3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

How was there not a single damn person of power in the organization who could recognize that our TEs couldn’t block? Not even Goedert could block. Maybe it was more that he wouldn’t. Remember his pathetic effort when lined up at FB? He couldn’t have tried less.

Boggles the mind. Drove me crazy all year watching the definition of insanity.

I do think that particular play was a cluster and Goerdert was like seriously we are running this idiotic play. Ugh.

Goerdert will probably be back as he was a monster in the red zone and it actually saves us cap room to extend him. Besides that, they need a complete revamp of the TE room.

Just now, devpool said:

There were a ton of people in here crapping on the patullo hire when it happened. It made zero sense to hire a guy who never called plays before and has no offensive plan of his own. They gave Ferrari keys to a 15 year old who just got his permit and had never driven a manual.

Sirianni can also he blamed for the OL health. He had a healthy OC replacement in Toth (and maybe even kendall) and continued to trot jurgens out there week after week despite being an absolute liability. That way instead of 2 broken OL right next to each other, you just have Dickerson. And maybe you put Kendall at C and Toth at LG. He tried nothing and just let 2 dudes be awful all year.

Barkley wasn't as good as last year and never was going to be, but the guy was getting hit in the backfield on like 80% of his runs due to the above paragraph. Idk what you expected him to do.

Hurts sucked, yea. I feel at least half of that is also Patullo. You have a QB who struggles with certain things, and they did nothing to help him. No crossers, a billion hitches, zero playcalling flow, no designed rollouts.

Everything boils down to sirianni at the end of the day

Of course nobody wanted Patullo. I said that for all of the people who wanted stability for Hurts, he made the most sense.

Everything boiling down the the HC something you can literally always say about any situation. It is a copout.

23 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It was mentioned roughly a thousand times that the run game was not married to the pass game. That happened both under Stoutland’s watch and after he was no longer the RGC.

How does that happen? I’m not sure. How can the passing game and run game coordinator and offensive coordinator not hammer this out? Maybe Stoutland lost his fastball? Maybe he was unwilling to change what he thought was best to worsen the run game (in his eyes) to fit with the passing game and thought it should work vice versa? That’s what makes the reports of Sirianni and Patullo tinkering with the run game so odd. This couldn’t b hashed out with Stout? Neither Sirianni nor Patullo has some kind of expertise in the run game. Hell, they don’t even have any expertise in the passing game.

Lost his fastball? Disagree with this post.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Of course nobody wanted Patullo. I said that for all of the people who wanted stability for Hurts, he made the most sense.

Everything boiling down the the HC is a copout for literally everyone else...

It's his team, at any point he could have directed patullo/stoutland to sit jurgens and Dickerson. He could have directed less hitches and more crossers, and if patullo refused he could have stripped playcalling duties from him. He could have done things a HC is expected to do, and he didn't. That's how it works, the person leading the team gets blamed when things suck. Burden of leadership and all that.

Everyone else is getting their blame, though Patullo hasn't gotten enough since he hasn't been fired yet.

8 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Yes, due to Landon and Jurgens being injured all year long, a downgrade at RG and eventually Lane also going out.

This is 100% correct.

Which is why I cringe when I hear people say we wasted this year with the most talented roster in the NFL. This was not the case especially with the O-line in the state it was all year.

Just now, ManuManu said:

I get that NIL money is attractive for the majority of players. But for Champliss to be in this draft class with basically no QBs, he is sure to be a high pick. In a better QB class, possibly next year, he may be further down the rankings.

It might be better for him to get the NFL contract as a higher 1st round pick this year rather than 1 more year of NIL money and potentially being a later pick next year.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I get that NIL money is attractive for the majority of players. But for Champliss to be in this draft class with basically no QBs, he is sure to be a high pick. In a better QB class, possibly next year, he may be further down the rankings.

It might be better for him to get the NFL contract as a higher 1st round pick this year rather than 1 more year of NIL money and potentially being a later pick next year.

A first-round pick?

20 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Curios under what. This is a case of a coach in Bobby King seemingly coming in and improving a weakness that lasted for decades. I don’t know who on the defensive side would or should be let go.

Just now, devpool said:

It's his team, at any point he could have directed patullo/stoutland to sit jurgens and Dickerson. He could have directed less hitches and more crossers, and if patullo refused he could have stripped playcalling duties from him. He could have done things a HC is expected to do, and he didn't. That's how it works, the person leading the team gets blamed when things suck. Burden of leadership and all that.

Everyone else is getting their blame, though Patullo hasn't gotten enough since he hasn't been fired yet.

This is circular as it was discussed weeks and weeks ago. Had he done those things, he would still receive backlash for stepping on toes of those guys he hired. There is literally no satisfying this fanbase once they decided they didnt like his introductory press conference. He can do no right. Im not entertaing the coulda shoulda. I know the truth is that it would have changed no one's opinion.

