1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I think you’re making this far more complicated than it needs to be. I don’t think this is some 4D chess move by Howie to offer some misdirection.

Did I say "misdirection”? (Subterfuge maybe.). Negotiations at that level involve understanding all the options.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s why JC for parsons made some sense. Parsons was 26 and a DPOY candidate every year. It’s why i didn’t buy he maxx Crosby for Carter and picks. Crosby is going to be 29 coming off knee surgery. I think they would’ve dealt for Crosby but I don’t think they were coming close to what the raiders wanted. 

Yep, agreed. This whole thing falls into the category of listening to offers on anyone versus shopping someone. If teams saw the Jordan Davis extension and started calling maybe you listen. If they chose Davis over him and are actually shopping him and plan to trade him that is questionable to say the least.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Carter’s fifth year option is projected to be $27.4M by the way.

I’m assuming they are going to get an extension done like they did with JD with the 5th year option kind of being included. That said good chance JC is going to get closer to 33-35 mil per year if he plays like he did in 2024 in 2026

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m assuming they are going to get an extension done like they did with JD with the 5th year option kind of being included. That said good chance JC is going to get closer to 33-35 mil per year if he plays like he did in 2024 in 2026

Just pointing out the number because people keep referencing that option, but that’s not a number the Eagles will want him at. Just too big of a cap number.

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

These are things that can be said to him directly and not through the media. I’m not buying it.

Any need to provide these external motivators are just red flags warning against committing huge money to him.

Jordan Davis' contact is already there as a carrot for carter. If the team thinks they need to do more that's not a good sign.

Just for the sake of conversation:

Would you prefer to have Moro Ojomo signed long term at a 20 million cap hit and two first round picks, OR Jalen Carter locked up long term at a 35 million cap hit?

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Just pointing out the number because people keep referencing that option, but that’s not a number the Eagles will want him at. Just too big of a cap number.

It gives them a security blanket of he still potentially here in 2027 regardless. That would be the worst case scenario him playing on that option. That said he’s either getting an extension in 2026 offseason or 2027 offseason or he’s getting dealt. I don’t see him playing under a 5th year option. But i can see the eagles using it as a tool to wait a year before giving him his extension

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Just for the sake of conversation:

Would you prefer to have Moro Ojomo signed long term at a 20 million cap hit and two first round picks, OR Jalen Carter locked up long term at a 35 million cap hit?

Thats tough, because Howie has been on a first round tear lately. Thatd be Campbell and Quinyon, or Jordan and Nolan, or Devonta and…. Devonta is enough.

But no question our window is now and JC gives us way more than the alternative in 2026 and 2027

I never felt the Carter for Parsons rumors were true because I don't think Howie would even pick up the phone unless any deal for Carter started with two 1sts, and Parsons got traded for two 1sts. So if you traded two 1sts and Carter that's the equivalent of like four 1sts. Even one 1st and Carter would be far more than the Packers paid and you'd be giving Carter to a division rival. There's no chance it went down like that. Maybe Howie talked about trading Carter for two 1sts to a 3rd team and then used those picks for Parsons.

Btw Jay Glazer said it was not Carter that the Eagles were dangling in the trade talks for him.

When it comes to smoke, for me to consider something actual smoke it needs to come from one of the top guys. And if it does come from one of the top guys it needs to be definitive. Like "The Eagles are shopping Jalen Carter"

Not "A couple teams called the Eagles."

I'm sure the Eagles get calls on a lot of players.

I will say this about the Jalen Carter conversation. I'm not sure how they are going to have the money / cap space to pay Jordan Davis 22 million per year (the contract is actually 22 per with the 5th year option baked in), pay Jaelen Phillips or another edge rusher around 20 million, pay Quinyon and Coop what they are going to get, AND pay Jalen Carter 30-35 million per year.

I am in the camp that short of a massive trade overpay you don't trade Jalen Carter period. However, Quinyon and Coop are the only two guys I would choose over Carter. There is zero chance in this version of the NFL that I am letting a top 3 CB and THE best slot corner in the NFL go for anyone. Also to be fair there is zero concern about Quinyon or Coop's character, work ethic, and ability to handle getting millions of dollars where it is fair to have some concern with Carter.

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I will say this about the Jalen Carter conversation. I'm not sure how they are going to have the money / cap space to pay Jordan Davis 22 million per year (the contract is actually 22 per with the 5th year option baked in), pay Jaelen Phillips or another edge rusher around 20 million, pay Quinyon and Coop what they are going to get, AND pay Jalen Carter 30-35 million per year.

