It was mentioned roughly a thousand times that the run game was not married to the pass game. That happened both under Stoutland’s watch and after he was no longer the RGC.

How does that happen? I’m not sure. How can the passing game and run game coordinator and offensive coordinator not hammer this out? Maybe Stoutland lost his fastball? Maybe he was unwilling to change what he thought was best to worsen the run game (in his eyes) to fit with the passing game and thought it should work vice versa? That’s what makes the reports of Sirianni and Patullo tinkering with the run game so odd. This couldn’t be hashed out with Stout? Neither Sirianni nor Patullo has some kind of expertise in the run game. Hell, they don’t even have any expertise in the passing game.

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The run game sucked. A decent chunk of people in the blog criticized Stoutland. So when people claimed Siri did nothing to try to fix the offense, we are going to complain that he actually tried to change the one thing about the offense that regressed more than anything else from the prior season? The thing we needed to be successful? We are seriously going to blame Siri for that now too? If he wasnt supposed to try to make things better, and he wasnt supposed to NOT try to make things better, what was he supposed to do?

Do or do not, there is no try.

17 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I usually like your posts but are you out of your freaking mind? Down year because the OC was dog crap. That's on Nick not him and who the hell are they going to get now that we trust to develop the line the way he does. This is a huge and honestly devastating loss. Especially, with Lane retiring. This is turning into a nightmare because of one clown.

Remember our conversation where I said they could take a step back this year and you might pay the piper this year as opposed to down the road. Feels like that might occur.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Thats not what was actually reported elsewhere. That was someone's embellishment of the story. To be honest, its all alarmist BS. The most realistic scenario here is that Stout recognized that his run game doesnt fit the new offense very well and didnt feel like starting all over a. trying to make it fit with the new OC, and b. trying to make it work with the cripples we have on the OL. Likely saw it as the right time to step away, while the OL is no longer elite.

That's the most realistic scenario when we know Nick is inept with offenses and so was his buddy that he hired? The guy said he had ideas and Nick didn't listen which makes sense because he's stubborn as hell. At the same time Vic wants to retire.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Remember our conversation where I said they could take a step back this year and you might pay the piper this year as opposed to down the road. Feels like that might occur.

Looks like you were right. Sadly, Nick is still here.

Guys... Stoutland is not in this business to move up the ranks. Hes a career OL coach. It doesnt help or hurt his resume to have the title of run game coordinator, or not have that title. Can he get fired up in the midst of a miserable offensive season like we had last year? Sure. But hes been through them before. Has seen coaches demoted, titles stripped, fired, etc. He knows the business. And he sounds like he still feels like an eagle for life. To buy the media alarmist narrative that its all turmoil and he was run out by Siri is idiotic.

Its the new offense and the state of our OL health... Its not a click baity story for the media. But use your own brains, and logic...

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not really... a lot of it is completely imagined BS.

Every bit of smoke related to his complete coaching malpractice this season is deserved. There's no real argument against it, he hired patullo. He refused to remove playcalling from patullo after being laughed at by the entirety of the league and league media all season long for running a pop warner offense. He allowed two broken OL to play every week despite being a detrimental to the team. He sucks and is the main reason we arent playing for a super bowl on sunday

1 minute ago, devpool said:

Every bit of smoke related to his complete coaching malpractice this season is deserved. There's no real argument against it, he hired patullo. He refused to remove playcalling from patullo after being laughed at by the entirety of the league and league media all season long for running a pop warner offense. He allowed two broken OL to play every week despite being a detrimental to the team. He sucks and is the main reason we arent playing for a super bowl on sunday

main reasons are Patullo, Hurts, OL health, and Barkley.

I get blaming Siri for the Patullo hire. Its also revisionist history whey most everyone cried for stability for Hurts. As such, Patullo made the most sense at the time.

