Just now, Diehardfan said:

That is a good point. The entire thing feels off.

My point more or less is that it was just a tweet to the fans announcing his departure. Les was reading too much into it.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

If they make the playoffs next year he’s unlikely to be fired but it’s more about trajectory. If the team is worse than this year and it looks like they need a different OC then he’s more likely to go. If Mannion struggles some but they win 10 or 11 and the feeling is they are going in the right direction then he won’t.

Thats where we disagree. If the Eagles make the playoffs but don’t win a game I think he’s absolutely toast. If they make the playoffs and win a game, but they win it because of the defense and the offense sucks, then I think he’s still toast. Basically for Sirianni to keep his job, I think the offense needs to be vastly improved, he had to show willingness to concede and defer to the new coaches and system, situational decisions need to be on point, and they need to win playoff games. At least if you believe what the beat guys have been saying. That he’s basically on the hot seat. A coach being on the hot seat one year after winning a Super Bowl is wild. But there’s a reason why he supposedly is.

I’m fascinated that the 2 possible QB coach names that got floated today were a 30 yo wunderkind who was around for the Jacoby Brissett gunslinger stretch last year and Jon Gruden’s boi who’s been coaching NFL QBs since Dubya’s 1st term.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Thats where we disagree. If the Eagles make the playoffs but don’t win a game I think he’s absolutely toast. If they make the playoffs and win a game, but they win it because of the defense and the offense sucks, then I think he’s still toast. Basically for Sirianni to keep his job, I think the offense needs to be vastly improved, he had to show willingness to concede and defer to the new coaches and system, situational decisions need to be on point, and they need to win playoff games. At least if you believe what the beat guys have been saying. That he’s basically on the hot seat. A coach being on the hot seat one year after winning a Super Bowl is wild. But there’s a reason why he supposedly is.

I think if he wins a playoff game, he’s gonna be back for 2027. I don’t care how he won it but I think he’d be back. To me one of the biggest thing with Howie and lurie is looking for is what does this offense look like. Because if the offense is high-powered and looking awesome in 2026, but they go 7–10 because the defense has a bunch of injuries and they can’t stop anybody then I think he’s gonna be back in 2027.

However, if this team offensively again is towards the bottom of the league and that’s the reason they regress or about the same then I think better chance he gets fired. Cause you’re not gonna just fire the OC again and hope that you get another OC that can fix the offense. Can’t see them bringing back an OC for year 2 if it’s as bad as it was in 2026.

To me, wins and losses clearly matter, however i think lurie knows winning a SB every year isn’t happening. but the thing that’s probably drives Jeffrey Lurie insane is the money and investment that he put into this offense for it to be a bottom 10 offense. It’d be one thing if you just don’t win a Super Bowl or you don’t advance far in the playoffs, but it’s another that you don’t advance in the playoffs and your offense played the way it did this year with the amount of investment he and Howie have put into it

Just absolutely awful news of losing Stout. He's the greatest position coach and teacher of football of his generation.

I don't mind moving in a new direction, but then why the half-measure? If Howie and Lurie want the Shanahan offense, then clean house and get you a HC who can implement that offense by accumulating personnel over a few seasons.

Keeping Nick makes no sense: you have a new OC, a new OL Coach, a new QB coach, a new pass game coordinator, and a new run game coordinator, but you keep the bumbling offensive HC? WTF!

Stout is a legend here and deserves all the praise, but the Eagles will be okay without him. There are other awesome OL coaches. And I'm not sure he was the right fit for this team considering the direction the offense seems to be heading.

49 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not going to give Sirianni credit for "trying” to fix the offense. The job is to actually fix it, and he failed miserably.

And he very clearly didn't do anything besides take run game coordinator away from stoutland, which made the offense worse. The problem was the offense as a whole, and primarily the passing game. His "try" was half assed

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Stout is a legend here and deserves all the praise, but the Eagles will be okay without him. There are other awesome OL coaches. And I'm not sure he was the right fit for this team considering the direction the offense seems to be heading.

Any awesome OL coaches who don’t happen to be under contract?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Any awesome OL coaches who don’t happen to be under contract?

Part of me wonders if they look at the college level.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Any awesome OL coaches who don’t happen to be under contract?

We'll find someone. Didn't more than half of the league just hire new OCs?

The Loeffler parting is kind of weird to me. Especially if we’re to believe that he played a significant role in the red zone offense, which was the only bright spot on the offense this year.

This really does feel like they’re giving Mannion significant input into how the offense is staffed and run. I do think the theory that they view him as a potential HC down the line if they move on from Nick has legs, but I don’t know how that works if this team is winning 12 games. Because you can’t let Nick go if that’s the case and the offense is probably one very good season away from Mannion getting a HC job in the next cycle.

If they win the division again next year and get bounced in the first round, they might have to make a decision to keep Mannion or Nick. But what’s the cutoff for success might be the better question for Nick to save his job with them being comfortable to let Mannion walk.

