"We are losing the best OC candidates because we don't want to let Stout go. Nick has too much control. Should have fired him!"

"SON OF A **** NICK FORCED STOUT OUT!! MANNION IS GETTING HIS OWN GUYS! SHOULD HAVE FIRED NICK!!!"

You guys are still making me laugh today.

23 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

"We are losing the best OC candidates because we don't want to let Stout go. Nick has too much control. Should have fired him!"

"SON OF A **** NICK FORCED STOUT OUT!! MANNION IS GETTING HIS OWN GUYS! SHOULD HAVE FIRED NICK!!!"

You guys are still making me laugh today.

So you somehow assume that we wouldn't be losing best HC candidates by forcing them Stout and in HC case also Vic?

3 minutes ago, Vlad67 said:

So you somehow assume that we wouldn't be losing best HC candidates by forcing them Stout and in HC case also Vic?

I implied no assumptions. I pointed out that the contradictions of themselves are funny.

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

"We are losing the best OC candidates because we don't want to let Stout go. Nick has too much control. Should have fired him!"

"SON OF A **** NICK FORCED STOUT OUT!! MANNION IS GETTING HIS OWN GUYS! SHOULD HAVE FIRED NICK!!!"

You guys are still making me laugh today.

Nick has a bad year and people say he just won a SB. The OL has one for a variety of reasons and it is time for Stout to go after winning 2 SBs and 13 years of being the goat.

He was replaced or let go as RGC while KP kept his calling responsibilities along with a story they didn't take his input.

That is a crap show.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Nick has a bad year and people say he just won a SB. The OL has one for a variety of reasons and it is time for Stout to go after winning 2 SBs and 13 years of being the goat.

He was replaced or let go as RGC while KP kept his calling responsibilities along with a story they didn't take his input.

That is a crap show.

He wasn’t stripped of RGC last year; he gave up the role because he didn’t feel like he was being treated as the RGC due to Sirianni and Patullo’s tweaks without conferring with him.

Can't watch the super bowl. I have no desire to see the stupid Pats in there again and no desire to see bad bunny at the half.

Oh and Belicheat you can stop crying about not making the hall. You guys were caught cheating more than once.

14 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Nick has a bad year and people say he just won a SB. The OL has one for a variety of reasons and it is time for Stout to go after winning 2 SBs and 13 years of being the goat.

He was replaced or let go as RGC while KP kept his calling responsibilities along with a story they didn't take his input.

That is a crap show.

That's not what the tweet you shared said happened. You guys are creating false narratives to support your sky is falling attitudes to support your Siri hate.

I've become a lot more relaxed about this team after winning two Super Bowls, and the continued success that they've achieved over the last 25 years. I would say I was more on the Pro than Anti Siranni side. But after the '23 collapse, Brian Johnson fiasco, not learning from that and repeating it with Patullo in '25 while pissing off Stoutland during the season, pissing off AJ to the point of quitting in games and basically allowing what could have been a potential 5 year run of Super Bowls fall into 1 Super Bowl victory.....yeah, I'm done with Siranni.

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I implied no assumptions. I pointed out that the contradictions of themselves are funny.

Actually I totally missed that somehow, my brain is in total slump today, my bad...

A Nick Sirianni and KP special

That marks the end of a great era of Eagles OL play. With Lane's time coming to an end and the uncertainty of Dickerson/Jurgens the Stout departure is the final straw. It will be interesting to see if Howie/Lurie continue to prioritize the OL as much as they have in the past in order to rebuild a top 3 NFL OL or if their thinking has changed. Three straight 2nd round picks in '21-'23 and then nothing in '24 or 25. The offseason will tell us a lot.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That's not what the tweet you shared said happened. You guys are creating false narratives to support your sky is falling attitudes to support your Siri hate.

We can still think Sirianni stinks while presenting the reports correctly. There’s plenty of reason to be really down on Nick.

10 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He's 63, old but not that old by NFL coaching standards. But yeah per that espn article it seems like he was upset about how things unfolded towards the end of the season and decided to just step away. I didn't see this coming, but hopefully they can rebound from it. The reason we won both of those rings was in large part due to how dominant our lines were. It's a lot of eggs in the Sean Mannion basket now.

Agreed

But change can be good, so let’s see what the dude puts together before we feel one way or the other

Get the interior OL healthy and get on about finding Lane’s heir. I will be curious how they all fit if its really going to be the Shanahan scheme

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

One thing I find interesting. Tim McManus said Stoutland felt his voice wasn’t heard. AJ Brown literally said his voice wasn’t heard. Not sure what that means if anything but it raises eyebrows.

It's weird that a coach would think that

Though to be honest his run game made no sense. He also trotted out guys hanging on by a thread instead of the healthy backups

Can only speculate who is at fault but both sides clearly had problems

I'm just waiting for the next bad news of Lane retiring and/or AJ openly calling to be traded

Gee I wonder why candidates were reluctant for this job. People jump ship when the OL coach leaves because his wanted control over something the OC typically has control over

40 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

A Nick Sirianni and KP special

No one who watched the games would claim the Eagles running game was good in the first half of the season

One last thing I'll say about the Stout news: he put together a rather large body of work over the years that demonstrated our OL could be successful in various offensive schemes. The narrative that he was married to only one is a bit disingenuous. Nudging him to the side, or ruffling feathers, or whatever happened to make him feel like his voice wasn't being heard is pretty shiddy if it was due to struggles in the run game from such a small sample size last season, especially when you factor in the injuries we had. But whatever, let's just hope the new OL coach is decent and move on, I guess.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Can't watch the super bowl. I have no desire to see the stupid Pats in there again and no desire to see bad bunny at the half.

Oh and Belicheat you can stop crying about not making the hall. You guys were caught cheating more than once.

