy finding a good one, but it's pretty easy to figure out who probably won't be a good one.

It still blows my mind they let sirianni make a hire after the Brian Johnson fiasco.

I'm just guessing here but I think it had something to do with him just winning the Super Bowl

4 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Proving discrimination is hard, but that's the way it goes. We can't just assume it without evidence. The odds of it existing here is low, given every team is incentivized monetarily and for a variety of reasons to win as much as they can. If there isn't discrimination among athletes, why would there be among coaches? Teams want to win, it directly impacts their bottom line. Teams favor offensive coaches, for whatever reason there seems to be more black coaches on the defensive side of the ball. Why? No idea, it's just one of those things.

But the solution will be worse than the problem. Given you can't force teams to hire specific candidates, you can't do anything about this other than infringing on the rights of teams and owners. Forcing them to interview candidates they don't want to is bad enough. We've seen a similar "problem" in schools where certain gifted programs had a very high rate of white and Asian students and school leadership believed not enough black and Latino students, so their "solution" ended up being to just eliminate the programs altogether and just make everyone dumber. Tell aspiring black coaches to focus more on the offensive side of the ball when it comes to coaching because it'll benefit their future coaching prospects. Other than that, there's nothing you can really do without having negative impacts on fairness.

I mean, without talking about fairness further, which I can understand where you're coming from, if you ask me frankly it's nothing that really has to do with intelligence, it's a lot more complicated. Football just isn't rocket science; people vastly overestimate the amount of intelligence it takes. I think it's just an extension of a different problem. Someone mentioned the issue of graduate assistants making very little money, and that's a good point, but beyond that...

What they really should be doing if they care is wondering where are the kinks in the pipeline. For example:

Quarterbacks. The more athletic a QB is, the less likely they will be taught proper fundamentals for a position. There are many QBs who get past college and end up not drafted or otherwise falling entirely because they're too athletic (and thusly weren't trained well). Head coaches of universities have pressure to perform too, so when faced between the idea of investing time into a freshman player to make them have NFL level reading ability, or just relying on the athleticism that got them recruited in the first place, what would you do?

Now think about how this would affect people naturally - I mean this in a very non-discriminatory way, but when looking at leagues like the NFL or NBA it's fair to say genetics of African-American individuals can be pretty high level athletic, right? So it's not a jump to make the argument that these people would be more likely to be victims of this effect - why teach them when you can design around their athleticism. This helps them start in college, but hurts them massively for the NFL. This is just one position so in theory it shouldn't matter, but former QBs is a HUGE subsection of offensive staff that goes on to be head coaches.

Combine these things with many of the owners being older (born before the 60s even), some narrative of lack of intelligence in certain races (this is actually boob), and the lack of college level training feeding back into the intelligence issue...

And your pipeline is basically plugged. Pretty sure if you figure out something that stops the college effect, that's the biggest thing you can do to increase the amount of head coaches. This should also answer the whole 'offensive side of the ball' thing you mentioned above. The other half is that OL and TE are half the positions in offense.

My ideal vision of a society is to treat skin color like hair color and not care about it or quantify it at all, but I guess that's wishful thinking. I think the world would be a better place if we stopped thinking about the immutable characteristics of humans. And not care at all about how many of X people or Y people work at a certain company or make up a certain organization.

Now people would counter that and argue "That's impossible as long as discrimination and hatred exist" and my response to that would be that as long as we continue to obsess about immutable characteristics, that will keep those things alive. And the best course of action is to stop caring about those things, and if someone engages in discrimination or hatred, you deal with it. But I think looking at every institution we have and asking "How many of X and Y do we have here?" is just an extremely toxic way to go through life. We should be beyond that in 2026. Coaches are just coaches, who cares what they look like.

possible backup who knows system

32 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'm just guessing here but I think it had something to do with him just winning the Super Bowl

Yea that shouldn't matter. The guy already proved he can't identify coaching talent.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

My ideal vision of a society is to treat skin color like hair color and not care about it or quantify it at all, but I guess that's wishful thinking. I think the world would be a better place if we stopped thinking about the immutable characteristics of humans. And not care at all about how many of X people or Y people work at a certain company or make up a certain organization.

Now people would counter that and argue "That's impossible as long as discrimination and hatred exist" and my response to that would be that as long as we continue to obsess about immutable characteristics, that will keep those things alive. And the best course of action is to stop caring about those things, and if someone engages in discrimination or hatred, you deal with it. But I think looking at every institution we have and asking "How many of X and Y do we have here?" is just an extremely toxic way to go through life. We should be beyond that in 2026. Coaches are just coaches, who cares what they look like.

