2 hours ago, NOTW said:

They can’t blame Stefanski when he continues to stink next year.

Poor kid. 5th round pick who starts the year 4th on the QB depth chart, then the GM and owner mandate to the head coach that he gets more starts than any of the other QBs who were ahead of him and playing better.

It’s still a meritocracy at some point — even in CLE. Sanders showed nothing this season to demonstrate he deserves a shot to be a starting NFL QB, yet only Deshaun Watson stands between him and the starting QB role. When they don’t draft a QB in April and win less than 5 games again next season it will be everyone else to blame, in some people’s eyes.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Brock Purdy in the wildcard round has more winnability than Jalen Hurts.

Hurts used to have winability. He had none this year. The offense came back in 1 game- the Rams game. Thats it. Most other weeks, they had a chance to ice the game, and they failed consistently and left it up to the defense. Hurts did not come up clutch and convert 1st downs to run out clocks on game winning drives. Not in the regular season, and not even in the playoffs where some of us hoped he would suddenly turn it on.

19 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its fair to ask, but then you have to go execute, even if you dont necessarily understand or agree. As a leader on the field, you cant be breeding distrust in leadership/coaching

I can tell you its no different in a regular leadership Job even as an expert and specialist. I can ask the CEO why…but then i have to execute even if i dont necessarily agree

True. I would add that a QB, more than any other player, should what he’s doing and why.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Brock Purdy in the wildcard round has more winnability than Jalen Hurts.

Cool man. Raise that wildcard banner.

Apparently he was a POS at Ohio state according some buckeye fan. Then he had a domestic violence arrest where he also beat his 2 year old child. Prayers for his child, his gf and his gf family.

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

True. I would add that a QB, more than any other player, should what he’s doing and why.

The why is simple. To win the game.

We can debate the how. Its fair for players to ask for context. But then go execute. I ask the CEO all the time. Dude is a galaxy brain. His knowledge dwarfs mine. But he knows that i know my ish too and i can handle my specialty.

So Hurts should know commanders intent right? Understand the goal. Adapt on the field as conditions dictate.

lol

12 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Philly sports dark era is here. No light at the end of the tunnel for any team really.

Looks like it's right about time that all the people who were saying we're the worst ever for not going to the SB this year start to realize why appreciating the run since 2022 is smart rather than complaining we didn't win 3 Super Bowls within that time! (Which was impossible, there is a 0% chance we win in 2024 if we win in 2022. None.)

5 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

There's a video snippet I wish I could find of Steichen when he was Eagles OC; I'm pretty sure it was a highlight package from the 2022 season. It shows him speaking into the headset (one would assume to Hurts) and he's saying "Just f'n trust me!". They ostensibly ran the play, and it was successful towards a win. Steichen got to a point where Hurts trusted in him to dial up the correct plays when needed.

I wish I could find this too, I want to hear how it went down...

8 hours ago, just relax said:

If you can’t explain why you want a player to do a thing you’re in the wrong line of work. If Hurts asked why that does not make him automatically resistant. If a coach tells him one thing and another tells him another he would be remiss if he didn’t ask why. A high school coach who’s a graduate assistant somewhere is one thing but at this level he damn better well know why or go back to stocking shelves at Krogers. Of, however, the coach explains the rationale and it makes sens, then yes, there may be a problem. The srticle never goes that far.

It's not about explaining why or why not, it's about the lack of discipline and authority that this shows. It's not the job of a coach to convey a mentality, you don't need to do that to be a successful coach, you need to do that to be a high level coach. However if you cannot convey a mentality but have a feel for the game, then you can't be successful with someone who needs exhaustive explanations.

Nobody is reading the quote correctly. It says unless Hurts SEES THE LOGIC IN IT. This means from HIS perspective, not an OBJECTIVE perspective. I acknowledge you mention that at the end, though.

All I have to say to everyone regarding this is...

