2 hours ago, just relax said:

I agree with everything here and was not trying to say anything else. I am puzzled though that Patullo is still here. He's a PR nightmare, so why?

I will take a stab at this. I think the Eagles are closed tighter than a miser’s coinpurse to the media. Did you notice McLane’s tweet cited "NFL sources” on singleton and Moorehead? Not a huge fan but I do think he has better sources with the Birds than most of the Eagles beat reporters. So I think a lot of what is being report is speculation.

What we do know is that they removed Patullo from his OC role and that the hired Mannion. That’s what they announced. The Grizzard signing was so quick after Mannion that I have to believe Mannion had little to do with it. The Mahaffery hire suggests likely Mannion influence. The Kuper hire could have as much to do with Stoutland retiring or leaving and Vic’s familiarity with him as Mannion’s brief interaction.

There is the presumption that Micheal is gone.

This presumption by the media that this is now Mannion’s offense and his hires has no validation in what has transpired during Nick’s period here. The hires look collaborative by the management team, Lurie, Howie, Nick and to some degree Vic and Mannion.

I think there is a chance that Patullo resumes his role as sounding board/grounding for Nick. I believe the offense will envelope parts of Nick’s offense, bits they picked up along the way from past coordinators, like having a fullback (interestingly, that’s what the ground game coordinator played) from Moore. I think we will see pieces from what Mannion wants to do and pieces from Grizzard. But I believe this will continue to be a collaborative offensive approach. (I also don’t think McDaniel was ever in the running for OC because he doesn’t seem collaborative).

41 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

I'm looking at the two Baltimore guys, I'm not paying what the Tampa player will get but with his former coach now being here I wonder if that moves him up our FA board.

Pitts doesn't block and probably will get paid quite handsomely, I don't think he's a fit but Howie does like flash and he can be a pretty big playmaker going into the second part of his career. I'm curious if he has interest.

I would think Likely would be a good candidate. He had a limited role with the Ravens but was effective. He can block. He should cost less than Goedert and is younger.

5 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I will take a stab at this. I think the Eagles are closed tighter than a miser’s coinpurse to the media. Did you notice McLane’s tweet cited "NFL sources” on singleton and Moorehead? Not a huge fan but I do think he has better sources with the Birds than most of the Eagles beat reporters. So I think a lot of what is being report is speculation.

What we do know is that they removed Patullo from his OC role and that the hired Mannion. That’s what they announced. The Grizzard signing was so quick after Mannion that I have to believe Mannion had little to do with it. The Mahaffery hire suggests likely Mannion influence. The Kuper hire could have as much to do with Stoutland retiring or leaving and Vic’s familiarity with him as Mannion’s brief interaction.

There is the presumption that Micheal is gone.

This presumption by the media that this is now Mannion’s offense and his hires has no validation in what has transpired during Nick’s period here. The hires look collaborative by the management team, Lurie, Howie, Nick and to some degree Vic and Mannion.

I think there is a chance that Patullo resumes his role as sounding board/grounding for Nick. I believe the offense will envelope parts of Nick’s offense, bits they picked up along the way from past coordinators, like having a fullback (interestingly, that’s what the ground game coordinator played) from Moore. I think we will see pieces from what Mannion wants to do and pieces from Grizzard. But I believe this will continue to be a collaborative offensive approach. (I also don’t think McDaniel was ever in the running for OC because he doesn’t seem collaborative).

When McLane is reporting on something, it is because the person giving him the information wants him to make it public. He probably maintains relationships by checking in with the subjects of any report before making it.

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve said this before, some of this issue in of itself is his contract. If you look at his contract, he has $4 million guaranteed after 2026. He knows that and wants a new contract. I think some of this noise would be subdued if they gave him an extension. Wouldn’t do it as he’s 30 after this year. Do I think all of it? No. But I think a portion of this goes to the fact he knows he’s playing for an extension/new contract from somebody in 2027 and he needs to play at a high enough level to cash out on likely his last big payday.

