1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I understand that, but you have to be at least a little concerned that there is a chance it may not look a lot different. Don't forget in 2024 when Moore was hired there was talk that "90% of the offense will be different" exact quote. Turns out it wasn't very different at all. I think there's more smoke this time around, especially with Stoutland going. And I do expect it to look different if I had to bet. But a lot of egos are involved and Sirianni is still the head coach and he kept some of his guys. Would I be surprised if it doesn't look close to as different next season as we all hoped? No, I wouldn't be surprised by that. I'm just pointing out, some coaches staying and some talk about meshing old with the new keeps some of those fears alive.

The 90% thing was terminology in calling the plays in the huddle. Hurts in that same press conference said something along the lines of: there are things every team does, core concepts but it may be disguised differently before the snap, there are different roles and responsibilities in blocking and routes for the receivers, and different terminology in what those are labeled.

No one truly knows what will happen with Mannion and Grizzard. The team obviously wants to change things up. So much that Stoutland quit. The quotes from this week are indicating change to the run game, change to scheme, change in usage of TEs...things we complained about last year.

There are always concerns and question marks, but we will just have to wait until training camp when we hear reports of what is changing and how the new offense looks.

a trade like this has much more likelihood of happening after June 1st. As far as Maxx’s 30 million it’s all base salary I think so howie could restructure his contract and work that into bonuses at a far less cap number.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The 90% thing was terminology in calling the plays in the huddle. Hurts in that same press conference said something along the lines of: there are things every team does, core concepts but it may be disguised differently before the snap, there are different roles and responsibilities in blocking and routes for the receivers, and different terminology in what those are labeled.

No one truly knows what will happen with Mannion and Grizzard. The team obviously wants to change things up. So much that Stoutland quit. The quotes from this week are indicating change to the run game, change to scheme, change in usage of TEs...things we complained about last year.

There are always concerns and question marks, but we will just have to wait until training camp when we hear reports of what is changing and how the new offense looks.

We all have no choice but to wait and see, but I'll say I didn't feel more confident and strongly coming off today that the offense would look totally different. Maybe I'm only very slightly less confident than I was a week ago, but I certainly didn't feel as good as I would have if I heard something like "This offense is going to look vastly different next season. We feel we needed to completely revamp the scheme and that's what we are going to do." And that doesn't mean it won't be that, but all we can do is go off vibes right now until late July.

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Could be wrong, but I’d think they’d restructure Crosby at that point , in effect using Jaelan Phillips money plus. I recall Crosby having an advantageous contract for his talent level.

Either way I don’t think we’re getting Crosby, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Raiders made a play for Brown.

They would absolutely restructure Crosby but the issue is you have to be cap compliant for the trade to process before you can restructure. So taking the Brown hit while absorbing Crosby's current contract would be impossible.

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Peters should have retired when he and everyone knew he declined

He was able to make a lot more money sticking around as long as he did in the league. Can't blame him for that.

For as much as folks talk about Phillips’ injury history, it seems many of those are also penciling in a Nolan Smith extension as if Smith hasn’t suffered a major injury in his last 3 years as a starter.

The only way I’d feel comfortable not making a major play at re-signing Phillips (besides a trade for an elite guy) is if I was 90% confident Hunt could reach another level as a pass rusher. I’m not anywhere close to that.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

We all have no choice but to wait and see, but I'll say I didn't feel more confident and strongly coming off today that the offense would look totally different. Maybe I'm only very slightly less confident than I was a week ago, but I certainly didn't feel as good as I would have if I heard something like "This offense is going to look vastly different next season. We feel we needed to completely revamp the scheme and that's what we are going to do." And that doesn't mean it won't be that, but all we can do is go off vibes right now until late July.

Ah..vibes.

Or quotes from the actual coaches and players maybe? Like the ones you posted earlier? (Also Barkley said he's excited about the new offense, that counts for vibes right?)

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Sirianni said they didn't go into the OC process fixated on the Shanahan scheme as "We have to have this scheme" but they went in really interested in exploring it and learning from those who coach it. And he said they finished the process being pretty bullish on it and really wanting it for their team.

Also became really interested in Mannion once they heard a lot of people in league circles talk him up.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Sirianni said he believes in the modern NFL the best way to run the ball is having a Shanahan style scheme, marrying the run and the pass, and it seems they believe very strongly about this is the scheme they need to run the ball effectively going forward.

47 minutes ago, NOTW said:

So they got rid of Patullo, brought in 2 different offensive minds from outside the organization, talk about changing to the Shanahan scheme, talk about changes to the run game, talk about changing the usage of TE personnel, but also that they will mesh with what's worked in the past and you're panicking and feeling bad vibes? Settle in man it's gonna be a long offseason.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They would absolutely restructure Crosby but the issue is you have to be cap compliant for the trade to process before you can restructure. So taking the Brown hit while absorbing Crosby's current contract would be impossible.

Yeah, the would need the Raiders to restructure the Crosby deal into a minimum salary and option bonus BEFORE trading him (option bonus paid after the trade date obviously).

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I don't get the Phillips hype. Probably because he disappeared in the end

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

He was able to make a lot more money sticking around as long as he did in the league. Can't blame him for that.

Understandable. Though unless he was horrible with managing his money then he should have been set for life before the decline

11 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

For as much as folks talk about Phillips’ injury history, it seems many of those are also penciling in a Nolan Smith extension as if Smith hasn’t suffered a major injury in his last 3 years as a starter.

The only way I’d feel comfortable not making a major play at re-signing Phillips (besides a trade for an elite guy) is if I was 90% confident Hunt could reach another level as a pass rusher. I’m not anywhere close to that.

We have a bunch of players that are injury prone

13 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Ah..vibes.

