5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Interesting. Wonder if the former packers WR coach is coming to Philly. Ryan Mahaffey. I don’t recall seeing him fired.

Know nothing about him but can't find anything to get excited about other than it would be good if someone wanted to follow Mannion unless he was getting fired anyway

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I think that's more a function of personnel than philosophy.

That speaks to the second part of what I think were leading reasons for Stout to feel like he is done.

One was the new offense.

The other was- is he going to want to stick around to rebuild the OL? This one's health is in shambles. Now, you indicate they may need new personnel to get the run game to work with a different philosophy.

Its a lot to start new. Its an excellent time for an older coach to take his exit instead of leaving while his unit is at the peak of its elite run.

It all comes back to- I dont think he was unable to adapt. I think he felt unwilling at this point in time.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

ringer, phly (not sure current people but Berman & Kimes are/were associated)

Ahh. I wouldn’t really count All-City. It’s small potatoes. The Ringer is relatively. Che compared to The Post. The Athletic is a legit competitor as they actually have local best writers and cover National/international sports.

I have a friend who was part of the layoffs yesterday. I’ll spare the boring details but management really botched this since Bezos took over with them bleeding subscriptions and views. I know you focused specifically on sports, but these cuts went beyond sports and will absolutely affect its quality, and frankly, its readers’ understanding of the world.

Side note: One of their international reporters was in an active war zone connected to a car charger for power and heat to log on to be told she was being laid off. What a disgrace.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

That speak to the second part of what I think were leading reasons for Stout to feel like he is done.

One was the new offense.

The other was- is he going to want to stick around to rebuild the OL? This one's health is in shambles. Now, you indicate they may need new personnel to get the run game to work with a different philosophy.

Its a lot to start new. Its an excellent time for an older coach to take his exit instead of leaving while his unit is at the peak of its elite run.

The peak was a year ago. Let's face it if Stout retired a year ago and last year there was a new OL coach who got the same results in 2025 everyone would be saying how much the Eagles missed Stout last year. If Jurgens & Dickerson are never the same & Lane retires those subtractions will get blamed on the new guy

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Ahh. I wouldn’t really count All-City. It’s small potatoes. The Ringer is relatively. Che compared to The Post. The Athletic is a legit competitor as they actually have local best writers and cover National/international sports.

I have a friend who was part of the layoffs yesterday. I’ll spare the boring details but management really botched this since Bezos took over with them bleeding subscriptions and views. I know you focused specifically on sports, but these cuts went beyond sports and will absolutely affect its quality, and frankly, its readers’ understanding of the world.

Side note: One of their international reporters was in an active war zone connected to a car charger for power and heat to log on to be told she was being laid off. What a disgrace.

Yeah I think beyond sports it's a disgrace. Bezos took on a responsibility when buying that institution and he's sold his dark soul

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wound be amazing if moorehead somehow survives all these coaching changes. lol

I don't know how

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d say all city network too but it feels like that’s a ship that may be beginning to sink.

Yeah, they’re already stripping things down.

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The peak was a year ago. Let's face it if Stout retired a year ago and last year there was a new OL coach who got the same results in 2025 everyone would be saying how much the Eagles missed Stout last year. If Jurgens & Dickerson are never the same & Lane retires those subtractions will get blamed on the new guy

Correct. And of course Sirianni.

51 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

What you don't understand is just how easy it is for teams to win a Super Bowl. Apparently we failed 4 out of 5 times.

I've actually stated that it is very hard to do this, that between the NFL intentionally making it difficult with lowering draft picks based upon record, scheduling (playing a harder schedule), the Salary Cap (basically making it impossible to keep your best players over time), the refs, injuries, etc....it is REALLY HARD.

What makes it harder though is when Sirianni not once, but twice was allowed to put incompetent OC's in place in Brian Johnson and Kevin Patullo. It is hard enough to win a Super Bowl, I don't need my f'ing head coach making it near impossible with absolutely asinine OC hiring decisions.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Talk about whiners. He must have a full time job somewhere else. No way he makes a living at this

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Moorehead lives another day

Yep, there ya go.

Forgive my ignorance, how long have teams had specific run and pass game coordinators and not just Offensive Coordinator and position coaches? Has that always been a thing?