I'm not sure if I'd do an extension and it's not because of his lack of effort last season. He'll be 29 in June and we don't throw the ball enough. Maybe the passing game increases and justifies it? He was only top 10 in targets once

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm not sure if I'd do an extension and it's not because of his lack of effort last season. He'll be 29 in June and we don't throw the ball enough. Maybe the passing game increases and justifies it? He was only top 10 in targets once

Oh, I don’t disagree with you. I don’t think the Eagles wanna give him an extension because he’s gonna be 30 and possibly on the decline. I think part of this is he knows that he needs his production to be better because he needs a new contract at the end of 2026. If his production has drops off three consecutive years and he’s turning 30 it hurts his last big payday

KP is still employed by the Eagles, and in the building??!! WTF.

What value can he possibly add??

Still nothing on QB coach yet.

22 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I would think Likely would be a good candidate. He had a limited role with the Ravens but was effective. He can block. He should cost less than Goedert and is younger.

I made a post about him in the IWTETG section.

OTC says his current contract value is only $4.1 million so maybe $10 - 12 for 2 years may pique his curiosity

8 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

KP is still employed by the Eagles, and in the building??!! WTF.

What value can he possibly add??

Is in the building based on a report?

12 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Is in the building based on a report?

There's been tweets saying he's still with the organization. Though it's unclear as to what he's doing

IMO, the most important components of this offseason are how Howie handles extensions.

We've got the most expensive offense in the NFL (and in need of an overhaul) and a defense full of studs on rookie deals that need to get paid. I do not envy Howie's task of reconciling that situation. Of course, he created it by giving out some bad money on offense and drafting so many studs on defense. To break it down by player:

Mitchell & Dejean: Need to be re-signed at all costs. Obviously not eligible right now, but it needs to occupy a fixed space in cap allocation for the 2027 offseason.

Jalen Carter: What I said about Mitchell/Dejean is what we all said about Carter last year. His net production in 2025 simply wasn't that good and was unquestionably very disappointing. Unless he's willing to take a huge discount, I think he needs to play out 2026. An immature DT who is a yellow flag magnet coming off a 3 sack season with shoulder issues simply does not get a mega contract until those concerns are emphatically dismissed in 2026.

Jordan Davis: he started out as a disappointing, out of shape draft pick. He transformed his body, his performance, and became a treasured personality, if not leader, in the locker room. That's someone that needs to be rewarded with an extension.

Nolan Smith: I am a huge Nolan Smith homer. I think there's more there and I think we saw it in the SB run. I worry he's either going to fade into less usage next year or break out and price himself out for the Eagles. But I understand it's tough to commit much money to him right now. If he were willing to agree on a very modest extension, I'd do it now. If not, then he's got to play out 2026 and see what happens.

Jaelan Phillips: take the comp pick. He was a noticeable boost when he first arrived, set the edge nicely...but he's definitively not a force as a pass rusher. Let someone else bet their cap on him staying healthy.

Goedert: walk. Can't spend more money on aging players on this offense.

Hurts: This is where it gets really interesting. Hurts doesn't deserve an extension. The overwhelming consensus here is not to do it, even amongst most in the pro-Hurts crowd. This scenario won't happen, but if Hurts were to approach the FO and offer a highly competitive deal that materially lowered his cap hit over the next 2-3 years to liberate Howie to actually add to this roster....that would be very appealing. You all know I don't want to extend the Eagles' commitment to Hurts. But if they could trim his number over the next couple years and reverse the cap strained efflux of talent, that is worth considering.

Cam Latu/BVS/Carson Steele. Provided BVS comes back and is healthy, I'm really interested to see what they have in store for these guys. I think Cam Latu was one of the most underutilized players on the team last year. It was clear as day that when he was in the game, the run game was better. The chance all 3 make the team is slim to none, but I can see 2 of them. Excited to see a FB role of some sort.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

IMO, the most important components of this offseason are how Howie handles extensions.

