Fun player. Mr Degree of Difficulty. Cant tell if hes going to be a useless non-separator. Or if he may be a great slot WR who catches everything. Probably depends on if his OC can scheme him open because he isnt running away from anyone. Some of those route combos were pretty slick at Miami.

Feels like a good time to reiterate that this wasn't some seasoned offensive mind that was asked to explain the why and how of a play's design, it was Kevin F'ing Patullo. And there's a very good reason why he'll never be an offensive coordinator ever again in this league. Kevin Byard looked like dogshit when he had Desai and Patricia calling defenses, then suddenly he's racking up 7 picks and earns first team all-pro honors in his first year under Dennis Allen (who's not even that great of a DC.)

Somehow the impact of coaching keeps getting undervalued among long-time fans despite all the evidence to the contrary staring us in the face.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Feels like a good time to reiterate that this wasn't some seasoned offensive mind that was asked to explain the why and how of a play's design, it was Kevin F'ing Patullo. And there's a very good reason why he'll never be an offensive coordinator ever again in this league. Kevin Byard looked like dogshit when he had Desai and Patricia calling defenses, then suddenly he's racking up 7 picks and earns first team all-pro honors in his first year under Dennis Allen (who's not even that great of a DC.)

Somehow the impact of coaching keeps getting undervalued among long-time fans despite all the evidence to the contrary staring us in the face.

Yet the question remains, how different could it have looked if the player had listened?

Lets also remind ourselves how the defense wasnt all that elite in early 2024. Until the players said they got together to try to really understand what Fangio was asking and then it clicked. Then they became the #1 defense.

Maybe as the player, know your role and do what youre told.

Sometimes you learn by doing. THEN you understand why.

Just call it Draft Day 2.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

1. Expectations are higher. Not just because of a spoiled fanbase. But because the expectations should be higher at the moment. This team has won super bowls recently, and been to another. Showing that, we dont just think they are in their contention window. and have delusional goals like Dallas or Green Bay fans. We know we are in contention. So, we expect to contend. And we fell far short.

2. The poaching of coaches is expected. And Im not holding him to the fire for just 1 thing going wrong. Because the poaching is tough to deal with on such a continuous basis. But the nepo hire is risky, and when it doesnt work out, it looks even worse.

3. Its now not just about poaching. But its a compilation of bad decisions. First was Patullo and thats pretty damn bad. But whats worse is that your miscalculations pissed off another coach to the point of quitting. And to make matters worse, that was an all time historically exceptional coach. That loss is especially tough to swallow for a franchise, and Im sure the owner.

4. Adding to the compilation of bad decisions, youve ruined the career of a young all pro OG who maybe could have been one of the greats if he was afforded the opportunity of longevity in the game. But this wasnt just some dumb luck freak injury career ender like a Leonard Weaver situation. This was a run of the mill meniscus injury. Recovery botched so badly the player is unsure he will ever feel healthy again. And making matters worse, you could just watch the damn game and see that he shouldnt be out there. Yet, he was.

As each of these things happened and some of the emotional little bishes cried immediately, I didnt care all that much. Crap happens in the NFL. Its a tough business. It doesnt just require the best in the world. It requires the best in the world to get a good bit of luck on their side as well. There WILL BE ups and downs.

When the downs look avoidable they are hard to excuse, but sometimes a coach deserves some grace. A longer leash. When the avoidable downs are exceptionally low. It gets worse. When the really low, avoidable downs begin to pile up all at once, there comes a point where it should be too much for an owner to just allow without consequence.

I've said this before but: Personally, even though I don't think Sirianni deserves or deserved to be fired (there is literally no possible situation in which I believe a coach that had an 11 game winning season should be fired after a Super Bowl victory barring something illegal happening, especially with 2 in 4 years), I kind of have been wishing he did just so Eagles discussion isn't constantly insufferable. It just feels like a broken relationship. The fans will literally never forgive Sirianni for 2023, even though they don't even remember how the season went correctly, only what they feel of it. People have been in their feelings for like 2.5 full years.

