6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’m not sure Adoree should be catching strays after the performance of Ringo/Bennett. By being competent he really pulled the bacon out of the fire down the stretch.

I would say Adore wasn't as bad as he looked earlier in the year, but not as good as he looked later in the year after seeing some Ringo and Bennett. He was just ok in my opinion but with Vic coaching and having Q and Coop on the field they were able to make it work. Either way, I am hopeful that they can go out in free agency and get a corner who won't break the bank who can be serviceable and an upgrade to Adore. OR at the very least bring back Adore super cheap and draft someone fairly early to complete with him. With so many needs elsewhere they might have to go that route.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

They're very different players, but that doesn't mean Dean is better.

Ex:

• Dean blitzes through the RB, while Campbell blitzes with speed trying to get around the RB.

• Campbell runs sideline to sideline, Dean runs to the LOS

Campbell is more physically gifted and Campbell started off as an EDGE at Alabama. He just needs to play.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter that they are a different style of LB other than to say that the poster prefers Nakobe's style. I would agree that Nakobe is like a heat seeking missile and great run stuffing LB. However a long with his lack of size it's a major part of the reason he also can't stay healthy. On the flip side, Campbell can do things from an athletic standpoint that Dean can't do and is definitely better in coverage. At the end of the day though it also doesn't matter who is better. For one thing we don't know what year two Campbell is going to look like, and for another Campbell is going to be way cheaper and for the price of one Nakobe you can get Campbell and possibly a starting CB2 or S who is an upgrade at those positions. I can't stress this enough, this conversation has to come from a place of nuance and bigger picture which the bring back Nakobe crowd doesn't want to do.

Just now, T-1000 said:

This is how I would rank the Eagles needs heading into the offseason:

1. Offensive Line - Even IF Lane and Dickerson are back, this should be priority number 1. If one or both of them retire it should be priority numbers 1, 2, 3, etc. I don't care who you have at the skill positions, you don't have success in this league without a good OL. I know there is some debate but after seeing Steen for an entire season as a starter I think he is far more suited to be a 6th OL than a starter. If Lane does come back you are still going to need to replace him in 2027 most likely. Depth was a major issue at the position this past season. We could be looking at a completely revamped OL in 2026, or at the very least a new look and a revamp in 2027. All roads back to success for this offense/team lead to an improvement for the OL.

2. Tight End - This position needs completely revamped. GC brings NOTHING to the table. Goedert was not the blocker he once was last season and is a free agent who probably won't be back. Mannion is likely to run a lot of two or even three TE sets and marry the run and pass games together. This means a lot of play action and a lot of importance on the TE position. Between free agency and the draft this team is going to need AT LEAST two new significant TE's, possibly three.

3. Wide Receiver - IF AJ is back you can move this down a couple of spots but it will still be a need. They currently don't have a WR on this roster under contract after Brown and Smith with a certain future with the team. IF AJ gets traded you need to either sign a big time free agent, draft a WR in the first round, or do some combination of a solid WR in free agency and drafting a WR in the first three rounds somewhere.

4. S - I will keep it short. Reed is a free agent coming off of a down year. Mukuba flashed some big plays, and also flashed some bad rookie mistakes and unfortunately missed a lot of games due to injury to develop. They also have no depth at the position.

5. CB2 - Some would probably have this higher but they showed that with a bum like Adore Jackson they could get by with Vic's scheme and by having young stud like Q and Coop. I would love a nice upgrade, but I'm pretty sure they could sign a cheap veteran in free agency and he could be an upgrade over Jackson.

6. Edge - With Phillips as a free agent they are back down to two healthy edges and Smith can't seem to stay healthy. Whether it be Phillips, another free agent, a high draft pick, this position will need to be addressed.

So with all of these needs, the LB position in good shape with Baun, Campbell, Trotter, and Mondon, a salary cap in place, etc people still thinking that bringing back Nakobe Dean should be a high priority is borderline moronic.

Not borderline moronic when I present to you valid reasons why I think Dean should be a priority. Not sure why you seem to insult others for thinking different than you.

Yes there's a cap. But there's also the draft and trades, extensions and restructures. FA isn't the only way to improve the team. In fact, FA should be used to keep your own guys, not depend on others coming in.

-OL should be handled via the draft and development of players on the team. They've invested draft picks and time to develop quite a few players. It's time for Lampkin, Kendall and one of the tackles to step up in to a bigger role. IF they invest in OL during FA, it will be depth, not starting money.