Or quotes from the actual coaches and players maybe? Like the ones you posted earlier? (Also Barkley said he's excited about the new offense, that counts for vibes right?)

So they got rid of Patullo, brought in 2 different offensive minds from outside the organization, talk about changing to the Shanahan scheme, talk about changes to the run game, talk about changing the usage of TE personnel, but also that they will mesh with what's worked in the past and you're panicking and feeling bad vibes? Settle in man it's gonna be a long offseason.

I'm going to be riding the roller coaster all offseason. I may fluctuate from projecting 7 wins to 12 wins by the day.

Would you do the deal?

TRADE PROPOSAL

Jets offer 1sr round pick, 2nd overall in the draft for:

Tanner McKee, Eagles 1st (23rd overall) and their 3rd round pick originally from the Jets (No. 68 overall, Haason Reddick Trade).

I would take that trade then trade down from #2 to pick up more picks.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't get the Phillips hype. Probably because he disappeared in the end

Understandable. Though unless he was horrible with managing his money then he should have been set for life before the decline

We have a bunch of players that are injury prone

I get the feeling that he was not the best at managing it.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't get the Phillips hype. Probably because he disappeared in the end

It’s clear for me as long as they’re comfortable with the health. He’s a perfect scheme fit in just about any scheme. Sets the edge, can drop, can rush outside and inside all at an above average level. The upside is the chance he regains his first half of 2023 form as a rusher now that he’s another year removed from his injury.

I want them to keep Reed Blankenship. Veteran, homegrown, captain. They got rid of CJGJ and lost his veteran presence and replaced him with a 2nd round pick who is still learning and growing into the role. Keep Reed for some consistency, and don't create another hole.

Phillips is a nice to have but they have Nolan Smith and Jalyx Hunt. Can't keep everybody.

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I get the feeling that he was not the best at managing it.

I remember that! I bet he got a deal though. Wonder if he still has it since he's been jumping from team to team since leaving

40 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wonder if this is just about this offseason or is it about the next two.

1 hour ago, paco said:

Jets offer a 2nd, I'm driving him to the airport personally.

I would rather it be a 2027 second.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

It’s clear for me as long as they’re comfortable with the health. He’s a perfect scheme fit in just about any scheme. Sets the edge, can drop, can rush outside and inside all at an above average level. The upside is the chance he regains his first half of 2023 form as a rusher now that he’s another year removed from his injury.

The health part is definitely the gamble. Though I think that's with most of our DEs. Perfect solution would be to get some healthy DEs. Likely a balance of cost vs quality. Though I guess that's better than health/availability vs quality?

I think they kinda need to keep Phillips. If he leaves, you probably have to go Edge in round 1, which means one fewer high draft pick to address OL. Hunt and Nolan is just not an acceptable starting pair of Edges. In fact, probably near the bottom of the NFL. And we should've learned out less last offseason by going in with them and trying to supplement with cheaper guys that miserably failed. The question is: will Phillips be worth the money he gets? Because I don't think there's a lock either.

52 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Well, I'm not going to start getting angry about a future hypothetical that hasn't happened.

Are you even a fan?!!!

I gotta say, EJ Smith is pretty terrible. I mean he's a good reporter, but his takes are awful.

Bo asked him today if he thinks Howie has a surprise Howie move up his sleeve this offseason that wows us and EJ said he thinks if it happens it will be more in the form of a trade said "I could see Howie trading AJ Brown for a late first, and then trading that first plus more picks to move up and draft Sadiq"

Dude... I wouldn't even take Sadiq at 23, let alone trade up for him. Let alone trade your best WR in franchise history and incur that pre June 1st cap hit plus multiple picks to move up for him. That might be the worst trade in franchise history. EJ consistently with the terrible ideas.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think they kinda need to keep Phillips. If he leaves, you probably have to go Edge in round 1, which means one fewer high draft pick to address OL. Hunt and Nolan is just not an acceptable starting pair of Edges. In fact, probably near the bottom of the NFL. And we should've learned out less last offseason by going in with them and trying to supplement with cheaper guys that miserably failed. The question is: will Phillips be worth the money he gets? Because I don't think there's a lock either.

I think they may pivot to Chubb - cheaper given his age (hopefully), has played with Vic and highly productive. 3 years, $36 million with the first 2 years guaranteed could be a nice "bargain" deal compared to JP.

Has Stoutland landed somewhere? Or he is taking a season off? If I am not mistaken, he is still under contract with the team. Taking a year off won't be too bad. It may also pay the way coming back after.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think they kinda need to keep Phillips. If he leaves, you probably have to go Edge in round 1, which means one fewer high draft pick to address OL. Hunt and Nolan is just not an acceptable starting pair of Edges. In fact, probably near the bottom of the NFL. And we should've learned out less last offseason by going in with them and trying to supplement with cheaper guys that miserably failed. The question is: will Phillips be worth the money he gets? Because I don't think there's a lock either.

I don't think you "have" to draft an Edge in round 1. You go with how you've rated your board. If there's a higher rated OT they love, they're taking him. Don't reach for an Edge player in round 1. You can get an Edge in other rounds who can contribute to the rotation. Certainly, if there's an Edge in round 1 they love and have highly rated, they'll take him. But reaching is what gets you JAGs or decent starters and missing out on stud players in round 1.

But I would like to see an Edge drafted this year regardless to add to the mix.

Carter being healthy likely helps everyone on Dline too. I know everyone will be worried about those shoulders for the foreseeable future though

Curious what Howie/Lurie do about defense when Vic retires. There are a lot of variables. Who replaces Vic and do they keep the same scheme? What do they do if the offense sucks and fire Nick. I think the defense has more core players. Would they go with a HC that would hire a DC that fits Vic's scheme? Would they allow the HC to hire a DC who would change the scheme?