It makes any Eagles discussion kind of insufferable, and I'm ready for it to end, even if that results in us becoming garbage as a franchise again.

I think the only chance Eagles fans get over 2023 trauma is with a new coach, I don't think anything else matters anymore. The original standard was quite literally "Win a SB or you're fired", but the SB was won and no one cared because they just said everyone except Sirianni won the SB. Fire him, get it over with, and make it so people can talk semi-rationally about Eagles football again.

Do I think it's justified though? Nope, not at all. Doug got 3 more years, almost got a 4th after a 4-12 season (which by the way, few of the fans seemed against if he just fired Press Taylor and co), and exactly 0 of those seasons were at the same level as Sirianni's 2023 and 2025.

21 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I've said this before but: Personally, even though I don't think Sirianni deserves or deserved to be fired (there is literally no possible situation in which I believe a coach that had an 11 game winning season should be fired after a Super Bowl victory barring something illegal happening, especially with 2 in 4 years), I kind of have been wishing he did just so Eagles discussion isn't constantly insufferable. It just feels like a broken relationship. The fans will literally never forgive Sirianni for 2023, even though they don't even remember how the season went correctly, only what they feel of it. People have been in their feelings for like 2.5 full years.

It makes any Eagles discussion kind of insufferable, and I'm ready for it to end, even if that results in us becoming garbage as a franchise again.

I think the only chance Eagles fans get over 2023 trauma is with a new coach, I don't think anything else matters anymore. The original standard was quite literally "Win a SB or you're fired", but the SB was won and no one cared because they just said everyone except Sirianni won the SB. Fire him, get it over with, and make it so people can talk semi-rationally about Eagles football again.

Do I think it's justified though? Nope, not at all. Doug got 3 more years, almost got a 4th after a 4-12 season (which by the way, few of the fans seemed against if he just fired Press Taylor and co), and exactly 0 of those seasons were at the same level as Sirianni's 2023 and 2025.

I'm a big Siri guy.

But if those 3 things all happen in one offseason it becomes hard to argue with moving on.

Hopefully that doesn't all happen.

I'm still on the Siri bandwagon.

Hey everyone, sorry I've been gone so long. Care giving has just been a lot more of a challenge for a while. Everything's going pretty well, but we've been in and out of the hospital about 4 times since June. So the majority of my time has to go to taking care of her as best as I can and by the end of the day, I end up asleep in front of the TV.

I think I watched maybe a quarter of the season, some games I didn't even know were happening until after they were over... and in some cases, that's just as well. Like the Giants loss. I didn't even know that happened until Saturday night (I think that was a Thursday game?). Anyway, all is well for the most part and I'll try to get on more than the past 7 or so months.

There have been some other (positive) things happen that affect the board, part of which I've already made a change on a few weeks ago, and that's funding for the board. I've turned off a lot of the AdSense ads for guests, and I'll be retiring the GoFundMe soon (if I haven't already). Any funding shortfall that Amazon and the few Ads that run, don't cover, I'll cover myself. Keep using the Amazon link, and that'll help offset any shortfall, but whatever might be needed going forward, is covered.

We'll find out how good Hurts is this season.

However, last season he looked much better under center, which also allows greater use of play action.

The RPO running QB thing has a short shelf life, because you're going to get your QB killed running horizontally (set up for big hits).

He gets hit less scrambling or running QB draws.

I'm also on board with trading Brown, I think he's a problem for a QB b/c you know you have to force the ball to him or things can get ugly.

Even if you tell yourself to spread it around, subconsciously it's going to effect your reads.

I'd rather they start spreading the ball around to 3 WRs, 2 TEs and more throws to RBs, and on the move, not standing still in the flat as the outlet.

Make defenses cover everyone and the whole field.