-TE is a priority. They MIGHT have to spend here in FA. As much as I want Likely, I think he gets too much. I'm looking at a guy like Cade Otton and then the draft. Sadiq is the dream. Delp and Stowers are there in the middle rounds too.

-WR is a need, but AJ isn't getting traded. A lot depends on Mannion and what they think the value is of WR3. Dotson caught 18 passes last year. Are they going to invest big FA $$ for a position that doesn't get targets? Doubtful. I think they really like Cooper and they bring in speed in the draft.

-S is a need, probably higher than WR. I'm bringing back Epps on a 1-year deal to start next to Mukuba. Reed wants to get paid. I'm not overpaying for Blankenship. There isn't a young safety on the market worth breaking the bank for. Needs to be a draft pick.

-CB2 should be one of their higher picks in the draft this year. If Jackson is CB2, he won't cost much to bring back.

-Edge is a need, but I'm not overpaying for Phillips. This is where a big splash trade might be made.

All in all, I want them to use their cap to retain and extend. The FA market isn't worth overpaying for. There isn't a FA I'd overpay for to bring here instead of paying Dean to stay.

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

They're very different players, but that doesn't mean Dean is better.

Ex:

• Dean blitzes through the RB, while Campbell blitzes with speed trying to get around the RB.

• Campbell runs sideline to sideline, Dean runs to the LOS

Campbell is more physically gifted and Campbell started off as an EDGE at Alabama. He just needs to play.

This is why I want them playing together. I don't want to move on from Campbell. I want them both on the team. Baun is not a long term answer here. We all say Howie is a genius right? There's no reason not to believe that Howie can structure Dean's contract to work with Baun's contract so Dean is cheaper this year and then pay him more once Baun is gone in 2027.

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I would say Adore wasn't as bad as he looked earlier in the year, but not as good as he looked later in the year after seeing some Ringo and Bennett. He was just ok in my opinion but with Vic coaching and having Q and Coop on the field they were able to make it work. Either way, I am hopeful that they can go out in free agency and get a corner who won't break the bank who can be serviceable and an upgrade to Adore. OR at the very least bring back Adore super cheap and draft someone fairly early to complete with him. With so many needs elsewhere they might have to go that route.

Doesn’t have to be Adoree, as we moved off Rodgers before - but we can likely avoid some ugly play through the 1st half of the season by bringing him back (ideally as a bridge).

3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Doesn’t have to be Adoree, as we moved off Rodgers before - but we can likely avoid some ugly play through the 1st half of the season by bringing him back (ideally as a bridge).

I'd love to bring back Josh Jobe, but if he's in line to make himself some money tmw night. One big play that helps Seattle win the SB jacks his price up.

The FA market is loaded with 28-30 year old journeyman CB. There isn't a long term solution in FA.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Not borderline moronic when I present to you valid reasons why I think Dean should be a priority. Not sure why you seem to insult others for thinking different than you.

Yes there's a cap. But there's also the draft and trades, extensions and restructures. FA isn't the only way to improve the team. In fact, FA should be used to keep your own guys, not depend on others coming in.

-OL should be handled via the draft and development of players on the team. They've invested draft picks and time to develop quite a few players. It's time for Lampkin, Kendall and one of the tackles to step up in to a bigger role. IF they invest in OL during FA, it will be depth, not starting money.

-TE is a priority. They MIGHT have to spend here in FA. As much as I want Likely, I think he gets too much. I'm looking at a guy like Cade Otton and then the draft. Sadiq is the dream. Delp and Stowers are there in the middle rounds too.

-WR is a need, but AJ isn't getting traded. A lot depends on Mannion and what they think the value is of WR3. Dotson caught 18 passes last year. Are they going to invest big FA $$ for a position that doesn't get targets? Doubtful. I think they really like Cooper and they bring in speed in the draft.

-S is a need, probably higher than WR. I'm bringing back Epps on a 1-year deal to start next to Mukuba. Reed wants to get paid. I'm not overpaying for Blankenship. There isn't a young safety on the market worth breaking the bank for. Needs to be a draft pick.

-CB2 should be one of their higher picks in the draft this year. If Jackson is CB2, he won't cost much to bring back.

-Edge is a need, but I'm not overpaying for Phillips. This is where a big splash trade might be made.

All in all, I want them to use their cap to retain and extend. The FA market isn't worth overpaying for. There isn't a FA I'd overpay for to bring here instead of paying Dean to stay.

