2 post in 7 hours:

20 hours ago, wussbasket said:

The more outside voices they bring in, I think the better. This is showing Mannion has a good amount of autonomy and hopefully we see a very different offense.

13 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

While its sad to see Stoutland go, we don't know the dynamics of the OC interviews nor whether there was a feeling the OL room was getting stale internally. 13 years in 1 club as OL Coach is a rare thing and it says a lot about the coach.

Howie alluded to change on O in the post season press conference and the O side of the ball is very much on the down side of a cresting wave, so nothing that happen should be a surprise. Giving an OC full control of their staff has to happen at some point. No HC coach buddies, holdovers. Net new

1 hour ago, NYEagle said:

I've become a lot more relaxed about this team after winning two Super Bowls, and the continued success that they've achieved over the last 25 years. I would say I was more on the Pro than Anti Siranni side. But after the '23 collapse, Brian Johnson fiasco, not learning from that and repeating it with Patullo in '25 while pissing off Stoutland during the season, pissing off AJ to the point of quitting in games and basically allowing what could have been a potential 5 year run of Super Bowls fall into 1 Super Bowl victory.....yeah, I'm done with Siranni.

...Can you explain to me just really quickly what the 5 years would have been? Like which 5 years?

55 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I will be curious how they all fit if its really going to be the Shanahan scheme

That's the thing though, this notion that Stout was on the outside looking in as soon as we decided to bring in a Shanahan disciple makes no sense. Shanahan and Kubiak were the godfathers of the zone blocking run game. The fact that some people (not necessarily you) are implying Stout couldn't make it work in a Shanahan based offense is just silly.

2022 (went to Super Bowl), 2023 - CRAPPED THE BED WITH BRIAN JOHNSON, 2024 - Won the Super Bowl, 2025 - CRAPPED THE BED WITH PATULLO, 2026 - Last year of window in my opinion with Lane, AJ, Fangio gone after this year

4 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

...Can you explain to me just really quickly what the 5 years would have been? Like which 5 years?

What you don't understand is just how easy it is for teams to win a Super Bowl. Apparently we failed 4 out of 5 times.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That's the thing though, this notion that Stout was on the outside looking in as soon as we decided to bring in a Shanahan disciple makes no sense. Shanahan and Kubiak were the godfathers of the zone blocking run game. The fact that some people (not necessarily you) are implying Stout couldn't make it work in a Shanahan based offense is just silly.

I dont think he couldnt. But maybe he didnt want to go back to the drawing board and redesign everything so that it would.

For 1, it was reported some OC coaches wanted their own OL coaches on staff. So apparently coaches think some guys can do it better than Stout.

Next, you have the report of the eagles tinkering, and Stout feeling that it no longer represented "his" run game so he didnt want to be RGC anymore. Strongly hints at an unwillingness to change.

Hes old and has done it this way for at least the last 13 years in philly so...

It really seems like he had no interest in remaking his run game to fit a new offense. He didnt leave the eagles mad about a demotion or anything. Reportedly he is staying in the organization. It seems like an amicable split to me but people are freaking over it making up sky is falling scenarios about why Siri should be fired.

In the end they didn't want him to be run game coordinator this year. If they did he'd probably be back.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

go back to the drawing board and redesign everything so that it would

Nah, I don't think it would be some big redesign at all. I'll defer to justrelax though, he's forgotten more about run blocking them I'll ever learn in a lifetime. If he says that the zone blocking we've been running under Stout is miles apart from what Shanahan and Kubiak ran, then I'll concede.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

In the end they didn't want him to be run game coordinator this year. If they did he'd probably be back.

Seemed like not many days ago this was being talked about as a positive- Stoutland stepped down as RGC to focus more on development of individuals.

Next thing, Stoutland says he is done coaching and everyone makes a completely new story about the dynamic to say Siri ran him out of town.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Nah, I don't think it would be some big redesign at all. I'll defer to justrelax though, he's forgotten more about run blocking them I'll ever learn in a lifetime. If he says that the zone blocking we've been running under Stout is miles apart from what Shanahan and Kubiak ran, then I'll concede.

I wonder myself why you see certain teams are outside zone teams, and other teams are inside zone teams. And, why cant a team just do both equally well, and in pretty even amounts?

WIthout knowing for sure, it does seem to me like the two concepts are different enough that teams get married to one concept or another.