It’s not all about hatred. Humans tend to have a bias towards humans that are like them. People tend to have a hiring bias in the same way. Half of Nick’s hires look like Nick. Sometimes it’s not skin color it could be hiring from same college etc. It makes sense to have a system to at least attempt to diversify that with the interviews. It’s far from perfect but it’s something

3 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Hopefully Howie prioritizes health over talent. Please no more of the "he's great when/if he's healthy"

Howie can't pass up a bargain in injured but talent players.

18 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

My ideal vision of a society is to treat skin color like hair color and not care about it or quantify it at all, but I guess that's wishful thinking. I think the world would be a better place if we stopped thinking about the immutable characteristics of humans. And not care at all about how many of X people or Y people work at a certain company or make up a certain organization.

Now people would counter that and argue "That's impossible as long as discrimination and hatred exist" and my response to that would be that as long as we continue to obsess about immutable characteristics, that will keep those things alive. And the best course of action is to stop caring about those things, and if someone engages in discrimination or hatred, you deal with it. But I think looking at every institution we have and asking "How many of X and Y do we have here?" is just an extremely toxic way to go through life. We should be beyond that in 2026. Coaches are just coaches, who cares what they look like.

There’s people who hate gingers and think they are soulless

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

My ideal vision of a society is to treat skin color like hair color and not care about it or quantify it at all, but I guess that's wishful thinking. I think the world would be a better place if we stopped thinking about the immutable characteristics of humans. And not care at all about how many of X people or Y people work at a certain company or make up a certain organization.

Now people would counter that and argue "That's impossible as long as discrimination and hatred exist" and my response to that would be that as long as we continue to obsess about immutable characteristics, that will keep those things alive. And the best course of action is to stop caring about those things, and if someone engages in discrimination or hatred, you deal with it. But I think looking at every institution we have and asking "How many of X and Y do we have here?" is just an extremely toxic way to go through life. We should be beyond that in 2026. Coaches are just coaches, who cares what they look like.

Yes...this is wrong on so many levels. People who think like this are referred to as "rainbow people". They try to believe that the world needs to just be colorblind...it is almost always white middle-class individuals who have a very limited life experience and perspective. They will prove their lack of "racial prejudice" by stating "..."but many of my friends are people of color". It is not our job as white people to try to whitewash other people's experiences...everyone is entitled to their story and cultural upbringing and needs to be honored as such.

The problem with the "rainbow" thinking is that it excludes and minimizes a person's personal and cultural experience. I will never tell a person of color that I understand, I will only tell them that I can empathize and try to understand. As an older middle class white male, I can safely walk into a Best Buy and pick up items in my hands and walk around the store without anyone paying attention...no one is going to follow me or hassle with me. I can probably walk right out the store with an item or two and then be able to explain myself away out of trouble. There was a recent police killing in a nearby town with an African-American young male, that started as a minor traffic stop and escalated....

I have worked exclusively in low income communities and have experiences all demographics in California from urban containment zones (places where even the police stay away from) in Oakland to the farm working migrant communities in the Salinas Valley...it is not OK in our modern society to just say, "people are just people".

4 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't get what's supposed to be so funny about hiring Matt Nagy as an OC. He got a head coaching job in CHI in 2018 and took over a team that was terrible on offense for years before he got there:

2014 -- 5-11, 23rd in points scored

2015 -- 6-10, 23rd in points scored

2016 -- 3-13, 28th in points scored

2017 -- 5-11, 29th in points scored

2018 -- 12-4, 9th in points scored

Trubisky was drafted the year before Nagy got there, so he was stuck with him at QB. Pace drafted Trubisky over Patrick Mahomes, then drafted Justin Fields when Trubisky was finally washed out. I'd be inclined to give the HC some slack when paired with a bad GM.

Both Reid and Mahomes seem to think highly of him; the Giants could have done a lot worse, IMO.

Chicago was good for one season. They were a bottom half of the League offense after that one season.

30 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t want to watch them.

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s people who hate gingers and think they are soulless

Identical twins… they ain’t right, unless hot.

2 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Yes...this is wrong on so many levels. People who think like this are referred to as "rainbow people". They try to believe that the world needs to just be colorblind...it is almost always white middle-class individuals who have a very limited life experience and perspective. They will prove their lack of "racial prejudice" by stating "..."but many of my friends are people of color". It is not our job as white people to try to whitewash other people's experiences...everyone is entitled to their story and cultural upbringing and needs to be honored as such.

The problem with the "rainbow" thinking is that it excludes and minimizes a person's personal and cultural experience. I will never tell a person of color that I understand, I will only tell them that I can empathize and try to understand. As an older middle class white male, I can safely walk into a Best Buy and pick up items in my hands and walk around the store without anyone paying attention...no one is going to follow me or hassle with me. I can probably walk right out the store with an item or two and then be able to explain myself away out of trouble. There was a recent police killing in a nearby town with an African-American young male, that started as a minor traffic stop and escalated....