46 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

It was. He will play well for them and the 76ers got a pick if they use they won't get as good of a player. Beyond stupid.

Seems like it was all about getting under the tax threshold. Only silver lining is Harris inept and the Commanders will be too.

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The Loeffler parting is kind of weird to me. Especially if we’re to believe that he played a significant role in the red zone offense, which was the only bright spot on the offense this year.

This really does feel like they’re giving Mannion significant input into how the offense is staffed and run. I do think the theory that they view him as a potential HC down the line if they move on from Nick has legs, but I don’t know how that works if this team is winning 12 games. Because you can’t let Nick go if that’s the case and the offense is probably one very good season away from Mannion getting a HC job in the next cycle.

The Shanny-McVay offense is far more timing based than Hurts has been used to. He needs to have everything synced up with footwork and where to have his eyes in a progression-read passing game. It makes sense that Mannion, a former QB and QB coach, wants someone who sees it the same and can teach it the same way.

That said, I’m bummed he’s going too, although maybe he will stay on in some other role…

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Seems like it was all about getting under the tax threshold. Only silver lining is Harris inept and the Commanders will be too.

Trading a kid with potential for basically what it cost to get him outside of useless 2nd round picks was the only way? I have no problem if they wanted to move him but get something good or hold him until you do. He was on his way to ROY and was starting to play better. That organization sucks. Horrible move to save money.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is well said, and a major concern for me as well. We’ve already thrown the "let’s do the Shanahan” thing against the wall in 2020 and it blew up in our face. Now we’re jumping into it with both feet.

My hope with them hiring Mannion instead of a Bobby Slowik type is that they think he can develop his own identity and kinda pull from all these influences but not try to copy-paste any of them.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Trading a kid with potential for basically what it cost to get him outside of useless 2nd round picks was the only way? I have no problem if they wanted to move him but get something good or hold him until you do. He was on his way to ROY and was starting to play better. That organization sucks. Horrible move to save money.

Couldn't agree more.

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think if he wins a playoff game, he’s gonna be back for 2027. I don’t care how he won it but I think he’d be back. To me one of the biggest thing with Howie and lurie is looking for is what does this offense look like. Because if the offense is high-powered and looking awesome in 2026, but they go 7–10 because the defense has a bunch of injuries and they can’t stop anybody then I think he’s gonna be back in 2027.

However, if this team offensively again is towards the bottom of the league and that’s the reason they regress or about the same then I think better chance he gets fired. Cause you’re not gonna just fire the OC again and hope that you get another OC that can fix the offense. Can’t see them bringing back an OC for year 2 if it’s as bad as it was in 2026.

To me, wins and losses clearly matter, however i think lurie knows winning a SB every year isn’t happening. but the thing that’s probably drives Jeffrey Lurie insane is the money and investment that he put into this offense for it to be a bottom 10 offense. It’d be one thing if you just don’t win a Super Bowl or you don’t advance far in the playoffs, but it’s another that you don’t advance in the playoffs and your offense played the way it did this year with the amount of investment he and Howie have put into it

If they truly believed in Sirianni, then being only two years removed from winning a SB there should be next to nothing he could do to get fired. Like... if the Rams miss the playoffs next season, do you think he'd be fired in 2027? Or even be on the hot seat? Same with the Niners. Would Shanahan be fired or on the hot seat in 2027? And he's never won a Super Bowl. The fact that Sirianni is already on the hot seat headed into 2026 speaks volumes about how they think about him. If they viewed him as a special coach, he wouldn't be.

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

HonestNFL has been pretty critical of the Eagles decision making over the past year when it comes to coaches and he's often been proven right. I actually think that is one area the Eagles have struggled. Especially with assistants. They've not done well replacing them. Even dating back to Reid, they struggled to find a DC to replace Jim Johnson when he died, they struggled to replace coordinators along the way. I think Doug and Sirianni's success as head coaches is greatly boosted by Howie being great at his job and having guys like Stoutland on his staff. And for Sirianni, having Fangio.

If Howie has a regression year in picking talent, and you remove Stoutland, and eventually Fangio, I think the bloom with Sirianni is going to come off the rose rather quickly. And I think it's too early to declare one way or the other, but something about this whole offseason has smelled off from day one. Things are starting to feel toxic and that not everything is buttoned up down there. Fangio almost retiring taking them by surprise, it doesn't appear the Eagles were prepared to lose Stoutland either, they were unable to get the OCs they wanted. Now there are some preliminary signs if HonestNFL's assessment is correct, that they're so desperate for that Shanahan scheme that they're kinda just trying to throw it together on a whim, it does feel like it's being done a little recklessly. I mean, if they planned to hire Daboll who doesn't even run that scheme, then this was a major pivot on their part. It's not like they came into the offseason with Mannion and Grizzard as their top choices and have planned this out for months.