Y'all believe that the offense was influenced by Jalen's abilities and that the O has been coddled too much now? I was telling you guys for years that the lack of discipline because Lurie and Howie went too far in the player coach direction is showing, and that it's very unlikely that Sirianni just "didn't know even the basics about offense" despite getting to a head coaching level. Insane to think that.

Just finished the 30 for 30 Philly Special. Was very enjoyable 🙂

53 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

One thing I will say as a big time Nick Sirianni believer-

If Stoutland goes on to coach elsewhere, that tells us the turmoil was real and this was not an amicable split.

If Dickerson retires, then he was either driven to do it by the coaching staff, or he was not protected enough from his own decision by the coaching and medical staff. (someone should be fired if he retires due to his knees).

If both of these things happen, also combined with the failure of his friend Patullo, then Nick should be fired. Right away. Not after next year. Now.

And I'll still believe he can go on and be a successful head coach elsewhere. But those 3 things all happening should be survivable by no one. And youd have to imagine the owner will be very angry at that point.

I don't really agree. As I've stated several times, Philadelphia is a pressure cooker. In basically every other football city, no one would feel like they were coaching for their jobs in that situation (after just winning the Super Bowl). They might change things, but there wouldn't be a level of panic. That level of desperately trying to adjust, forces mistakes. I'm not going to judge a head coach on what happens because we have an unreasonable fanbase.

The desperation in trying to fix the running game is the only reason why Stout was displaced at all. QB1 doesn't have what it takes currently to lead the offense by passing, he has to develop more. Running game was in shambles, if the running game wasn't fixed, our offense had no shot. So basically he's getting criticized for trying to fix the problem, but also for not fixing the problem, at the same time.

Andy Reid didn't get fired for down years after his staff got poached several times, Chip Kelly didn't get fired for his defense being abysmal thanks to having a really awful defensive coordinator, and neither of those two got rings. Why is Nick the only one with such a heavy standard?

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Its fair to ask, but then you have to go execute, even if you dont necessarily understand or agree. As a leader on the field, you cant be breeding distrust in leadership/coaching

I can tell you its no different in a regular leadership Job even as an expert and specialist. I can ask the CEO why…but then i have to execute even if i dont necessarily agree

He ran the plays that were called. He continually said all year he was deferring to the coaches in questions about scheme & play calling. It was to the point that fans then criticized Jalen for NOT changing the play call on the final play of the season.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Players & coaches continually make public, on the record statements supporting Hurts (who I've criticized for his play). Mailata, Barkley, AJ, others.

Fans will dismiss that but believe "leaks" from unknown "sources" and then twist and spin that into all sorts of narratives.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He ran the plays that were called. He continually said all year he was deferring to the coaches in questions about scheme & play calling. It was to the point that fans then criticized Jalen for NOT changing the play call on the final play of the season.

I've kind of said it before, I just don't think they're a good fit, and I think this has a lot to do with Jeff and Howie. They're the ones that focused on player adaptability when they were looking for coaches, and emotional intelligence ran amok. Trust me when I say I am way more pro emotional intelligence than most individuals, but when it comes to competitive sports there has to be a point where emotional intelligence gives way to discipline, because discipline is THE way you push athletes. If you constantly adapt to them, you don't challenge them, and that kind of challenge is necessary.

Hurts is a bad fit for the regime type that Jeff and Howie built, he likely needs a more strict, logic oriented coach. That's not Sirianni's fault - he did not pick his own criteria to be hired (emotional intelligence), nor did he draft Jalen. However, I think if Hurts can't do it with the new group, barring a problem schematically, we need to move on. Bunch of people say Mannion's memory is borderline photographic, those type of people tend to explain way better than others. If that doesn't work, then that's probably the ballgame.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Brock Purdy in the wildcard round has more winnability than Jalen Hurts.

Weird comment.

Funny how when we talk about Jalen Hurts winning, people say it's a team sport, the TEAM won.