We've got the most expensive offense in the NFL (and in need of an overhaul) and a defense full of studs on rookie deals that need to get paid. I do not envy Howie's task of reconciling that situation. Of course, he created it by giving out some bad money on offense and drafting so many studs on defense. To break it down by player:

Mitchell & Dejean: Need to be re-signed at all costs. Obviously not eligible right now, but it needs to occupy a fixed space in cap allocation for the 2027 offseason.

Jalen Carter: What I said about Mitchell/Dejean is what we all said about Carter last year. His net production in 2025 simply wasn't that good and was unquestionably very disappointing. Unless he's willing to take a huge discount, I think he needs to play out 2026. An immature DT who is a yellow flag magnet coming off a 3 sack season with shoulder issues simply does not get a mega contract until those concerns are emphatically dismissed in 2026.

Jordan Davis: he started out as a disappointing, out of shape draft pick. He transformed his body, his performance, and became a treasured personality, if not leader, in the locker room. That's someone that needs to be rewarded with an extension.

Nolan Smith: I am a huge Nolan Smith homer. I think there's more there and I think we saw it in the SB run. I worry he's either going to fade into less usage next year or break out and price himself out for the Eagles. But I understand it's tough to commit much money to him right now. If he were willing to agree on a very modest extension, I'd do it now. If not, then he's got to play out 2026 and see what happens.

Jaelan Phillips: take the comp pick. He was a noticeable boost when he first arrived, set the edge nicely...but he's definitively not a force as a pass rusher. Let someone else bet their cap on him staying healthy.

Goedert: walk. Can't spend more money on aging players on this offense.

Hurts: This is where it gets really interesting. Hurts doesn't deserve an extension. The overwhelming consensus here is not to do it, even amongst most in the pro-Hurts crowd. This scenario won't happen, but if Hurts were to approach the FO and offer a highly competitive deal that materially lowered his cap hit over the next 2-3 years to liberate Howie to actually add to this roster....that would be very appealing. You all know I don't want to extend the Eagles' commitment to Hurts. But if they could trim his number over the next couple years and reverse the cap strained efflux of talent, that is worth considering.

You have to mention the injuries to Carter to be fair, it's one of the reasons if not the main reason, he did not have that great of a season.

Jalen Carter is a top 5 DT

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Jalen Carter is a top 5 DT

He has potential to be. We haven't seen it consistently yet between his young career and his injuries.

45 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Cam Latu/BVS/Carson Steele. Provided BVS comes back and is healthy, I'm really interested to see what they have in store for these guys. I think Cam Latu was one of the most underutilized players on the team last year. It was clear as day that when he was in the game, the run game was better. The chance all 3 make the team is slim to none, but I can see 2 of them. Excited to see a FB role of some sort.

BVS has proven to be too injury prone to rely on. Depending on the new OL coach's philosophy on OL size, Lampkin may be in the FB picture.

49 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

You have to mention the injuries to Carter to be fair, it's one of the reasons if not the main reason, he did not have that great of a season.

And would that make you feel better or worse about making him the highest paid defensive player in NFL history?

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Cam Latu/BVS/Carson Steele. Provided BVS comes back and is healthy, I'm really interested to see what they have in store for these guys. I think Cam Latu was one of the most underutilized players on the team last year. It was clear as day that when he was in the game, the run game was better. The chance all 3 make the team is slim to none, but I can see 2 of them. Excited to see a FB role of some sort.

I too wanted to see much more of Latu, Tank as well. I'm not sure if Mannion will utilize the FB. The Rams do not. I don't think GB does much either.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

And would that make you feel better or worse about making him the highest paid defensive player in NFL history?

Yes it does for me. It's not as if he just dropped off due to laziness, or the league caught up to him in anyway. His play diminished do to injury.

But that's a fair point, you could look to trade him now if you are not comfortable with his demeanor plus injury history combined with cost of a new contract. I'd imagine you could easily get a 1st rounder plus. Not saying I want too just commenting on your assessment. I am personally nervous of his shoulders, they never said what it was exactly...