@just relax

With all this news over run game fit, I pose a question...we seem to have favored giant behemoths for OL the past few years. Knowing what you know about Shanahan/McVey schemes, do our current OL fit the same prototypes with their offensive lines...or will there need to be an overhaul? I can see the potential for this getting messy pretty quickly...

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Guys... Stoutland is not in this business to move up the ranks. Hes a career OL coach. It doesnt help or hurt his resume to have the title of run game coordinator, or not have that title. Can he get fired up in the midst of a miserable offensive season like we had last year? Sure. But hes been through them before. Has seen coaches demoted, titles stripped, fired, etc. He knows the business. And he sounds like he still feels like an eagle for life. To buy the media alarmist narrative that its all turmoil and he was run out by Siri is idiotic.

Its the new offense and the state of our OL health... Its not a click baity story for the media. But use your own brains, and logic...

Here is what we do know. Nick demoted Stout but sure as hell didn't demote his buddy KP who absolutely deserved it. He's a clown.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Here is what we do know. Nick demoted Stout but sure as hell didn't demote his buddy KP who absolutely deserved it. He's a clown.

No we dont know that. And that is incorrect.

It needs to be underscored a million times: Sirianni is not a good schemer. He’s not even all that smart at understanding where the offense needs to be (he was ultra pass first when he called the plays, after 2023 he stupidly said the offense didn’t need to evolve but get better at what they were already good at, etc.)

That’s the concern with hiring a first-time playcaller because if things start slowly, can he stay disciplined enough to admit this? Can he let Mannion and Grizzard work through potential growing pains?

What Sirianni needs to do is have an open door to his office for players to communicate with him and to just play hundreds of games of Madden to get better at understanding game theory, fourth down decisions, end of half management etc. He was absolutely pathetic at this in 2025, and hasn’t been all that great at it at any point really.

Sucks that Stoutland is stepping back. I don't know all the dynamics and really all we can do is speculate. Getting demoted as run game coordinator wasn't a good sign. It stood at to me all year that the run game and pass game never meshed which, of course, points to Patullo as the OC. Part 1 of the convention between Stout and Patullo/Sirianni offense.

Another thing to stood out to me is that kept trotting out half crippled and ineffective Jurgens and Dickerson all season when there were healthy options. Toth had a rough start at OG but really played well with practice as the starter at OC. How he wasn't a better option than Jurgens who played horribly all year I have no idea. But, someone made that call and the buck stops with Nick.

Maybe that was something that Stoutland was not being heard about? I trust Stoutland over Nick thats for sure and I'm almost certain that he watched how those guys were moving and knew they weren't up to what they were asking them to do. And dont even get me started on Calcaterra. That was evidence of pure stupidity how they kept asking him to do something that he clearly has no ability to do. Stout probably steamed over watching that time after time destroy blocking schemes.

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Looks like you were right. Sadly, Nick is still here.

I felt it was more because they were gonna have to have some sort of take a step back year/soft reset like they did in 2021. That soft reset of 2021 helped spring board them in to 2022 through 2025. I kind of think the same thing at some point in time they were going to have to happen for them again. So if Lane was going to retire, you were going to trade AJ Brown and rolling with young coaches on the offensive side of the ball who are learning and going to have growing pains then it starts looking like this year.

I don’t think they’re gonna be bad. I just kind of think the expectations of being the top tier Super Bowl contender is probably not as likely as it may look in 2027 when they have lore flexibility, have enough experience with the coaching and have everything in place to make a jump back to that top tier contender.

2 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Sucks that Stoutland is stepping back. I don't know all the dynamics and really all we can do is speculate. Getting demoted as run game coordinator wasn't a good sign. It stood at to me all year that the run game and pass game never meshed which, of course, points to Patullo as the OC. Part 1 of the convention between Stout and Patullo/Sirianni offense.

Another thing to stood out to me is that kept trotting out half crippled and ineffective Jurgens and Dickerson all season when there were healthy options. Toth had a rough start at OG but really played well with practice as the starter at OC. How he wasn't a better option than Jurgens who played horribly all year I have no idea. But, someone made that call and the buck stops with Nick.