You also have no idea whether and to what extent he took any responsibility from Patullo. Media speculated that did happen. However, fans wanted him fired in season, and also decried the turmoil of firing Desai in season (which they also wanted). So again, Siri can literally do no right for many of you guys...

Interesting thought?

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

A first-round pick?

in this draft hes QB2. So, very likely.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

The Eagles are basically willing to uproot a massive chunk of the organization to adopt the Shanahan offense, but aren’t even willing to fire the head coach to bring in a long term fixture who can truly run that offense. This thing is being pieced together so awkwardly. They want to run the Shanahan scheme… a scheme the head coach doesn’t even run. So they brought in a rookie OC with 2 years of coaching experience as the guy to do it because no one else wanted the job. So does that mean if Daboll took the job(who doesn’t use the Shanahan offense) then Stoutland would have been back? This feels like Lurie and Howie are just flying by the seat if their pants.

You know, something people don't think about is this: the head coach doesn't call plays on defense either. If the HC has a defensive background no one expects them to have an offensive scheme, they hire the OC to run it.

So there are likely 2 ways this goes:

1. It works, Siri focuses on CEO/HC duties. Mannion & Grizzard stay or Mannion leaves & Grizzard becomes OC.

2. It doesn't work, but they think it's because of Nick who they fire, promote Mannion to HC, Grizzard to OC.

Less likely 3rd option: fire Mannion, keep Siri, promote Grizzard or hire yet another OC

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It needs to be underscored a million times: Sirianni is not a good schemer. He’s not even all that smart at understanding where the offense needs to be (he was ultra pass first when he called the plays, after 2023 he stupidly said the offense didn’t need to evolve but get better at what they were already good at, etc.)

That’s the concern with hiring a first-time playcaller because if things start slowly, can he stay disciplined enough to admit this? Can he let Mannion and Grizzard work through potential growing pains?

What Sirianni needs to do is have an open door to his office for players to communicate with him and to just play hundreds of games of Madden to get better at understanding game theory, fourth down decisions, end of half management etc. He was absolutely pathetic at this in 2025, and hasn’t been all that great at it at any point really.

Sirianni is the biggest problem with the organization. Everything they are suffering from in some shape or form goes back to him and how he is an offensive coach that has no idea how to spearhead a functional modern NFL offense.

-Every year is a game of musical chairs with the OC. They have to start the process over.

-Outside coaches don't think highly of Sirianni, so the fear of him being canned leads to fewer candidates wanting the Eagles OC jobs

-Offense has underachieved in some shape or form every year sans 2022, leading to players being frustrated, coaching turmoil.

-It's harder to evaluate the QB given the offensive turnover every year, and not having one functional offense Hurts could have played in over a period of years. This affects their ability to decide future moves at the position

-His antics likely alienate others and turn people off

Getting that offensive mastermind as your head coach would solve so many problems. More continuity between coach, system, and QB, less of a reliance on coordinators, ability to overcome other coaching losses without having to worry about redoing a new system with a new offensive coach every year, etc.

I hope Lurie sees this soon. Maybe Mannion is that guy, but it's clear Sirianni has no future here if they want a smooth running operation.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

This is 100% correct.

Which is why I cringe when I hear people say we wasted this year with the most talented roster in the NFL. This was not the case especially with the O-line in the state it was all year.

Sure maybe not most talented, but easily a super bowl calibre team. The problem was we had pop warner coaching on offense, the season was wasted. Especially considering that lane is probably done even if he doesn't want to be, AJ is likely gone after this season (if he's even here for this season), goeddert may be gone, saquon one year older. The talent level on offense is possibly about to decrease dramatically

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

in this draft hes QB2. So, very likely.

Maybe. But he very likely didn’t get that kind of feedback from the NFL.

Just now, ManuManu said:

Maybe. But he very likely didn’t get that kind of feedback from the NFL.

Yeah, I guess not if he wanted to go back to college.

But, this might work out better for him.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This is circular as it was discussed weeks and weeks ago. Had he done those things, he would still receive backlash for stepping on toes of those guys he hired. There is literally no satisfying this fanbase once they decided they didnt like his introductory press conference. He can do no right. Im not entertaing the coulda shoulda. I know the truth is that it would have changed no one's opinion.

You also have no idea whether and to what extent he took any responsibility from Patullo. Media speculated that did happen. However, fans wanted him fired in season, and also decried the turmoil of firing Desai in season (which they also wanted). So again, Siri can literally do no right for many of you guys...

What idiot would cry about him "stepping on the toes" of people who are failing at their jobs? He would get backlash for 2 weeks until the offense looked better and those idiots realized those things needed to be done. Especially considering the entire fanbase was calling for patullo's head from week 4 on, who would have been complaining about it?

He can't do right because he's a buffoon, not because the fans are mean. You know he did nothing to patullo because the offense looked the exact same from week 1 to week 18, every metric available shows it.