My conspiracy theory is that they had a whole package of BVS plays on offense and his injury actually hurt their game planning early.

And asking the WR coach question another way:

If you knew a team had an excellent WR coach, what would you expect to see on the field?

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

My conspiracy theory is that they had a whole package of BVS plays on offense and his injury actually hurt their game planning early.

That was my thought as soon as the injury happened. I figured he was going to have a much bigger role this year not just as a blocker, but potentially touching the ball too. What percentage of the playbook had to be thrown out though, none of us will ever know.

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

There were 26 False start calls on the Eagles. https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/philadelphia-eagles?year=2025&view=penalties 7 were on WRs. https://www.nflpenalties.com/team/philadelphia-eagles?year=2025&view=players AJ had 4 but so did Landon Dickerson and Fred Johnson. Mailata had 3. They were near the bottom of the League for Falst Starts but it doesn't seem like a WR coaching issue.

Four seems like a stupidly high number for a WR who played only 15 games.

33 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

My conspiracy theory is that they had a whole package of BVS plays on offense and his injury actually hurt their game planning early.

And asking the WR coach question another way:

If you knew a team had an excellent WR coach, what would you expect to see on the field?

Don't forget about losing Johnny Wilson. He seemed to improved his catching and was a good blocker. Probably would have seen more of him and less of Calcaterra

2 hours ago, Khani1 said:

He has potential to be. We haven't seen it consistently yet between his young career and his injuries.

To be fair we haven't seen consistency from Davis and people are saying extend him 🤷‍♂️

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

IMO, the most important components of this offseason are how Howie handles extensions.

We've got the most expensive offense in the NFL (and in need of an overhaul) and a defense full of studs on rookie deals that need to get paid. I do not envy Howie's task of reconciling that situation. Of course, he created it by giving out some bad money on offense and drafting so many studs on defense. To break it down by player:

Mitchell & Dejean: Need to be re-signed at all costs. Obviously not eligible right now, but it needs to occupy a fixed space in cap allocation for the 2027 offseason.

Jalen Carter: What I said about Mitchell/Dejean is what we all said about Carter last year. His net production in 2025 simply wasn't that good and was unquestionably very disappointing. Unless he's willing to take a huge discount, I think he needs to play out 2026. An immature DT who is a yellow flag magnet coming off a 3 sack season with shoulder issues simply does not get a mega contract until those concerns are emphatically dismissed in 2026.

Jordan Davis: he started out as a disappointing, out of shape draft pick. He transformed his body, his performance, and became a treasured personality, if not leader, in the locker room. That's someone that needs to be rewarded with an extension.

Nolan Smith: I am a huge Nolan Smith homer. I think there's more there and I think we saw it in the SB run. I worry he's either going to fade into less usage next year or break out and price himself out for the Eagles. But I understand it's tough to commit much money to him right now. If he were willing to agree on a very modest extension, I'd do it now. If not, then he's got to play out 2026 and see what happens.

Jaelan Phillips: take the comp pick. He was a noticeable boost when he first arrived, set the edge nicely...but he's definitively not a force as a pass rusher. Let someone else bet their cap on him staying healthy.

Goedert: walk. Can't spend more money on aging players on this offense.

Hurts: This is where it gets really interesting. Hurts doesn't deserve an extension. The overwhelming consensus here is not to do it, even amongst most in the pro-Hurts crowd. This scenario won't happen, but if Hurts were to approach the FO and offer a highly competitive deal that materially lowered his cap hit over the next 2-3 years to liberate Howie to actually add to this roster....that would be very appealing. You all know I don't want to extend the Eagles' commitment to Hurts. But if they could trim his number over the next couple years and reverse the cap strained efflux of talent, that is worth considering.

The absolute locks coming from secondary is kind of funny if you think of Howie's drafting history. Still shocking that we got both in the same damn draft