Good one. Edge (maybe two) and CB2 are needs. Lock those two and the defense (which was already pretty good) is back. Can fill in the other areas with solid players. Lane's replacement could be a priority too if the right guy is on the board at our pick. And Dean may be back but only on a team friendly deal. You look at the roster and realize we could have won the big prize but just mucked it up for other reasons.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

We can calm down about Stoutland going to the Giants

Stout can't go anywhere unless the Eagles let him, he's under contract.

Kwitty Paye is the Edge to look out for. Much like CB, there isn't a lot of young talent on the open market. Jaelen Phillips is lining up to be the top Edge player available. I don't think he's worth overpaying.

One more thing worth considering. I'd imagine this is Vics last year. The Eagles have to know that. I'd imagine internally, they are thinking about what's next (at least I hope they are). A lot want Jim Schwartz back next year. His scheme is not a Vic scheme. Are the Eagles going to invest in players who fit his scheme long-term or are they going to take the band aid/bridge player approach again until they know next year. I'd hate to see them spend huge dollars on Vic players only to see a scheme change in 2027 and players don't fit.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Stout can't go anywhere unless the Eagles let him, he's under contract.

Trade? J/k

Greg Cosell thinks Jordan Davis will be extended this off season. Seems confident on it happening.

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

Greg Cosell thinks Jordan Davis will be extended this off season. Seems confident on it happening.

We should. Team leader who other players love. We don't have another NT on the roster. Shouldn't be that expensive...

8 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Trade? J/k

I don't think a positional coach has ever been traded before. I would think the Jets would want him, along with a slew of other teams obviously.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

We should. Team leader who other players love. We don't have another NT on the roster. Shouldn't be that expensive...

I definitely am happy to hear that, not sure if he won't be expensive though. 20 mil per?

I'm looking at Alijah Vera Tucker for RG. Steen goes back to the bench. Then go ahead and draft RT. I'm looking at Max, Blake and Monroe. I also toy with the idea of getting Max for RG then trading up for one of Blake/Monroe. Lane needs to come back 1 more year regardless, he can take his successor under his HOF wing for the year, ideally.

If Landon hangs them up that's going to be a problem, nevermind if both him & Lane retire.

It will be interesting if the boys sign Reed, Nakobe and JP to improve each level of their new Fangio defense.

I think they’re currently in a self-imposed cap hell, where they could restructure a ton of $ via Dak’s contract to get out of it. So may be possible, even with Pickens.

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Priority signing: Mann

Should focus on keeping at market-value: Epps, Graham,

Would resign at a discount: Reed, Johnson, Goedert, Adoree

Would let walk: Dotson, Philips (injury history)

Hopefully AJ actually plays hard this year. That would be nice.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Priority signing: Mann

Should focus on keeping at market-value: Epps, Graham,

Would resign at a discount: Reed, Johnson, Goedert, Adoree

Would let walk: Dotson, Philips (injury history)

Mann is a sneaky need to bring back.

Bigger question mark is what do they do with Jake Elliott? Do they just live with his inconsistencies and play out his contract the next 2 years or do they eat his salary and bring in a good kicker?

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Mann is a sneaky need to bring back.

Bigger question mark is what do they do with Jake Elliott? Do they just live with his inconsistencies and play out his contract the next 2 years or do they eat his salary and bring in a good kicker?

Day 3 pick/priority UFA for a camp battle with Jake. Best man wins.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Mann is a sneaky need to bring back.

Bigger question mark is what do they do with Jake Elliott? Do they just live with his inconsistencies and play out his contract the next 2 years or do they eat his salary and bring in a good kicker?

Mann is a lock, he’s good and at a negligible cost. Jake will get himself some TC competition, these guys generally come out of nowhere as UFA.

I do think aj was on his best behavior when talking at the SB. I Ala think he believes some of the things he said I’m also guessing he and his agent are aware If he goes out and says, I want to be traded and create that circus. Probably actually makes it harder for the eagle to trade him. We all know the eagles are not gonna trade him unless they get what they seem as worthy value for him. You’re not gonna trade him if he kills his value and potential market saying he wants to be traded and all this other stuff at the Super Bowl.

I am curious to hear what is said at the combine cause that’s usually when you get a lot of rumors and things heat up

Interesting

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Interesting

This model has the commies trading jayden daniels for a 2nd round pick lmao

9 minutes ago, devpool said:

This model has the commies trading jayden daniels for a 2nd round pick lmao

Yeah i tried it. It’s a cool concept but unrealistic in a lot of things. Believe it also has things missing with rosters