Obviously, a long offseason to go here, but I don't think it's unfair to say that at a minimum, it's been a little bit since the organization has felt like it wasn't buttoned up to this degree. I think it's very far from reeking, but let's just say something is starting to smell. In the coming weeks we'll see if that smell passes or if it gets even stinkier.

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

People are ignoring the personnel side of this because it's both more boring and more depressing, rather than talking about spicy drama.

You've got a HOF RT that is D-O-N-E, whether he chooses to retire or not. You've got an OC and LG who are getting paid like the pro-bowlers they once were...but may have career altering injuries. You have an offense completely built to rely on those 3 positions performing at an all-pro level. Now that Patullo is gone, the single biggest finger is being pointed at the OL as the reason the offense sucked.

Stout just may not think he has the horses to put together the kind of OL performance everyone expects from a Jeff Stoutland OL.

Same reason OC candidates were looking at an OL that has personnel in flux, a QB that doesnt run anymore but doesn't throw that well, and a WR1 that wants out. Amidst all this, there's some embedded insistence that this mess that peaked 1-3 years ago is actually the most talented offense in the NFL.

There's a personnel problem. It's not necessarily that everyone just hates each other and there's all this drama.

Yeah, I was thinking that Howie was going to do to the offense this season what he did to the defense, dump a bunch of veterans, eat dead money and go with kids.

The OL and Stout got them a couple rings, but last year they were below average run blocking, average pass blocking and maybe the most expensive OL in the NFL.

Jurgens and Dickinson are damaged goods, Lane is on one leg, and Mailata has made noises about not playing forever.

So if you're going to rebuild for a different blocking scheme/offense, this is a good time to blow it up and rebuild.

And if Stout got the impression this was going to happen, well if he was 53 he might ride with it, but at 63?

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If they truly believed in Sirianni, then being only two years removed from winning a SB there should be next to nothing he could do to get fired. Like... if the Rams miss the playoffs next season, do you think he'd be fired in 2027? Or even be on the hot seat? Same with the Niners. Would Shanahan be fired or on the hot seat in 2027? And he's never won a Super Bowl. The fact that Sirianni is already on the hot seat headed into 2026 speaks volumes about how they think about him. If they viewed him as a special coach, he wouldn't be.

HonestNFL has been pretty critical of the Eagles decision making over the past year when it comes to coaches and he's often been proven right. I actually think that is one area the Eagles have struggled. Especially with assistants. They've not done well replacing them. Even dating back to Reid, they struggled to find a DC to replace Jim Johnson when he died, they struggled to replace coordinators along the way. I think Doug and Sirianni's success as head coaches is greatly boosted by Howie being great at his job and having guys like Stoutland on his staff. And for Sirianni, having Fangio.

If Howie has a regression year in picking talent, and you remove Stoutland, and eventually Fangio, I think the bloom with Sirianni is going to come off the rose rather quickly. And I think it's too early to declare one way or the other, but something about this whole offseason has smelled off from day one. Things are starting to feel toxic and that not everything is buttoned up down there. Fangio almost retiring taking them by surprise, it doesn't appear the Eagles were prepared to lose Stoutland either, they were unable to get the OCs they wanted. Now there are some preliminary signs if HonestNFL's assessment is correct, that they're so desperate for that Shanahan scheme that they're kinda just trying to throw it together on a whim, it does feel like it's being done a little recklessly. I mean, if they planned to hire Daboll who doesn't even run that scheme, then this was a major pivot on their part. It's not like they came into the offseason with Mannion and Grizzard as their top choices and have planned this out for months.

Obviously, a long offseason to go here, but I don't think it's unfair to say that at a minimum, it's been a little bit since the organization has felt like it wasn't buttoned up to this degree. I think it's very far from reeking, but let's just say something is starting to smell. In the coming weeks we'll see if that smell passes or if it gets even stinkier.

The Rams and 49ers have coaches who bring real value. Nick brings an inflatable bunny.

The fans and the players on the team deserve an owner who only trades young talent to improve the team not their bottom line.

Well! Y'all wanted a new offense so badly, and you guys are absolutely getting it. But I believe I told you guys before that people might NOT react to these kind of drastic changes so kindly. You all can blame Nick if you want, and I'm certain you guys will, but the reality of the situation is when you demanded a new offense and wanted to get someone else to take over the offense, this kind of situation was always on the cards - the possibility that some people might not agree with the chances and be out. It's as simple as that.

Now of course somehow you guys will both decide the people who didn't want to stick around for the changes AND the people who decided not to come here (which happened before when they hired Nick AND Doug) are all leaving or not coming because everyone hates Nick just as much as you (they don't), but hey. These are the changes you guys asked for. Own them.

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

One thing I find interesting. Tim McManus said Stoutland felt his voice wasn’t heard. AJ Brown literally said his voice wasn’t heard. Not sure what that means if anything but it raises eyebrows.

How did we not see this before?? It all makes sense now!!

Jeff Stoutland was the driving force behind the AJ Brown tweets!!