I have worked exclusively in low income communities and have experiences all demographics in California from urban containment zones (places where even the police stay away from) in Oakland to the farm working migrant communities in the Salinas Valley...it is not OK in our modern society to just say, "people are just people".

Disagree with most of this. If the world was colorblind then no people would be targeted or discriminated against. Discrimination would no longer exist. Now obviously that is an ideal pie in the sky vision and one that will almost assuredly never exist because bias, hate, etc will likely always exist. But it is the ideal and that should be what we strive for. People's individual experiences are just that, individual experiences. They are not necessarily indicative of a larger truth or reality. No two people ever have the same life experience, and that is true within demographics as well. Two white people's experiences aren't the same either. Just as those of two black people. gay people, etc. Are you more likely to face discrimination if you're a minority in America? Yes. Which is why I said if discrimination happens, we deal with it. But we are talking about policy here. And like I previously mentioned, policy very often ends up doing more harm than good. As we've seen with hiring mandates, cancellation of gifted programs, dumbing down of curriculums, altering standards, etc.... all with the end goal of flattening outcomes, almost always ending in disaster. You can't force diversity, and quotas are not effective. It has to be achieved organically, not infringing on the rights of individual choice.

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Identical twins… they ain’t right, unless hot.

22 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It’s not all about hatred. Humans tend to have a bias towards humans that are like them. People tend to have a hiring bias in the same way. Half of Nick’s hires look like Nick. Sometimes it’s not skin color it could be hiring from same college etc. It makes sense to have a system to at least attempt to diversify that with the interviews. It’s far from perfect but it’s something

I don't have the biggest issue in the world with the Rooney Rule, it's not the end of the world, although I consider it a bit trite. But the narrative coming out the last few days is "It's not enough." So where do they go next without infringing on owner's rights? Make hiring mandates? Obviously can't do that. Start offering first round picks for compensation? I believe they've gone as far as they can go and they just kinda have to accept what it is at this point.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Disagree with most of this. If the world was colorblind then no people would be targeted or discriminated against. Discrimination would no longer exist. Now obviously that is an ideal vision and one that will almost assuredly never exist because bias, hate, etc will likely always exist. But it is the ideal and that should be what we strive for. People's individual experiences are just that, individual experiences. They are not necessarily indicative of a larger truth or reality. No two people ever have the same life experience, and that is true within demographics as well. Two white people's experiences aren't the same either. Just as those of two black people. gay people, etc. Are you more likely to face discrimination if you're a minority in America? Yes. Which is why I said if discrimination happens, we deal with it. But we are talking about policy here. And like I previously mentioned, policy very often ends up doing more harm than good. As we've seen with hiring mandates, cancellation of gifted programs, dumbing down of curriculums, altering standards, etc.... all with the end goal of flattening outcomes, almost always ending in disaster. You can't force diversity, and quotas are not effective. It has to be achieved organically, not infringing on the rights of individual choice.

You can disagree all you want...as you push out the goal posts. You now want to move to policy..well geez...who are the policy makers? This is "rainbow thinking"...it only looks through one lens...people just assume their experience is enough to share in the conversation. An average white middle class male has no experience, education or training to even begin to understand let alone participate...period.

2 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

You can disagree all you want...as you push out the goal posts. You now want to move to policy..well geez...who are the policy makers? This is "rainbow thinking"...it only looks through one lens...people just assume their experience is enough to share in the conversation. An average white middle class male has no experience, education or training to even begin to understand let alone participate...period.

Everyone has a right to have an opinion on anything they want. One's identity doesn't make them right or wrong about an issue. The logic and reason behind their arguments does. Trying to shame and stifle someone based on their identity is something people who have no argument tend to do.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Everyone has a right to have an opinion on anything they want. One's identity doesn't make them right or wrong about an issue. The logic and reason behind their arguments does. Trying to shame and stifle someone based on their identity is something people who have no argument tend to do.

You are always entitled to your opinion...no one is stopping you...race is a sensitive topic that requires more than an opinion...but I am moving on...it is better to understand than be understood

I make sure to get all my info on race-based policy from people who create fake Twitter accounts to troll anonymous internet strangers on the unofficial message board of an NFL team.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don't want them to either.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, let me spell beyond for you. Point is there is always something that happens with him that allows him to play but he's limited. They should move him.

You can say that without thisndisgust8ng belittling of him as if he has been side tracked by minor injuries. He's been the toughest athlete in the city since he has been here and has suffered the worst injury luck that I've seen which I feel terrible about and yet he has always gutted through it.

Teo broken faces yet he still paid, risking taking a shot even eith the mask on that would blind him. Playing on torn up knees on a hard wood court at his massive size. He is tough as nails and it is so disgustingly ignorant for you to suggest he has just little minor issues.