February 5Feb 5 I thought it was fairly recently reported that the eagles hired a highly thought of assistant OL coach like a year or 2 ago. Maybe he is just ready to step right up.Speaking of respected assistant OL coaches, where is Juan's right hand man Eugene Chung these days?
February 5Feb 5 5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:The messaging early on was he was traded to be the KR, which he was. It’s not like they used him much at all at any point in the season either.I don’t know who’s to blame for not utilizing our offensive weapons correctly, but a lot of talent went to waste. I’m not trying to act like Tank was Barry Sanders but when the guy gives you 4-5 a carry you use him. Choosing not to was just dumb, now who had a big influence on that? I don’t know. Stout was one of the best if not the best, this is likely changing of the guard. Sucks but changes needed to be made, I just hope we’re not willing to look away from other changes. RB and WR coaches are likely gone as well. This whole offense will be changing and something tells me Sirianni has nothing to do with it besides sit and watch and don’t screw it up. This offensive shakeup seems like Howie and Lurie……possibly why Fangio is contemplating retirement.
February 5Feb 5 23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:Basically Sirianni and Patullo drove him out. Insane. Total incompetence.Stoutland was not consulted about the changes to what he felt was an appropriate degree, a league source said, to the point where he no longer desired the title of run game coordinator because he felt it no longer fit his job description.How does that even happen?
February 5Feb 5 1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:Giants already hired himBut we could promote him to DC.
February 5Feb 5 1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:I thought it was fairly recently reported that the eagles hired a highly thought of assistant OL coach like a year or 2 ago. Maybe he is just ready to step right up.Speaking of respected assistant OL coaches, where is Juan's right hand man Eugene Chung these days?He is the OL coach and RGC for DJax at Delaware State. He coached with Stout too but wasn't brought back at one point
February 5Feb 5 11 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:They are willing to change the offensive coaching staff to run that scheme. Thats not really unusual. It’s happening all over the league right now with different teams.If they want to make wholesale changes those should start at the top. Starting it at the coordinator level feels like a half assed attempt. What if Mannion gets hired away in a year and then what if the new OC they bring in doesn’t run the Shanahan offense? They made all these changes for nothing? If the top man was of that philosophy then that’s not a concern because he’s not going anywhere. This seems like a big change to make just to support a coordinator rather than a head coach.
February 5Feb 5 15 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:wtfWtf what?Dude is old and didnt want to switch to a whole new scheme. Sucks but i get it. 13 years. Two rings and a HoF career. Will always be one of us forever
February 5Feb 5 Just now, Mike030270 said:Stoutland was not consulted about the changes to what he felt was an appropriate degree, a league source said, to the point where he no longer desired the title of run game coordinator because he felt it no longer fit his job description.How does that even happen?So much for the narrative that the primary reason candidates didn't want this OC job was because they might not get much control. They were willing to lose Stoutland over implementing a new offense.
February 5Feb 5 Just now, Sack that QB said:If they want to make wholesale changes those should start at the top. Starting it at the coordinator level feels like a half assed attempt. What if Mannion gets hired away in a year and then what if the new OC they bring in doesn’t run the Shanahan offense? They made all these changes for nothing? If the top man was of that philosophy then that’s not a concern because he’s not going anywhere. This seems like a big change to make just to support a coordinator rather than a head coach.Maybe they just realize Siri is a great coach...
February 5Feb 5 Just now, HazletonEagle said:Maybe they just realize Siri is a great coach...Then why did they almost fire him in 2024? If they thought he was that great they wouldn’t even have considered it. Especially not mid season. Andy Reid went to one SB and it took them 13 years to consider firing him. And every reporter is saying if the Eagles have another 2025 type season then Sirianni is gone next year. Even if they make the playoffs. What does that tell you?
February 5Feb 5 2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:If they want to make wholesale changes those should start at the top. Starting it at the coordinator level feels like a half assed attempt. What if Mannion gets hired away in a year and then what if the new OC they bring in doesn’t run the Shanahan offense? They made all these changes for nothing? If the top man was of that philosophy then that’s not a concern because he’s not going anywhere. This seems like a big change to make just to support a coordinator rather than a head coach.You're taking issue with the CEO coach which is a valid opinion but every coach has at least one side of the ball this happens on. If the thought is that the Eagles should get their own McVay then great but it's just not that easy. Even if they fire Sirriani next year there's no guarantee they'll get the top O mind out there. In fact history says they won't.
February 5Feb 5 1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:Then why did they almost fire him in 2024? If they thought he was that great they wouldn’t even have considered it. Especially not mid season. Andy Reid went to one SB and it took them 13 years to consider firing him. And every reporter is saying if the Eagles have another 2025 type season then Sirianni is gone next year. Even if they make the playoffs. What does that tell you?It tells me the reporters make stuff up because you damn well know Lurie hasnt told them that.
February 5Feb 5 Well…I have a hard time believing that the Eagles brain trust has been caught off guard with this news and the timing of it.McManus’ article seems to suggest that this was a possibility for a while. I am guessing there is some kind of plan already in place but the timing is now the issue. I can only assume that the Eagles were stuck with any kind of public movement until the announcement was finally out there. The next couple of days are going to be really interesting as to whether there is already a replacement in mind or is this going to be a drawn out process?
