3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

🏈Adam Vinatieri
🏈Darren Woodson
🏈Drew Brees
🏈Eli Manning
🏈Frank Gore
🏈Jahri Evans
🏈Jason Witten
🏈Kevin Williams
🏈Larry Fitzgerald
🏈Luke Kuechly
🏈Marshal Yanda
🏈Reggie Wayne
🏈Terrell Suggs
🏈Torry Holt
🏈Willie Anderson

They should hold off on Viniteri, BB, Kraft, Gronkowski and Brady to all go in on the same class.

25 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

It's likewise incredibly risky to simply hire based on having experience. Daboll failed miserably and McDaniel was only moderately successful. Miami was soft through and through. So soft they complained about Fangio being too tough on them. For me, give me the hungry, bright (universal opinion of Mannion is he is both) option than the retread mediocre option. Every single time.

I'm fine with going in that direction overall(sans the Stoutland botch job) but it should be as head coach then.

All these changes they're making under Nick Sirianni. A guy who doesn't even run this system. So it begs the question: why is he still here?

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Hard to say at this point. McVay used to love 11 personnel. This year he went 13 a lot. LaFleur has used a lot of 12 personnel. Fans complained that he didn’t use Reed enough because of that.

I'd love to see 11 and maybe 21. Though really I'd just love variety

I wonder if it's the death of the tush push also now

40 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Consistent issue under Lurie's ownership. Power plays galore. He still hasn't figured out how to get it under control. The fact that Sirianni and Patullo basically threw him to the curb to try to fix an offense that they failed miserably at it is such a bad look on Lurie more than anything. It should have never come to that.

I suspect Lurie likes how it operates. You don't let a culture go that long without endorsing what it is. Does he see it as a way to keep the Eagles org from not getting stale, by having people play power games?

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

you wish...

Its telling when people come in here and just post about me instead of football.

people that I dont talk about just randomly pop in with insults unnecessarily.

Agendas are clear for anyone with half a brain.

Meh, you and I have had back and forth chirping for 15 years starting back in the WU days. Also, plenty in here this year with regard to Hurts and other things.

I came in here today to check in on what people thought about Stoutland and see your normal crap with other posters and called you out just like a few others did. This happens several times a year and has been like that forever. Same thing happens when you venture into CVON these days and it happened all the time back in WU. Just keep being you my friend, all good.

I love that the Eagles are switching it up and hiring guys that run the Shanny stuff but if you are going to do that then why keep the head coach?

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

you wish...

Its telling when people come in here and just post about me instead of football.

people that I dont talk about just randomly pop in with insults unnecessarily.

Agendas are clear for anyone with half a brain.

You tell people they make things up then you go right to making things up. Except it's not made up to you because to you, your opinion is fact because you think that highly of your delusional opinions. Then you talk down to those who disagree with valid reasons and then you're confused when people call you out on all of it. It's pretty funny to watch. The way you defend Sirianni is the same way you hate Hurts. Just the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Speaking of the spectrum....

No idea if Mahaffey will be worth a damn as a run game coordinator, but I really, really, really like the idea of someone who is the TE coach and has a history of coaching both OL/WR as being the the RGC. I think that, on paper anyway, should make things easier for marrying up the run game and the pass game.

He was frustrated just like the fans were and players too. But let's get rid of those guys or let them walk. You're right, what a total botch job. Howie and Jeff just let our potential dynasty, which you may never get this opportunity again, completely evaporate right before our very eyes in a 1 year span. What a f'n joke. We can yell about Siri/ Patullo all we want but Howie & Jeff allowed this debacle to take place. Let's let a HOF line coach get so frustrated he leaves. Talk about not having the pulse of your team. Letting Nick & his bff run things into the ground is unforgivable. Disgusting absolutely disgusting

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

He was frustrated just like the fans were and players too. But let's get rid of those guys or let them walk. You're right, what a total botch job. Howie and Jeff just let our potential dynasty, which you may never get this opportunity again, completely evaporate right before our very eyes in a 1 year span. What a f'n joke. We can yell and Siri/ Patullo all we want but they allowed this debacle to take place. Let's let a HOF line coach get so frustrated he leaves. Disgusting absolutely disgusting

On a personal level I get what you are saying but I’d much rather run a zone running scheme and apparently he didn’t want to.