I am in the camp that short of a massive trade overpay you don't trade Jalen Carter period. However, Quinyon and Coop are the only two guys I would choose over Carter. There is zero chance in this version of the NFL that I am letting a top 3 CB and THE best slot corner in the NFL go for anyone. Also to be fair there is zero concern about Quinyon or Coop's character, work ethic, and ability to handle getting millions of dollars where it is fair to have some concern with Carter.

Which is why I don’t want Phillips re-signed. We’d all rather have Carter than Phillips.

Just to rile everyone up a bit…

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Just now, Sack that QB said:

I never felt the Carter for Parsons rumors were true because I don't think Howie would even pick up the phone unless any deal for Carter started with two 1sts, and Parsons got traded for two 1sts. So if you traded two 1sts and Carter that's the equivalent of like four 1sts. Even one 1st and Carter would be far more than the Packers paid and you'd be giving Carter to a division rival. There's no chance it went down like that. Maybe Howie talked about trading Carter for two 1sts to a 3rd team and then used those picks for Parsons.

Btw Jay Glazer said it was not Carter that the Eagles were dangling in the trade talks for him.

When it comes to smoke, for me to consider something actual smoke it needs to come from one of the top guys. And if it does come from one of the top guys it needs to be definitive. Like "The Eagles are shopping Jalen Carter"

Not "A couple teams called the Eagles."

I'm sure the Eagles get calls on a lot of players.

The Eagles can't afford to give massive extensions to Davis, Carter, Phillips or a similar FA edge rusher, Ojomo, Quinyon, and Coop. Davis already got his extension. Quinyon and Coop are an absolute must period. That means you are starting to think about how you want to allocate cap dollars to the DL and someone has to go. The chances of them being cheap at edge rusher aren't very high to me so even if Phillips walks I would expect them to trade for Greenard or sign a Chubb or Gary which won't be cheap. This doesn't even take into Hunt and Smith and while neither one is likely to break the bank you have to keep one of them long term.

I think ultimately it comes down to Ojomo at around 20 million per year and whatever you could get in a trade for Carter in theory, versus Carter at around 35 million per year. I still want to keep Carter but the more I think and post about this the more I understand the possibility that it might make sense to at least explore what you could get for him in a trade. If someone is willing to give up two first round picks and a decent rotational piece at edge rusher or DT you have to at least think about it.

Look at it this way, would you rather have Ojomo, two first round picks, and a good rotational edge rusher or DT, or Jalen Carter with the cap number being relatively equal for Carter versus the other pieces? It's actually a fair thing to consider when you really think about it.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Just to rile everyone up a bit…

FanSided

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While A.J. Brown is the most popular Philadelphia Eagles trade candidate, Jalen Carter might be a more realistic player to be moved in the near future, since it

lol at that compensation

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Which is why I don’t want Phillips re-signed. We’d all rather have Carter than Phillips.

Agree. But I’d rather have an elite edge than Carter since they seem to have faith in Davis to play more. I’m not sure that’s possible and I don’t think Phillips is elite, but if they could make some wild trade I’d be fine giving Carter’s money to whoever they traded for.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Which is why I don’t want Phillips re-signed. We’d all rather have Carter than Phillips.

Sure, but Hunt, Smith, and a bargain basement edge rusher signing isn't nearly good enough for that position which is arguably more important than DT. Howie tried that strategy last off-season with Ojulari and Uche and ended up having to trade for Phillips. Even if they let Phillips walk they are going to have trade for Greenard or sign someone like Chubb or Gary none of which will be cheap either from a cap perspective.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

lol at that compensation

Yeah if Crosby got 2 1’s ain’t no way you can get Carter for a 2 and a 3.

Just now, T-1000 said:

Sure, but Hunt, Smith, and a bargain basement edge rusher signing isn't nearly good enough for that position which is arguably more important than DT. Howie tried that strategy last off-season with Ojulari and Uche and ended up having to trade for Phillips. Even if they let Phillips walk they are going to have trade for Greenard or sign someone like Chubb or Gary none of which will be cheap either from a cap perspective.

Tbh i rather sign Bradley chubb if Phillips walks. He is likely to be cheaper than Phillips in general and it doesn’t hurt our comp pick formula since the dolphins released him.