Then when it suits the narrative, fans talk about other QBs winning games. It's not a team sport when Purdy wins, it's QB vs QB.

I don't care if people criticize Hurts, I do too for things he does poorly.

But it's the hypocrisy, double standards, and inconsistency that bother me.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I've kind of said it before, I just don't think they're a good fit, and I think this has a lot to do with Jeff and Howie. They're the ones that focused on player adaptability when they were looking for coaches, and emotional intelligence ran amok. Trust me when I say I am way more pro emotional intelligence than most individuals, but when it comes to competitive sports there has to be a point where emotional intelligence gives way to discipline, because discipline is THE way you push athletes. If you constantly adapt to them, you don't challenge them, and that kind of challenge is necessary.

Hurts is a bad fit for the regime type that Jeff and Howie built, he likely needs a more strict, logic oriented coach. That's not Sirianni's fault - he did not pick his own criteria to be hired (emotional intelligence), nor did he draft Jalen. However, I think if Hurts can't do it with the new group, barring a problem schematically, we need to move on. Bunch of people say Mannion's memory is borderline photographic, those type of people tend to explain way better than others. If that doesn't work, then that's probably the ballgame.

I agree. Nick was used to Rivers & Luck.

This year will be prove it for Hurts and others.

Part of me wants Hurts traded to stop hearing about the debate all the time. But, Eagles fans debate the QB no matter who it is. McNabb, Kolb, Garcia, Vick, Foles, Wentz. It never ends, fans are never happy.

Hurts was absolutely right to question the coaching, they sucked.

I would question why they were hellbent on setting the all time NFL record for hitch routes too.

I would also wonder why they keep using formations and personnel that didn't work at all.

30 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Just finished the 30 for 30 Philly Special. Was very enjoyable 🙂

It was really good. It’s still hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that Nick Foles did what he did. I watched him in college cause he went to my alma mater. Saw him play live a few times. I played basketball with that guy at the rec center and mckale center on late Friday nights pickup ball during the summer and we got to chat. it is still unbelievable to this day for me to comprehend that he went from that to being the guy who led the Philadelphia Eagles to their first Super Bowl trophy.

40 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

Just finished the 30 for 30 Philly Special. Was very enjoyable 🙂

F !!..... I completely forgot that was on tonight

28 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I don't really agree. As I've stated several times, Philadelphia is a pressure cooker. In basically every other football city, no one would feel like they were coaching for their jobs in that situation (after just winning the Super Bowl). They might change things, but there wouldn't be a level of panic. That level of desperately trying to adjust, forces mistakes. I'm not going to judge a head coach on what happens because we have an unreasonable fanbase.

The desperation in trying to fix the running game is the only reason why Stout was displaced at all. QB1 doesn't have what it takes currently to lead the offense by passing, he has to develop more. Running game was in shambles, if the running game wasn't fixed, our offense had no shot. So basically he's getting criticized for trying to fix the problem, but also for not fixing the problem, at the same time.

Andy Reid didn't get fired for down years after his staff got poached several times, Chip Kelly didn't get fired for his defense being abysmal thanks to having a really awful defensive coordinator, and neither of those two got rings. Why is Nick the only one with such a heavy standard?

1. Expectations are higher. Not just because of a spoiled fanbase. But because the expectations should be higher at the moment. This team has won super bowls recently, and been to another. Showing that, we dont just think they are in their contention window. and have delusional goals like Dallas or Green Bay fans. We know we are in contention. So, we expect to contend. And we fell far short.

2. The poaching of coaches is expected. And Im not holding him to the fire for just 1 thing going wrong. Because the poaching is tough to deal with on such a continuous basis. But the nepo hire is risky, and when it doesnt work out, it looks even worse.

3. Its now not just about poaching. But its a compilation of bad decisions. First was Patullo and thats pretty damn bad. But whats worse is that your miscalculations pissed off another coach to the point of quitting. And to make matters worse, that was an all time historically exceptional coach. That loss is especially tough to swallow for a franchise, and Im sure the owner.