36 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I'll be honest if the Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator outrank the Running Game Coordinator and they have ideas they want to try, then like in any other job JFDI, I don't care if they asked Stoutland for permission or not, just install the new blocking wrinkles in pre season and make it work, it's not like Patullo's concepts were have Jurgens miss his block entirely or get beaten hollow within a quarter second, so why was that out on the field? because Jeff Stoutland was butt hurt he wasn't asked with due deference? GTFOOH.

This whole thing is like when Duce Staley discovered the title of Assistant Head Coach was actually really Assistant to the Head Coach and flounced off to end up 2 firings later as running back coach at the Browns.

I would agree with this if the two people in charge weren't Fing brain dead. Just because someone has authority over someone else doesn't make them smarter. Someone played a tweet that said first half of the season the run game was much better than the second half. Wonder what changed?

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Consistent issue under Lurie's ownership. Power plays galore. He still hasn't figured out how to get it under control. The fact that Sirianni and Patullo basically threw him to the curb to try to fix an offense that they failed miserably at it is such a bad look on Lurie more than anything. It should have never come to that.

I don't have any dogs in the defend Siri fight. That said, I'm unconvinced that's how it went down. It's speculation from all of us. And I'm just not sure that, behind the scenes, it was as simple as Siri kicking Stoutland to the curb in favor of Patullo.

9 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

On a personal level I get what you are saying but I’d much rather run a zone running scheme and apparently he didn’t want to.

2025 wore him out. He may have who knows but he was completely disrespected and kicked to the curb in 2025, a HOF line coach. The damage was already done.

4 minutes ago, devpool said:

I would agree with this if the two people in charge weren't Fing brain dead. Just because someone has authority over someone else doesn't make them smarter. Someone played a tweet that said first half of the season the run game was much better than the second half. Wonder what changed?

Based on that tweet the person writing it's objective reality, the run game stunk until it stunk slightly less late season, Saquon only broke 50 yards 3 times and didn't have a 100yard game until week 8. The idea that was the better part of the season just doesn't add up.

Sad about Stout as he's been a staple for so long. But there's nothing more inevitable in life than change. The next few years will be tough to see some guys go but they'll get through it just like they did with Cox, Kelce, etc. Personally, I'm excited to see a different look to the Birds offense over the next couple of years.

Alright...I'm going to say something that will unite everyone in pushing back against me.

I've been pretty pro-Lurie lately (as has everyone else) because he's objectively done a great job with this franchise. But when they do have these offseasons with at least a touch of drama (after 2015, 2020, 2023, 2025)...the resulting microscope often shows that he's pretty involved. He has weekly, direct conversations with coaches about scheme and football decisions (I believe that one leaked after Doug was fired and I'm CERTAIN Siri wasn't the one to put a stop to it).

Jerry Jones...ignoring for a minute whether he's literally demented or doing a terrible job...wears that on his sleeve and owns it. Lurie is very, very involved in the football operations of this franchise, not just hiring and firing head coaches....but aside from the occasional boast about studying football, he really goes to some lengths to conceal his involvement and influence in that process. Some coaches may resent that.

They've had great success on the field and with bringing in personnel...but coaches more or less have been treated as interchangeable parts over the years...and they consistently are not getting their top choices. We see a cycle of fired coaches eating the blame for problems and new ones that are generally just happy to get the job and more than willing to be leaned upon by the FO.

35 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I love that the Eagles are switching it up and hiring guys that run the Shanny stuff but if you are going to do that then why keep the head coach?

He was just given a new contract last year.

9 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

2025 wore him out. He may have who knows but he was completely disrespected and kicked to the curb in 2025, a HOF line coach. The damage was already done.