Just now, DaBirds said:

Agree. But I’d rather have an elite edge than Carter since they seem to have faith in Davis to play more. I’m not sure that’s possible and I don’t think Phillips is elite, but if they could make some wild trade I’d be fine giving Carter’s money to whoever they traded for.

Exactly. This is what I just posted. You can't make the same mistake from last off-season and go with Hunt, Smith, and a bargain signing or two at edge rusher. They are going to have to pay an edge rusher whether it's Phillips for 20-25 million, a trade for Greenard who is at 22 million, or someone like Chubb or Gary for 15+ million. Right or wrong the Eagles just signaled that they believe Davis's massive improvement this past season was just the start and that he can become a 3 down DT who can contribute as a pass rusher. That has definitely changed things a bit.

1 minute ago, goeagles5039 said:

Yeah if Crosby got 2 1’s ain’t no way you can get Carter for a 2 and a 3.

Jags don’t have a 1st which is why they are an awful trade partner. Unless you were getting something like Thomas jr, 2nd 2026 and a 1st in 2027. While on surface looks good, Thomas was not very good in his second year and those picks are at the end of each round

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Jags don’t have a 1st which is why they are an awful trade partner. Unless you were getting something like Thomas jr, 2nd 2026 and a 1st in 2027. While on surface looks good, Thomas was not very good in his second year and those picks are at the end of each round

That is not the type of trade I would make if I am giving up Carter. While I started discussing this with the idea that you don't trade Carter period, and through discussion have seen that there MIGHT be a pathway where it makes sense a trade like that isn't it. Someone would have to **** away to move him and by that I am talking two first round picks and probably a good rotational piece at either DT or Edge Rusher. In other words a Micah Parsons type package.

Just now, T-1000 said:

That is not the type of trade I would make if I am giving up Carter. While I started discussing this with the idea that you don't trade Carter period, and through discussion have seen that there MIGHT be a pathway where it makes sense a trade like that isn't it. Someone would have to **** away to move him and by that I am talking two first round picks and probably a good rotational piece at either DT or Edge Rusher. In other words a Micah Parsons type package.

IF Carter is to be traded, itll be cause of issues the eagles have with him. Issues which lower his trade value.

Theyre not trading an elite player just because...

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

That is not the type of trade I would make if I am giving up Carter. While I started discussing this with the idea that you don't trade Carter period, and through discussion have seen that there MIGHT be a pathway where it makes sense a trade like that isn't it. Someone would have to **** away to move him and by that I am talking two first round picks and probably a good rotational piece at either DT or Edge Rusher. In other words a Micah Parsons type package.

Frankly, it’s why I don’t think the jags are a good trade partner. They don’t have a 2026 first round pick. So unless you’re gonna take a 2027 and a 2028 first round pick for Carter, which doesn’t necessarily help you this year, I don’t see them being a good trade partner. The only thing I could think of that makes the Eagles more attracted to them is if the Eagles love Brian Thomas jr. and that also allows them to then trade AJ Brown and get the compensation for AJ Brown. Even then i don’t love that deal with the jags as those picks are likely back en of the rounds and Thomas was underwhelming this past year

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

IF Carter is to be traded, itll be cause of issues the eagles have with him. Issues which lower his trade value.

Theyre not trading an elite player just because...

Who said anything about "trading him just because?" Also, just because the Eagles hypothetically decide they think he is too risky to invest 35 million dollars a year into him doesn't mean some other team might disagree and be willing to sell the farm for him meaning his trade value isn't lowered. All it takes is one desperate team who has been terrible for years to think that Carter can change their franchise and make an offer the Eagles can't refuse. My point is I started talking about this about 20 minutes with a very "black and white approach" which is you don't trade Carter and the more I think about it and discuss it the more I realize this is an extremely nuanced discussion and decision for the Eagles.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Frankly, it’s why I don’t think the jags are a good trade partner. They don’t have a 2026 first round pick. So unless you’re gonna take a 2027 and a 2028 first round pick for Carter, which doesn’t necessarily help you this year, I don’t see them being a good trade partner. The only thing I could think of that makes the Eagles more attracted to them is if the Eagles love Brian Thomas jr. and that also allows them to then trade AJ Brown and get the compensation for AJ Brown. Even then i don’t love that deal with the jags as those picks are likely back en of the rounds and Thomas was underwhelming this past year

Yep. I'm not even considering trading Jalen Carter for anything less than a Micah Parsons like package which was a two first round picks and a quality defensive lineman.