4. Adding to the compilation of bad decisions, youve ruined the career of a young all pro OG who maybe could have been one of the greats if he was afforded the opportunity of longevity in the game. But this wasnt just some dumb luck freak injury career ender like a Leonard Weaver situation. This was a run of the mill meniscus injury. Recovery botched so badly the player is unsure he will ever feel healthy again. And making matters worse, you could just watch the damn game and see that he shouldnt be out there. Yet, he was.

As each of these things happened and some of the emotional little bishes cried immediately, I didnt care all that much. Crap happens in the NFL. Its a tough business. It doesnt just require the best in the world. It requires the best in the world to get a good bit of luck on their side as well. There WILL BE ups and downs.

When the downs look avoidable they are hard to excuse, but sometimes a coach deserves some grace. A longer leash. When the avoidable downs are exceptionally low. It gets worse. When the really low, avoidable downs begin to pile up all at once, there comes a point where it should be too much for an owner to just allow without consequence.

37 minutes ago, NOTW said:

He ran the plays that were called. He continually said all year he was deferring to the coaches in questions about scheme & play calling. It was to the point that fans then criticized Jalen for NOT changing the play call on the final play of the season.

Thats a convenient story vs the one during the season where Hurts supporters gave him credit for running his own plays any time the offense did something positive.

31 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I've kind of said it before, I just don't think they're a good fit, and I think this has a lot to do with Jeff and Howie. They're the ones that focused on player adaptability when they were looking for coaches, and emotional intelligence ran amok. Trust me when I say I am way more pro emotional intelligence than most individuals, but when it comes to competitive sports there has to be a point where emotional intelligence gives way to discipline, because discipline is THE way you push athletes. If you constantly adapt to them, you don't challenge them, and that kind of challenge is necessary.

Hurts is a bad fit for the regime type that Jeff and Howie built, he likely needs a more strict, logic oriented coach. That's not Sirianni's fault - he did not pick his own criteria to be hired (emotional intelligence), nor did he draft Jalen. However, I think if Hurts can't do it with the new group, barring a problem schematically, we need to move on. Bunch of people say Mannion's memory is borderline photographic, those type of people tend to explain way better than others. If that doesn't work, then that's probably the ballgame.

Sometimes smarter people actually arent good explainers. Things just make sense to them and its hard to dumb it down and explain why.

Ever have that type of teacher or professor who is brilliant but probably didnt belong teaching?

32 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I don't care if people criticize Hurts, I do too for things he does poorly.

29 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I agree. Nick was used to Rivers & Luck.

This year will be prove it for Hurts and others.

Part of me wants Hurts traded to stop hearing about the debate all the time. But, Eagles fans debate the QB no matter who it is. McNabb, Kolb, Garcia, Vick, Foles, Wentz. It never ends, fans are never happy.

Its always been clear when they were wrong. Anyone could see McNabb was excellent and capable of carrying the team on his back. Same for Wentz.

Anyone should have been able to see Kolb was never gonna be good.

Anyone could see Vick's talent. Though he started off rusty and not as fast fresh out of the cell. He got better here as time went on. Regained explosiveness. The stupid 2 QB system bringing him in just to run was predictable, and disrupted the flow of the offense. And for a brief moment early on, Foles ran the offense much smoother. But once Vick got going, there was no questioning. I dont know who continued to question? And Foles clearly proved to be a career backup who was capable of great spurts.

Theres not much debate with any of them.

As with them all, it should be clear to everyone that Hurts stinks at throwing. Always has. Has not improved enough, and is not still improving. He is a regressing player with his throwing plateaued, and now not wanting to run. Sometimes in the past he could will a win in spite of himself because when we really needed it most, his legs would save him/us. This year he decided he wont do that anymore.

I guess Siri and Patullo couldnt explain in clear enough terms why 1st downs are helpful so he just refused to get them.