Maybe that was something that Stoutland was not being heard about? I trust Stoutland over Nick thats for sure and I'm almost certain that he watched how those guys were moving and knew they weren't up to what they were asking them to do. And dont even get me started on Calcaterra. That was evidence of pure stupidity how they kept asking him to do something that he clearly has no ability to do. Stout probably steamed over watching that time after time destroy blocking schemes.

How was there not a single damn person of power in the organization who could recognize that our TEs couldn’t block? Not even Goedert could block. Maybe it was more that he wouldn’t. Remember his pathetic effort when lined up at FB? He couldn’t have tried less.

23 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The run game was actually a huge problem. We cant pretend that didnt happen. Sorry.

Yes, due to Landon and Jurgens being injured all year long, a downgrade at RG and eventually Lane also going out.

58 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

tell your dad to ask if he wants to coach OL for the eagles.

Seems like he left at some point in the last year. I asked my dad to ask him what he thought of Howie a few years ago and it wasn’t great, so I doubt him coming back.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It needs to be underscored a million times: Sirianni is not a good schemer. He’s not even all that smart at understanding where the offense needs to be (he was ultra pass first when he called the plays, after 2023 he stupidly said the offense didn’t need to evolve but get better at what they were already good at, etc.)

That’s the concern with hiring a first-time playcaller because if things start slowly, can he stay disciplined enough to admit this? Can he let Mannion and Grizzard work through potential growing pains?

What Sirianni needs to do is have an open door to his office for players to communicate with him and to just play hundreds of games of Madden to get better at understanding game theory, fourth down decisions, end of half management etc. He was absolutely pathetic at this in 2025, and hasn’t been all that great at it at any point really.

Yup....my biggest concern and should be the easiest fix is a complete systematic and collaborative approach to game planning.

And..as an added bonus I would recommend a weekly sit down at the end of the week with Fangio for an hour or two. Both sides should conduct a simulation where the offense lays out its best designs and Fangio explains to them how he would counter their plays and formations, and then vice versa. It is a great way to pick brains and conceptualize best schemes....there would be. a lot of learning...

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Seems like he left at some point in the last year. I asked my dad to ask him what he thought of Howie a few years ago and it wasn’t great, so I doubt him coming back.

yeah screw that guy then. I side with Howie over him.

11 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Hopefully not a sign that King is leaving.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Hopefully not a sign that King is leaving.

That’s what I took from this also

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

This seems random. Unless he’s the new AHC and they’re dumping Singleton.

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

main reasons are Patullo, Hurts, OL health, and Barkley.

I get blaming Siri for the Patullo hire. Its also revisionist history whey most everyone cried for stability for Hurts. As such, Patullo made the most sense at the time.

There were a ton of people in here crapping on the patullo hire when it happened. It made zero sense to hire a guy who never called plays before and has no offensive plan of his own. They gave Ferrari keys to a 15 year old who just got his permit and had never driven a manual.

Sirianni can also he blamed for the OL health. He had a healthy OC replacement in Toth (and maybe even kendall) and continued to trot jurgens out there week after week despite being an absolute liability. That way instead of 2 broken OL right next to each other, you just have Dickerson. And maybe you put Kendall at C and Toth at LG. He tried nothing and just let 2 dudes be awful all year.

Barkley wasn't as good as last year and never was going to be, but the guy was getting hit in the backfield on like 80% of his runs due to the above paragraph. Idk what you expected him to do.

Hurts sucked, yea. I feel at least half of that is also Patullo. You have a QB who struggles with certain things, and they did nothing to help him. No crossers, a billion hitches, zero playcalling flow, no designed rollouts.

Everything boils down to sirianni at the end of the day

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hopefully not a sign that King is leaving.

Wonder if anyone is following Parker