Solak and Sheil brought up good points on the Philly Special podcast: The OL missed more assignments than ever in the run game this year and lots of OL coaches don’t like the use of motion in the run game.

To the first point, I wonder if that had to do with some of the tweaking to the run game and Stout’s voice not being heard.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Solak and Sheil brought up good points on the Philly Special podcast: The OL missed more assignments than ever in the run game this year and lots of OL coaches don’t like the use of motion in the run game.

To the first point, I wonder if that had to do with some of the tweaking to the run game and Stout’s voice not being heard.

People often use the term 'my voice isn't heard' when it really means 'you didn't do what I said'. The motion thing makes sense. If the Eagles (Lurie & Howie) are fancying more modern motion offenses then I can see the conflict. Maybe that's why if Daboll took job it's possible Stoutland stays

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wonder myself why you see certain teams are outside zone teams, and other teams are inside zone teams. And, why cant a team just do both equally well, and in pretty even amounts?

WIthout knowing for sure, it does seem to me like the two concepts are different enough that teams get married to one concept or another.

We might be looking to mix in more duo/gap/OZ… so a Neapolitan approach. I’m not saying Stout’s IZ scheming is vanilla but we might want to do more schematically to return to dominance.

On a completely unrelated note and this is not remotely meant to defend Bezos or the Washington Post but I find it ironic that the sports beat writers who work for the several start-ups meant to compete and draw eyeballs/money away from the Post sports are saying how horrible it is that the Post gave up on sports

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

In the end they didn't want him to be run game coordinator this year. If they did he'd probably be back.

I'm not so sure I like taking a guy that is a great positional coach, that is great at developing potential and getting results and giving him an additional role that, in essence, adds him to the chopping block when systems are failing to produce. I'd rather just overpay to keep him than make him feel important by adding a title and responsibility that can be taken away for whatever reason.

Very few fans want to see Stoutland leave, but virtually everybody recognizes that the run game didn't produce last year and was the biggest decline we saw on the team. We can blame KP, but he's already been replaced. Fans overwhelmingly seem to want drastic change on offense. Well ... this is how that begins. You bring in new voices and replace the old ones.

One way or another, we'll learn a lot about this team over the next year. Unity and loyalty are going to be tested.

Not that it matters at this point, but there were two slam dunk OL coaches who hit the open market: Bill Callahan and Dwayne Ledford. Callahan was snapped up by Atlanta and Ledford went to Baltimore.

It doesn’t mean we’re gonna end up with a bum, but it makes me less confident we’re landing a proven good OL coach.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

On a completely unrelated note and this is not remotely meant to defend Bezos or the Washington Post but I find it ironic that the sports beat writers who work for the several start-ups meant to compete and draw eyeballs/money away from the Post sports are saying how horrible it is that the Post gave up on sports

What start-ups other than The Athletic?

Just now, ManuManu said:

What start-ups other than The Athletic?

ringer, phly (not sure current people but Berman & Kimes are/were associated)

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im just choosing not to continue wasting time in circular discussions that happened repeatedly already over the course of the season. Its very obvious many of you will never be happy with anything Siri does, or doesnt do. And all of the stuff you are bringing up has already been beaten to death. The end.

Pot calling kettle. What you say of others regarding Sirianni applies to you regarding Hurts.

Just now, just relax said:

Pot calling kettle. What you say of others regarding Sirianni applies to you regarding Hurts.

The big difference is being on the correct side of both issues.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What start-ups other than The Athletic?

I’d say all city network too but it feels like that’s a ship that may be beginning to sink.

19 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wonder myself why you see certain teams are outside zone teams, and other teams are inside zone teams. And, why cant a team just do both equally well, and in pretty even amounts?

WIthout knowing for sure, it does seem to me like the two concepts are different enough that teams get married to one concept or another.

I think that's more a function of personnel than philosophy.

Interesting. Wonder if the former packers WR coach is coming to Philly. Ryan Mahaffey. I don’t recall seeing him fired.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Interesting. Wonder if the former packers WR coach is coming to Philly. Ryan Mahaffey. I don’t recall seeing him fired.

The packers WRs cant catch, so thatd be a bad look. Although, it shouldnt be up to a coach in the NFL to get a professional WR good at catching. Still...

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Interesting. Wonder if the former packers WR coach is coming to Philly. Ryan Mahaffey. I don’t recall seeing him fired.

Wound be amazing if moorehead somehow survives all these coaching changes. lol