14 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Eagles traded a 1st (18th) and 3rd rounder (101st) for a 24 year old stud AJ Brown. Why would he be worth more after a crappy 2025 season, where he ****ed and moaned all year and is turning 29 years old shortly. He's is not prime AJ Brown here. Clearly. Everyone is counting on a desperate Patriots offer here. I think they are not stupid. Don't see AJ Brown playing on 2026 Eagles without a new contract extension this Summer that guarantees him more money for 2027 and beyond. That's just never been his MO. He always chases the bag. The winning thing is BS with him. It's always about AJ.

Miami got a 1st and a 3rd for Waddle and a 4th. Brown is better than Waddle.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Miami got a 1st and a 3rd for Waddle and a 4th. Brown is better than Waddle.

1) The 4th was a swap where Broncos moved up 19 spots. (Late 5th rounder value- equivalence in points scale)

2) The 1st and 3rd here is by name only. Close to an early 2nd and early 4th.

3) 2025 stats of Waddle and Brown are very similar, with Waddle playing on a terrible Dolphins team with a bad QB who just got cut for a major dead cap hit.

4) Waddle is 1.5 years younger and has better/more years ahead and possibly more upside.

5) Waddle contract situation very different and lower risk going forward.

6) Waddle is low maintenance.

Alright. Next...

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Essentially, each play in today’s flag football is a hot read… so how has Jalen handled that it past? Does he do a good job getting the ball out quickly in general? Should we expect much different results in the future?

Exactly

29 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Jordan van den Berg is a mid round DT I wouldn't be surprised if we took a flyer on.

yep. 2nd biggest freak OT of all time, 2nd only to Jordan Davis. He put up a bunch of bench reps too and it alway seemed like the eagles targeted those DTs with a lot of bench reps.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yep. 2nd biggest freak OT of all time, 2nd only to Jordan Davis. He put up a bunch of bench reps too and it alway seemed like the eagles targeted those DTs with a lot of bench reps.

yeah he was like 1st in TFL and top 5 or 10 in pass rush win rate. only 3 sacks but think that's all Jalen Carter had his last year at UGA also

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yep. 2nd biggest freak OT of all time, 2nd only to Jordan Davis. He put up a bunch of bench reps too and it alway seemed like the eagles targeted those DTs with a lot of bench reps.

Durant has Eagles written all over him. Little short but fast. Seemingly a fit as a combo 3/4 DE/rush DT. This is the season the Eagles prepare for possible Ojomo departure. Given Howie tends to try to draft replacements a year early, this draft has OLB/Edge, developmental CB, S, IOL, TE, WR and possibly backup QB as next year needs. He won’t fill all those but that will go into the BAP formula. Last year, that included OT (Hinton and Williams) and a swing at back up CB (McWilliams). Also Hook and Brandon Johnson at S in UDFAs. Plus Mukuba at S in draft, Robinson (fast 3/4 DE/DT). Not all of these swings develop but that is the Howie Day 3/UDFA approach.

Of note, Becton remains on the market as well as Fred Johnson.

4 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Durant has Eagles written all over him. Little short but fast. Seemingly a fit as a combo 3/4 DE/rush DT. This is the season the Eagles prepare for possible Ojomo departure. Given Howie tends to try to draft replacements a year early, this draft has OLB/Edge, developmental CB, S, IOL, TE, WR and possibly backup QB as next year needs. He won’t fill all those but that will go into the BAP formula. Last year, that included OT (Hinton and Williams) and a swing at back up CB (McWilliams). Also Hook and Brandon Johnson at S in UDFAs. Plus Mukuba at S in draft, Robinson (fast 3/4 DE/DT). Not all of these swings develop but that is the Howie Day 3/UDFA approach.

Like Durant and Halton. Even at 5'11'' love Landon Robinson from Navy.

But Vandenberg is a literal freak. 9.99 RAS I believe. And the flashes of dominance were on the field. I think Georgia Tech held back his greatness to an extent.

Love that I have been training Elon’s algorithm to give me football draft tweets. But I have also been working on humor too. Points to Twitter for this one

Okay, @HazletonEagle , you focus some on RBs. What is your read on this guy? Vision?

Sounds like a word to describe many a Blog poster.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Like Durant and Halton. Even at 5'11'' love Landon Robinson from Navy.

But Vandenberg is a literal freak. 9.99 RAS I believe. And the flashes of dominance were on the field. I think Georgia Tech held back his greatness to an extent.

Vandenberg is a six year college player. Can't find his birthdate but he has to be at least 24 if not 25. Didn't play much at Penn State then transferred to Ga. Tech. May be worth a day three low round flier.

37 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

Vandenberg is a six year college player. Can't find his birthdate but he has to be at least 24 if not 25. Didn't play much at Penn State then transferred to Ga. Tech. May be worth a day three low round flier.

Hate all the old guys this year. I though last year was supposed to be the last class affected by the extra covid year but theres more old guys than ever this year it feels like.

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

The teams that would be bidding for AJ Brown is drying up due to teams grabbing other WRs and spending that cap space already. And the draft is still coming. I'm not sure Howie is being that smart here. It's more that people are not seeing this whole proposition being worth the risk. Giving up high draft compensation and having to cater to AJ Brown and his likely contract demands. Patriots don't have to budge before June 1st. The price will go down as will the bidders. I think the Patriots are playing this the best! They are waiting it out on their terms. Eagles will not get a 1st and 2nd rounder which is Howie's supposed ask here.

The Eagles do not value a first round pick in the 2026 draft more than the $20 million in dead cap space the trade would incur. They would rather have the flexibility to extend and add players this offseason that they would not be able to add with a trade prior to June 1st. Why did Howie want a first and 2nd before June 1st? Because not only does he have to make up for the loss of AJ Brown, he also has to make up for the loss of cap space to add talent this offseason.