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Well, the packers have not had a great run game in many years, only better now because Josh Jacobs is in town. We took their WRs coach and made him run game coordinator. Their WRs couldnt catch. I dont like this guy, but oh well. I have no idea how to evaluate position coaches anyway.

The good news about him being RGC is that he is a former fullback. So maybe he was miscast as a WRs coach. Hope he does well here!

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Moorehead lives another day

We can replace morehead with a lot of people, but I dont think this would be that guy.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Moorehead lives another day

That dude is like a bad penny

9 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

I've actually stated that it is very hard to do this, that between the NFL intentionally making it difficult with lowering draft picks based upon record, scheduling (playing a harder schedule), the Salary Cap (basically making it impossible to keep your best players over time), the refs, injuries, etc....it is REALLY HARD.

What makes it harder though is when Sirianni not once, but twice was allowed to put incompetent OC's in place in Brian Johnson and Kevin Patullo. It is hard enough to win a Super Bowl, I don't need my f'ing head coach making it near impossible with absolutely asinine OC hiring decisions.

I think only 8 teams have repeated as SB champs. Shows how hard it is to repeat; shorter offseason, more wear and tear, coaching attrition plus other items are all reasons teams don't do it.

Mailata mentioned in TC how beaten up he was from the SB season, etc. Eventually, it catches up with you, one way or another

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Yep, there ya go.

Good call. Im surprised Most Accurate Reporter didnt scoop that.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, the packers have not had a great run game in many years, only better now because Josh Jacobs is in town. We took their WRs coach and made him run game coordinator. Their WRs couldnt catch. I dont like this guy, but oh well. I have no idea how to evaluate position coaches anyway.

The good news about him being RGC is that he is a former fullback. So maybe he was miscast as a WRs coach. Hope he does well here!

You’re trusting Mannion to be a good judge of talent since he worked with him. Obviously this can all go horribly wrong but until then I’m eager to watch

After sleeping on it, what upsets me most about Stoutland is how thrown together this all feels.

They came into the offseason wanting the Shanahan offense... but not entirely. Because if they hired Brian Daboll he'd be running a different offense. So they didn't even come into the offseason with one over arching philosophy. But that seemed to be their preferred philosophy. So ok, Daboll turns them down after McDaniel and it's "I WANT THE SHANAHAN OFFENSE!" Which is fine. But to authorize a novice coach with next to no coaching experience and no experience whatsoever in heading up an offense or constructing an offense to be the man who does that... holy crap man that's incredibly risky. Maybe Mannion will end up being the next McVay. But if he is, he's gone in a year... and then what? You just turned the keys over almost entirely to a novice and you seem to be letting great coaches disappear from your organization all to get this Shanahan offense constructed by a rookie and the dude could be gone in a year anyway.

We are not behind closed doors, but it feels like Lurie after the season was pissed and was like "Come hell or high water, get me the Shanahan offense, I don't care what it takes!" And this is where they landed.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, the packers have not had a great run game in many years, only better now because Josh Jacobs is in town. We took their WRs coach and made him run game coordinator. Their WRs couldnt catch. I dont like this guy, but oh well. I have no idea how to evaluate position coaches anyway.

The good news about him being RGC is that he is a former fullback. So maybe he was miscast as a WRs coach. Hope he does well here!

The Packers were third in rushing DVOA in 2024…

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

After sleeping on it, what upsets me most about Stoutland is how thrown together this all feels.

They came into the offseason wanting the Shanahan offense... but not entirely. Because if they hired Brian Daboll he'd be running a different offense. So they didn't even come into the offseason with one over arching philosophy. But that seemed to be their preferred philosophy. So ok, Daboll turns them down after McDaniel and it's "I WANT THE SHANAHAN OFFENSE!" Which is fine. But to authorize a novice coach with next to no coaching experience and no experience whatsoever in heading up an offense or constructing an offense to be the man who does that... holy crap man that's incredibly risky. Maybe Mannion will end up being the next McVay. But if he is, he's gone in a year... and then what? You just turned the keys over almost entirely to a novice and you seem to be letting great coaches disappear from your organization all to get this Shanahan offense constructed by a rookie and the dude could be gone in a year anyway.

We are not behind closed doors, but it feels like Lurie after the season was pissed and was like "Come hell or high water, get me the Shanahan offense, I don't care what it takes!" And this is where they landed.

You just keep making up stories and getting mad about them. Relax.