I knew I would be in the vast minority with this take but I am perfectly ok with this. I say this time and time on this board and it's something that a lot of people don't seem to grasp. More than one thing can be true at the same time. Stoutland is a great OL coach, but it was time to move on.

For one thing, other than Becton, when was the last time Stoutland developed someone under the radar into a great OL? Jurgens and Dickerson were high draft picks. They have drafted SEVERAL guys on day three the last few years and the talk always was "they will go to Stoutland U and become good players" and it hasn't happened. Keegan, McMahon, Kendall, Hinton, Williams, etc. They haven't even gotten high level backups out of any of these guys. Steen was a fairly high pick in 2022 and if we are being perfectly honest he is a high level backup who hasn't really developed. Green was a former first round pick and everyone just assumed Stoutland would turn him into the next Becton and he didn't even make the team. My point is, Stoutland is a great OL coach but he isn't the miracle worker people have made him out to be and perhaps the game is passing him by a bit. Which leads me to my next point...

.....It should be crystal clear based on this, and based on the hires of Mannion and Grizzard that this offense is going to look completely different in 2026 and beyond and it was time. If that means we need an OL coach with experience in the Shanahan/McVay run schemes / the willingness to adapt than so be it. At the same time IF Hurts and/or Sirianni doesn't adjust and adapt to that they will be next. The offense became stagnant in recent years and was bailed out by a historic season by an all time great RB and everything just kind of falling into place. It's time for change, for the offense and organization to adapt, etc.

Also I don't care if it's Mannion or a big name guy, you can't bring in a new OC and say we want to run a new scheme and adapt and you can run your own offense, but you need to keep this OL coach who also wants to be the run game coordinator and do things his way. That just doesn't work. This doesn't mean losing Stoutland will work out but if they are going to commit to a real change to the offense this is necessary and I would be willing to bet this is more about the team wanting to go in a different direction than Stoutland choosing to walk away, no matter what is said out of respect for him.

Just now, devpool said:

What idiot would cry about him "stepping on the toes" of people who are failing at their jobs? He would get backlash for 2 weeks until the offense looked better and those idiots realized those things needed to be done. Especially considering the entire fanbase was calling for patullo's head from week 4 on, who would have been complaining about it?

He can't do right because he's a buffoon, not because the fans are mean. You know he did nothing to patullo because the offense looked the exact same from week 1 to week 18, every metric available shows it.

Youre not being honest here...

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sirianni is the biggest problem with the organization. Everything they are suffering from in some shape or form goes back to him and how he is an offensive coach that has no idea how to spearhead a functional modern NFL offense.

-Every year is a game of musical chairs with the OC. They have to start the process over.

-Outside coaches don't think highly of Sirianni, so the fear of him being canned leads to fewer candidates wanting the Eagles OC jobs

-Offense has underachieved in some shape or form every year sans 2022, leading to players being frustrated, coaching turmoil.

-It's harder to evaluate the QB given the offensive turnover every year, and not having one functional offense Hurts could have played in over a period of years. This affects their ability to decide future moves at the position

-His antics likely alienate others and turn people off

Getting that offensive mastermind as your head coach would solve so many problems. More continuity between coach, system, and QB, less of a reliance on coordinators, ability to overcome other coaching losses without having to worry about redoing a new system with a new offensive coach every year, etc.

I hope Lurie sees this soon. Maybe Mannion is that guy, but it's clear Sirianni has no future here if they want a smooth running operation.

He should never have been allowed back after the 2023 collapse...never. I said it then and I still say it now...that type of collapse is not like a collective case of the "yips". That was a complete systemic failure on all levels impacting all units. To this day, there has never been even a whiff of an explanation for what transpired to cause that. What I can speculate is that the "brain trust" took over the hiring authority for the OC and brought in Moore. As far as I am concerned, the collapse was directly the fault of Sirianni losing the locker room...his only responsibility is to maintain culture and he utterly failed...that is on him and the Eagles are still paying the price for letting him stay.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Grasping....

Does Les think someone isnt thankful for what they call their greatest privilege?

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Running a new scheme is important. Didn’t seem like he was onboard with that. The league is filled with new running schemes

I couldn't agree more. The offense needs to adapt and change and any new OC should have the ability to bring in their own run game coordinator. Stoutland the OL coach was great, but was Stoutland the run game coordinator great? I'm not sure but it didn't look good last year and it was more than just injuries to the OL. Too many runs directly up the middle, too much GC lead blocking, etc. We will never know just how much was play calling versus Stoutland's scheme, versus OL injuries, etc but everyone has/had a part in it. I don't blame Stoutland for not wanting to be demoted, but I also don't blame the Eagles for essentially choosing to go in a different direction by giving him the ultimatum. It may work, it may not but I can't stress enough how overdue real change was to this offense and sometimes to make real changes difficult decisions have to be made and executed.