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The Eagles do not value a first round pick in the 2026 draft more than the $20 million in dead cap space the trade would incur. They would rather have the flexibility to extend and add players this offseason that they would not be able to add with a trade prior to June 1st. Why did Howie want a first and 2nd before June 1st? Because not only does he have to make up for the loss of AJ Brown, he also has to make up for the loss of cap space to add talent this offseason.

Remember, he will simultaneously complain about Howie not signing every FA out there and not taking a $20mm incremental cap hit to trade AJ now. Of course, trading AJ pre June 1 would mean they couldn't have signed Woolen most likely or really anyone else (even with bringing back DG, they would have used 20 of roughly 30 of functional cap space to trade AJ). But he's just big mad and wants to cry - reality be damned.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Let the guys in NY fix the errors made by the substitute referees.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The Eagles do not value a first round pick in the 2026 draft more than the $20 million in dead cap space the trade would incur. They would rather have the flexibility to extend and add players this offseason that they would not be able to add with a trade prior to June 1st. Why did Howie want a first and 2nd before June 1st? Because not only does he have to make up for the loss of AJ Brown, he also has to make up for the loss of cap space to add talent this offseason.

I get all of that. Howie could want whatever he desires. They could care less about our dead cap space situation and will just wait it out as he gets cheaper. What is the Patriots rush? I don't want Howie to trade him earlier as a matter of fact. Rather have cap space and do it post June 1st. Which will be for less compensation. The risk is there are only a couple teams left in the hat from what we can see. Maybe. Rams supposedly are out. As are the Bills. The teams that are on the cusp, who could sell out here and pay the best compensation. Making a post June 1st trade will lower his value and gets only harder to trade him with less teams in the bidding.

I looked at what Waddle value was on the points scale. About the 26/27th pick of the draft. So equivalent value of a late 1st rounder is where this may end up. In theory, that could be an early 2nd rounder and early 4th rounder (or young NFL player on a roster valued at that). People here want to make it sound like Howie's playing this like some genius. Pats are playing this amazingly and will most likely not budge and will get him for significantly less than a 1st and 2nd. Will see. Can't determine how much of a genius he is here yet. He can't be too much of a genius because he's about to eat all kinds of dead cap space (43M) to trade AJ.

11 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I get all of that. Howie could want whatever he desires. They could care less about our dead cap space situation and will just wait it out as he gets cheaper. What is the Patriots rush? I don't want Howie to trade him earlier as a matter of fact. Rather have cap space and do it post June 1st. Which will be for less compensation. The risk is there are only a couple teams left in the hat from what we can see. Maybe. Rams supposedly are out. As are the Bills. The teams that are on the cusp, who could sell out here and pay the best compensation. Making a post June 1st trade will lower his value and gets only harder to trade him with less teams in the bidding. I looked at what Waddle value was on the points scale. About the 26/27th pick of the draft. So equivalent value of a late 1st rounder is where this may end up. In theory, that could be an early 2nd rounder and early 4th rounder (or young NFL player on a roster valued at that). People here want to make it sound like Howie's playing this like some genius. Pats are playing this amazingly and will most likely not budge and will get him for significantly less than a 1st and 2nd. Will see. Can't determine how much of a genius he is here yet.

The reason the dead cap matters is that is why Howie's asking price is high. The Eagles have no incentive to trade him before June 1st. I don't think free agency and the draft significantly change Brown's value from a player value perspective.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

The reason the dead cap matters is that is why Howie's asking price is high. The Eagles have no incentive to trade him before June 1st. I don't think free agency and the draft significantly change Brown's value from a player value perspective.

I am just evaluating the situation and how the eventual return here for AJ Brown will not be what people thought all along here. Some are overrating him here as well. I don't believe he's worth 2 high picks under any scenario. And I'm sure no one will pay it. Bottom line.

Also, the echo chamber in here last year said there was no way AJ would be traded til after the 2026 season and I had to point out that 2025 was his last season as an Eagle for oh so many reasons, regardless of the dead cap hit. Been saying that all year.

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I am just evaluating the situation and how the eventual return here for AJ Brown will not be what people thought all along here. Some are overrating him here as well. I don't believe he's worth 2 high picks under any scenario. And I'm sure no one will pay it. Bottom line.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Remember, he will simultaneously complain about Howie not signing every FA out there and not taking a $20mm incremental cap hit to trade AJ now. Of course, trading AJ pre June 1 would mean they couldn't have signed Woolen most likely or really anyone else (even with bringing back DG, they would have used 20 of roughly 30 of functional cap space to trade AJ). But he's just big mad and wants to cry - reality be damned.

So I never disagreed with your math or any of the proformas you posted because it generally made sense to me and didn't see anything out of line. The only thing I disagreed was the chance % AJ could be traded pre-June 1.

With that said, I find it interesting that OTC and Spotrac both have the Eagles currently at $33M in cap space, including the Woolen signing along with all the other guys, as well as re-signing Goedert, Mann. That's enough to trade AJ now, have all those guys on the team, have $5M for rookies and $5M for in season and still be left over with $3M or so. They even have Dalton at his full $4M which could be adjusted to open up another $2M. Any idea how they got there? Obviously the Davis extension and Goedert re-signing helped but the other moves they made like Dickerson and Elliott pay cuts didn't seem to have that big of an impact.

19 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Was also the reason we passed on Justin Jefferson.

The reason we passed on Justin Jefferson is because Howie and Co. haven't been able to identify and draft WRs worth anything in a really long time. Yes, I know all about Devonta. He's the outlier. They landed the Heisman Trophy winner the year after flubbing on Jefferson. Would have been rather hard to mess that one up.

But, you discount Smith, and you have a pile of nothing at WR via the draft. Nothing.