I’m not sure that i can’t, but honestly i really don’t care this year. It’s super weird as well…with the forced issue by the media about the half time show, that’s the only publicity and talk the game is getting. At least last year there was the jokes that nobody likes either team, blah blah blah and constant talk about the 3 peat. This year, there’s literally nobody talking about the game itself. I’ll probably end up watching the puppy bowl with my daughter and then retreating to the man cave when my wife goes to sleep and playing video games haha.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

One last thing I'll say about the Stout news: he put together a rather large body of work over the years that demonstrated our OL could be successful in various offensive schemes. The narrative that he was married to only one is a bit disingenuous. Nudging him to the side, or ruffling feathers, or whatever happened to make him feel like his voice wasn't being heard is pretty shiddy if it was due to struggles in the run game from such a small sample size last season, especially when you factor in the injuries we had. But whatever, let's just hope the new OL coach is decent and move on, I guess.

IIRC when Siri was hired they coaxed him to stay with titles and additional responsibilities as he was thinking about possibly retiring (or going back to Bama). The past 5 years are essentially borrowed time from him IMO.

Chip f’d up a lot…but bringing him in and the RPO to the NFL with him was a good one.

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

IIRC when Siri was hired they coaxed him to stay with titles and additional responsibilities as he was thinking about possibly retiring (or going back to Bama). The past 5 years are essentially borrowed time from him IMO.

Chip f’d up a lot…but bringing him in and the RPO to the NFL with him was a good one.

Sure but if he ends up taking another coaching job elsewhere in the next couple years, then that seems to paint a different picture. I guess we'll see.

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Gee I wonder why candidates were reluctant for this job. People jump ship when the OL coach leaves because his wanted control over something the OC typically has control over

While overall I'm OK moving on, let's not pretend like Stoutland forced the FO to name him RGC.

I think what happened is that it was all working until it didn't, and then Nick panicked, Patullo didn't have the answers, and instead of working together they siloed themselves and it made it worse and worse.

I said a month or so ago that if they're going to keep Nick around, they need to develop him like they did with Howie. They invested time and resources into making Howie the GM he is today and they should do the same with Nick.

Clearly, him pouring over game film and schematics is not the answer. The need to work on his abilities to delegate and hold people accountable as a leader

Fans are always the problem according to some

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

One last thing I'll say about the Stout news: he put together a rather large body of work over the years that demonstrated our OL could be successful in various offensive schemes. The narrative that he was married to only one is a bit disingenuous. Nudging him to the side, or ruffling feathers, or whatever happened to make him feel like his voice wasn't being heard is pretty shiddy if it was due to struggles in the run game from such a small sample size last season, especially when you factor in the injuries we had. But whatever, let's just hope the new OL coach is decent and move on, I guess.

I think once our players and coaches were surprised at our lack of production from the offense, especially coming off a SB year, and one of the best rushing attacks ever seen, panic mode kind of set in, from multiple different people. From Howie/Lurie.......to then the players because they aren't getting the ball, no running lanes, offense only scores 13-17 PPG........then the coaches felt it, Patullo is catching flack, gets his house egged, the city wants him fired......this team even with injuries was in a funk most if not all throughout the year, the Giants game before the bye was the only time we felt like "okay here we go"......but then it died quickly and not to mention NY was not a great opponent to gauge off of.

I'm going to hold to my opinion that Howie and Lurie helped create this possible mess we could be facing (if Fangio retires). Nick should have never been allowed to make the decision to promote KP, they know damn well and good that Sirianni is best kept with keeping the team bought in and focused, not selecting coaches, coordinators and calling plays. You have/had a great DC that does not need hand holding, you trust him and let him run the defense. No reason to deviate from what helped us win.

Changing our scheme and style of play is not a bad thing for 2026, but it now feels like that it is needed because of the way things were mishandled coming off a SB run. I don't think any of these changes are detrimental to the future, but if not handled correctly again like last year, yea I could see this imploding. If I was a betting man I would think a good amount of our core players are sitting back like sheesh. They need to dial back in, accept the changes and hope that yes Fangio does come back for 2026.

5 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

One last thing I'll say about the Stout news: he put together a rather large body of work over the years that demonstrated our OL could be successful in various offensive schemes. The narrative that he was married to only one is a bit disingenuous. Nudging him to the side, or ruffling feathers, or whatever happened to make him feel like his voice wasn't being heard is pretty shiddy if it was due to struggles in the run game from such a small sample size last season, especially when you factor in the injuries we had. But whatever, let's just hope the new OL coach is decent and move on, I guess.

I think that article by Tim McManus makes the situation look worse. After reading it, and Adam Schefter saying he was alluding to this news coming out a week ago that around league circles people knew something was going on with Jeff Stoutland. I’m guessing McManus didn’t just write that article last minute and was sitting in this article if/when the stoutland news came out. Which I’m also guessing the source of that article was stoutland or someone close to Jeff stoutland cause i can’t imagine the eagles nor sirianni wanted some of those details out there. I can’t see the eagles/sirianni being thrilled that it came out he stripped himself of RGC due to feeling disrespected by sirianni not coming to him to discuss changes needing to be made in the run game after being there for years and putting together one of the most historic run games in nfl history just one year prior.

say whatever you want if I’m an OC candidate without any clout likeMike McDaniel and i hear/read that one of most well respected OL coaches in the nfl and been in the organization for over a decade feels like he was just pushed aside without discussion/confrontation then what’s going to happen if we struggle early in the season when implementing a new scheme? Am I going to just be pushed aside as it’s not working the way my HC wants without it even being discussed? That said don’t think it was just McManus and schefter having knowledge. Feels like Berman might have had some knowledge last week as he said he couldn’t reveal something and it didn’t sound like it was pertaining to Fangio