4 minutes ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

Hey everyone, sorry I've been gone so long. Care giving has just been a lot more of a challenge for a while. Everything's going pretty well, but we've been in and out of the hospital about 4 times since June. So the majority of my time has to go to taking care of her as best as I can and by the end of the day, I end up asleep in front of the TV.

I think I watched maybe a quarter of the season, some games I didn't even know were happening until after they were over... and in some cases, that's just as well. Like the Giants loss. I didn't even know that happened until Saturday night (I think that was a Thursday game?). Anyway, all is well for the most part and I'll try to get on more than the past 7 or so months.

There have been some other (positive) things happen that affect the board, part of which I've already made a change on a few weeks ago, and that's funding for the board. I've turned off a lot of the AdSense ads for guests, and I'll be retiring the GoFundMe soon (if I haven't already). Any funding shortfall that Amazon and the few Ads that run, don't cover, I'll cover myself. Keep using the Amazon link, and that'll help offset any shortfall, but whatever might be needed going forward, is covered.

Sorry to hear that. As a long time caregiver, I know the toll it takes. Hope things work out.

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yet the question remains, how different could it have looked if the player had listened?

Lets also remind ourselves how the defense wasnt all that elite in early 2024. Until the players said they got together to try to really understand what Fangio was asking and then it clicked. Then they became the #1 defense.

Maybe as the player, know your role and do what youre told.

Sometimes you learn by doing. THEN you understand why.

And sometimes the coach is a brain dead corpse.

6 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Looks like it's right about time that all the people who were saying we're the worst ever for not going to the SB this year start to realize why appreciating the run since 2022 is smart rather than complaining we didn't win 3 Super Bowls within that time! (Which was impossible, there is a 0% chance we win in 2024 if we win in 2022. None.)

Not sure about not winning in 24 if we won in 22. But people saying we would have won in 23 with a different DC are delusional. That team was not winning wih a cooked Bradbery, Morrow, Cunningham and Leonard at LB along with Johnson at OC. This year is interesting. A different OC would have helped immensely but with the OL playing the way it did I'm not sure a better OC could have dragged the team across the finish line. That is debatable one way or the other. I tend to think a good OC compared to an imbecile would have adjusted the offense to make up for the OL not being nearly the same as in 24.

51 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

Not sure about not winning in 24 if we won in 22. But people saying we would have won in 23 with a different DC are delusional. That team was not winning wih a cooked Bradbery, Morrow, Cunningham and Leonard at LB along with Johnson at OC. This year is interesting. A different OC would have helped immensely but with the OL playing the way it did I'm not sure a better OC could have dragged the team across the finish line. That is debatable one way or the other. I tend to think a good OC compared to an imbecile would have adjusted the offense to make up for the OL not being nearly the same as in 24.

I think it really depends on what the plan was going into the year. I don't have proof of this, but if I had to guess, the biggest difference between a really experience OC and a new OC is not what they bring to the field, but backup plans. See...

It is hard to truly switch installs during the year. If you're an experienced OC, you likely have a setup where you can more easily make changes to plays during the season, based on different parts of plays. Put differently, your playbook is more modular. Less experienced guys probably have less of this built in. You can think of this as a 'what you do when crap hits the fan' button. And worst of all, we were coming off a historical rushing season. So the plan was most likely run the football and use the run to set up the pass, especially because Jalen as of current is NOT the kind of guy who can carry a team with his arm. OK, cool.

...But now do that when you can't run block to save your life. Uh oh?

Okay how do we adjust, maybe we need to tweak the play - oh wait, we don't have good modular pieces so we have to do it by reinstalling with hilariously limited install time per week. By the way, we also have to work really hard to get good game plans, install those gameplans as well, make sure the team understands that properly, do basic practice, etc etc etc.