February 5Feb 5 I actually think Siri is taking way too much heat at this point.He deserves criticism for being a CEO head coach and not having the blueprint to fix this offense and call the plays himself. He got that criticism throughout the season.Siri was neutered the moment he took this job. Howie and Lurie are very good at running this franchise. They do a fantastic job and bring in great personnel. Their winning model has been to make highly rational and calculating long term decisions about personnel and organizational philosophy whilst boxing out shortsighted head coaches from the process. Doug was hired as one of those coaches, they won a superbowl as proof of concept, and then he refused to cede control...leading to his dismissal and the hiring of Siri, who was one of the only HC's willing to sign up for this gig at the time. Then they win another SB under those terms to defend their concept.And then they have a down year in 2025...and Siri is all but publically neutered and disenfranchised in the offseason as part of their OC recruitment.Nick Sirianni is not in charge. Blame him for not being a better playcaller and scheme guy on offense. Question what he does. But all of this, whatever this is, is not on him. It could be as simple as the Eagles navigating a new power and schematic structure and some of the older near-retirement coaches understandably don't have the energy for it. Or there could be real tea. Either way, Siri isn't the shot-caller in ANY of this. He's not even in the back seat. He's in the 3rd row facing the other way.
February 5Feb 5 7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:Wtf what?Dude is old and didnt want to switch to a whole new scheme. Sucks but i get it. 13 years. Two rings and a HoF career. Will always be one of us foreverHe's 63, old but not that old by NFL coaching standards. But yeah per that espn article it seems like he was upset about how things unfolded towards the end of the season and decided to just step away. I didn't see this coming, but hopefully they can rebound from it. The reason we won both of those rings was in large part due to how dominant our lines were. It's a lot of eggs in the Sean Mannion basket now.
February 5Feb 5 Bummer Stout is gone. Gonna be an interesting upcoming season. I have no qualms with the changes. We have to utilize our WRs much more and the blocking scheme has to change with offensive philosophy. McCaffery is great in the system and I have no doubt Saquon and Tank will be too. Don't understand all the clenched panties in here. We wanted change, we wanted a more dynamic and diverse offense and it is on the way. I'm psyched to see what happens. If we suck again, so be it, but I am hopeful today that we will have a fun offense again.
February 5Feb 5 12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:So much for the narrative that the primary reason candidates didn't want this OC job was because they might not get much control. They were willing to lose Stoutland over implementing a new offense.I’m more concerned about losing Stout the teacher than Stout the run game strategist. A lot of ZBS heavy teams (e.g., GB, LAR) had a harder time effectively running the ball last season and switched over to more duo/gap stuff as a remedy.
February 5Feb 5 I hope he retires. It's going to sting if he decides to just go to another team. I know teams will throw money at him but that'll hurt
February 5Feb 5 21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:We need an OL coach who can grow into becoming a DC.You know who they need to call.He might be going to the Giants
February 5Feb 5 3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:Bummer Stout is gone. Gonna be an interesting upcoming season. I have no qualms with the changes. We have to utilize our WRs much more and the blocking scheme has to change with offensive philosophy. McCaffery is great in the system and I have no doubt Saquon and Tank will be too. Don't understand all the clenched panties in here. We wanted change, we wanted a more dynamic and diverse offense and it is on the way. I'm psyched to see what happens. If we suck again, so be it, but I am hopeful today that we will have a fun offense again.Well I mean the Eagles wanted him back. He decided to leave. So this is just the latest thing that the Eagles came into the offseason planning for something else and it didn’t go the way they wanted. That doesn’t mean it will prove to be franchise ruining, but it’s certainly not ideal at the very least.
February 5Feb 5 20 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:I thought it was fairly recently reported that the eagles hired a highly thought of assistant OL coach like a year or 2 ago. Maybe he is just ready to step right up.Speaking of respected assistant OL coaches, where is Juan's right hand man Eugene Chung these days?He’s the athletic director for a private school in Naples, Florida. I know because my dad works there.
February 5Feb 5 People are ignoring the personnel side of this because it's both more boring and more depressing, rather than talking about spicy drama.You've got a HOF RT that is D-O-N-E, whether he chooses to retire or not. You've got an OC and LG who are getting paid like the pro-bowlers they once were...but may have career altering injuries. You have an offense completely built to rely on those 3 positions performing at an all-pro level. Now that Patullo is gone, the single biggest finger is being pointed at the OL as the reason the offense sucked.Stout just may not think he has the horses to put together the kind of OL performance everyone expects from a Jeff Stoutland OL.Same reason OC candidates were looking at an OL that has personnel in flux, a QB that doesnt run anymore but doesn't throw that well, and a WR1 that wants out. Amidst all this, there's some embedded insistence that this mess that peaked 1-3 years ago is actually the most talented offense in the NFL.There's a personnel problem. It's not necessarily that everyone just hates each other and there's all this drama.
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