Do we really know that he was disrespected?

30 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I love that the Eagles are switching it up and hiring guys that run the Shanny stuff but if you are going to do that then why keep the head coach?

Maybe, and I'm just putting it out there, Lurie and Howie see that Sirianni offers more to the team than just being a systems guy? I say again he has 4 ten plus win seasons in a row with 4 different OC's at least two of whom this boards brain trust continually claim weren't fit to coach a lingerie league offense.

This board can tie itself up in pretzels with mental gymnastics about why this hire? or why is that guy fired rather than Sirianni? Like it's The Beach Boys keeping the guy who shakes the maracas and binning off Bryan Wilson, maybe, and again this is just a crazy suggestion, Howie and Lurie don't see it that way.

Week	Date	Opponent	Rush Yds	Rush Att	Yds/Att (YPC)
1	9/4/2025	vs DAL	158	38	4.2
2	9/14/2025	@ KC	122	34	3.6
3	9/21/2025	vs LAR	86	27	3.2
4	9/28/2025	@ TB	88	32	2.8
5	10/5/2025	vs DEN	45	11	4.1
6	10/9/2025	@ NYG	73	20	3.7
7	10/19/2025	@ MIN	45	23	2.0
8	10/26/2025	vs NYG	276	33	8.4
9	11/10/2025	@ GB	111	34	3.3
10	11/16/2025	vs DET	148	40	3.7
11	11/23/2025	@ DAL	63	18	3.5
12	11/28/2025	vs CHI	87	17	5.1
13	12/8/2025	@ LAC	134	25	5.4
14	12/14/2025	vs LV	183	47	3.9
15	12/20/2025	@ WAS	207	34	6.1
16	12/28/2025	@ BUF	82	26	3.2
17	1/4/2026	vs WAS	80	19	4.2

Tank had 5 consecutive weeks of no rushes during Sept and Oct and then no rushes against Bears in Nov and only 2 games where he had 10+ rushes

But he had almost 6yds/carry

Coaches have disagreements all the time. It's a high pressure business. When teams aren't winning or reaching expectations, these things happen. The OL wasn't getting it done all year. Do you want Nick to come in to the OL room and give Stout some flowers? He was trying to improve the team.

Does anyone see some clear second half regression there? We've got the one huge outlier of Saquan against his former team that had nothing to do with anything else.

If anything, the first half, which was mostly played with Lane, looks worse than the 2nd half, which was mostly without him (and without Fred Johnson as the useful 6th OL in running situations).

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Week	Date	Opponent	Rush Yds	Rush Att	Yds/Att (YPC)
1	9/4/2025	vs DAL	158	38	4.2
2	9/14/2025	@ KC	122	34	3.6
3	9/21/2025	vs LAR	86	27	3.2
4	9/28/2025	@ TB	88	32	2.8
5	10/5/2025	vs DEN	45	11	4.1
6	10/9/2025	@ NYG	73	20	3.7
7	10/19/2025	@ MIN	45	23	2.0
8	10/26/2025	vs NYG	276	33	8.4
9	11/10/2025	@ GB	111	34	3.3
10	11/16/2025	vs DET	148	40	3.7
11	11/23/2025	@ DAL	63	18	3.5
12	11/28/2025	vs CHI	87	17	5.1
13	12/8/2025	@ LAC	134	25	5.4
14	12/14/2025	vs LV	183	47	3.9
15	12/20/2025	@ WAS	207	34	6.1
16	12/28/2025	@ BUF	82	26	3.2
17	1/4/2026	vs WAS	80	19	4.2

What this shows me is, they got a crappy commanders, defense, a crappy Raiders defense like they did before then against a bad giants defense, and they managed to score a long run on a fake tush push against the Chargers. Otherwise, the running game was still not very good consistently which second half of season with games against commanders,Cowboys, raiders and a bad Buffalo run defense still had rushing EPA of 18 and success rate of 24.