I'll make an unpopular statement. The biggest mistake was not hiring Patullo. I think the biggest mistake was, if Sirianni and co knew he was going to be fairly hands off for most of the year, they needed to hire a Senior Offensive Assistant that had experience to help Patullo in terms of season preparation. Because if you guys haven't noticed, the way our offensive staff is build frequently mimics something else common in this league right now: Lack of experience. And when you have young coordinators, that's the worst possible thing to have on their coaching staff, I think. Barring very high level hires.

Not having a plan to be able to adjust efficiently through the season can crater you even if you do numerous other things right. Not saying that's what happened here, but if you can't do that, you end up defined by your rookie playbook.

3 hours ago, just relax said:

And sometimes the coach is a brain dead corpse.

As is the QB. Bad combo.

12 hours ago, NOTW said:

No..it's NOBODY in the NFL is even remotely interested in him coaching their team..just that simple but has to throw that out there to keep the he's in charge and victim

narrative going

Maybe if there were ever receivers that were consistently open, or running plays that weren't always blown up in the backfield, I would believe this notion that Hurts should have just listened and "executed"

Too bad there was nothing to execute. The playcalls sucked, the scheme sucked, the personnel packages sucked, and the defenses knew exactly what was coming.

Put the players in a position to succeed and then if they don't, I'll blame the players.

Happy last full day of us being Super Bowl champions. The last year went too quickly.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What a selfish prima donna jerk!!!

6 hours ago, just relax said:

And sometimes the coach is a brain dead corpse.

Its a Philly thing right now. I think Topper died 2 years ago and no one noticed. We needed Mattingly to do Topper's job so hopefully that works out.

The Eagles success will depend on the rest of the coaches doing Siri's job by being Head Coach Defense (Fangio) and Head Coach Offense (combo)

I still don't understand why the NFL doesn't buy the UFL and make it an incubator league. The NFL could experiment with rules changes, they could hire full time officials who could get work and practice in so the NFL isn't full of awful calls and teams could assign players a la the old NFL Europe. It would also be a great way for the NFL to get their minority coaches a head start. It all just makes too much sense.

9 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

how different could it have looked if the player had listened?

Strawman. There's no indication that he refused to listen.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

Maybe if there were ever receivers that were consistently open, or running plays that weren't always blown up in the backfield, I would believe this notion that Hurts should have just listened and "executed"

Too bad there was nothing to execute. The playcalls sucked, the scheme sucked, the personnel packages sucked, and the defenses knew exactly what was coming.

Put the players in a position to succeed and then if they don't, I'll blame the players.

This is because you are a rational person capable of independent thought and analysis of what you are seeing.

The cult just wants to hate Hurts.

Patullo may have been the worst OC in NFL History. Siri/Patullo were the worst offensive HC/OC combo in NFL History.

As Patullo fell on his face and filled his pants Siri just covered for him and protected him.

Calcaterra's pathetic blocking looks like higher art form when compared to the asinine analysis and ignorant opinions of the cult.

Herbert led his team to 3 points in a playoff game and 10 points vs DC

The cult will tell you Herbert is better and would thrive in a Patullo Calcaterra 2025 offense.

DC gave up 20+ in 13 of 16 games vs starters.

The only times they did not give up 20+ :

Giants Week 1

Dolphins Week 11

Justin Herbert

Herbert was 0-2 vs the Giants and Commanders with 2 TDs 3 picks 185 yards passing per game and a 69.3 passer rating.

Yeah, he just needed Patullo! Maybe Greg Roman did not call enough hitch routes for him in LA?

12 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

You gotta sign Dean. Baun I think will be gone in 2 years when his contract is up, he's 30 and still able to get a massive payday that I don't think the Eagles would hand out. But I think they can lock up dean now for cheaper than that Baun deal will be in 2 years. Same goes for Campbell in 2-3 years that deal I think will be cheaper than the new Baun deal in 2 years.

Absolutely not. They have several needs and even without Dean the LB position is way down that list. Not to mention he can't stay healthy. Not to mention if you bring him back you will have essentially wasted a first round pick on Campbell.