I’m warming up to taking Sadiq if he’s there as well. Do I normally think a TE is worth a 1 rounder? No. But I love the idea of a guy who can block in-line and down the field, 4.3 speed, routes, YAC. Has the ability to affect every play.

4 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

I’m warming up to taking Sadiq if he’s there as well. Do I normally think a TE is worth a 1 rounder? No. But I love the idea of a guy who can block in-line and down the field, 4.3 speed, routes, YAC. Has the ability to affect every play.

I feel like these "freak athlete” tight ends that get drafted in round 1 typically underwhelm

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I feel like these "freak athlete” tight ends that get drafted in round 1 typically underwhelm

Just looking at the stats, Sadiq’s longest play this year was only 30yds. Oregon didn’t mix him into the run game. Production-wise he mirrors Sam Roush, who’s kind of a run of the mill prospect athletically with 4.7 speed. So, you’re not exactly getting Tyler Warren here who had double the yardage his final year at PSU. With a 1st round pick we’d be betting heavily that he’ll be a better pro than he was at the college level.

28 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Just looking at the stats, Sadiq’s longest play this year was only 30yds. Oregon didn’t mix him into the run game. Production-wise he mirrors Sam Roush, who’s kind of a run of the mill prospect athletically with 4.7 speed. So, you’re not exactly getting Tyler Warren here who had double the yardage his final year at PSU. With a 1st round pick we’d be betting heavily that he’ll be a better pro than he was at the college level.

Yeah, production is what gives some scouts pause.

But betting on him to become an even better pro is a solid bet considering he is only 21 years old.

One thing could be utilization in different offenses. But another can be him still learning to get better with route running, and a feel for the game, finding the zones to settle down in and easy stuff like that.

With his athleticism, would there be any reason to believe he cant actually stretch the field and average a higher YPR? I cant see why not.

I say all that, and hes not my primary target. Right now Im pretty settled that the best sequence of picks considering the way the board goes on our mock games, looks to be S, Edge, WR, then you gotta start checking the board to determine whether OL or TE or CB need to come next.

And with that said, Ill still be ecstatic if they do pick Sadiq.

since people are talking about Chris Bell lately heres a new vid

You can watch Chris Bell and its really easy to envision him in the rams offense doing exactly what Puka does. So if you want a Puka in our offense....

3 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I feel like these "freak athlete” tight ends that get drafted in round 1 typically underwhelm

The economics scream "NO TE" in the first round. You can buy a very good TE in free agency for about half of what it would cost to buy a player at a premium position.

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

IIRC, they both had a minimal impact. But to answer your real question, neither of those things had any material impact on our ability to sign players.

And the "real question" is the point.....love when people post on here that these extensions were useless and they caused us not to be able to sign our departing free agents, this type of thinking is right up there with the "journalists" saying that AJ was going to get traded prior to June 1st (like that was EVER going to happen).

17 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The economics scream "NO TE" in the first round. You can buy a very good TE in free agency for about half of what it would cost to buy a player at a premium position.

Pick 23 is far outside the blue-chip area. There's a big difference between using a late 1st or a top 5 pick.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Just looking at the stats, Sadiq’s longest play this year was only 30yds. Oregon didn’t mix him into the run game. Production-wise he mirrors Sam Roush, who’s kind of a run of the mill prospect athletically with 4.7 speed. So, you’re not exactly getting Tyler Warren here who had double the yardage his final year at PSU. With a 1st round pick we’d be betting heavily that he’ll be a better pro than he was at the college level.

Yeah, no thanks to that.

33 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The economics scream "NO TE" in the first round. You can buy a very good TE in free agency for about half of what it would cost to buy a player at a premium position.

I thought Warren was definitely worthy of a first round pick last year but mostly I feel like they’re over drafted. Bowers definitely was worth a first round pick too.

Most of the time you’re just getting an exceptionally athletic slot receiver that has OK at best hands and route running ability while being a questionable blocker.

And every now and then you’ll get a guy who everyone raves about their blocking ability… but why use a first round pick on a TE who’s best ability is their blocking…

34 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

And the "real question" is the point.....love when people post on here that these extensions were useless and they caused us not to be able to sign our departing free agents, this type of thinking is right up there with the "journalists" saying that AJ was going to get traded prior to June 1st (like that was EVER going to happen).

I don't think those contracts removed the ability to keep players in FA. That was preparing for the big upcoming contracts like Carter. I do think they were useless to give money to injured players on Oline

11 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I brought him up the other day and JR said ponderous.

Even from 1 clip, I could see his footwork has slow and sloppy. I'd assume he's used to using his size as a get out jail card; won't work against the big kids.

4 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I feel like these "freak athlete” tight ends that get drafted in round 1 typically underwhelm

Hard to argue this. I like him better than those guys as a blocker though. Kinda love the idea of having a do it all TE with his skill set. Only issue I see is the arm length (not as big an issue as other positions, but I’d like a bigger catch radius + more margin for error as a blocker), and I’m curious why he wasn’t used more.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The economics scream "NO TE" in the first round. You can buy a very good TE in free agency for about half of what it would cost to buy a player at a premium position.

You can clearly see with safety as an example that the "non premium position”market has caught up. Will happen with TE too when the next juggernaut TE gets extended. Will happen at nickel when DeJean gets extended.

13 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He was last years winner for some reason

What do you mean "for some reason”?

It’s WIP. That reason is obvious.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

You can watch Chris Bell and its really easy to envision him in the rams offense doing exactly what Puka does. So if you want a Puka in our offense....

Depends on who he decides to bite.

3 minutes ago, paco said:

What do you mean "for some reason”?

It’s WIP. That reason is obvious.

Some?

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

You can watch Chris Bell and its really easy to envision him in the rams offense doing exactly what Puka does. So if you want a Puka in our offense....

Will never happen. Owner and GM are Jewish and can’t risk getting bit.

49 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

And the "real question" is the point.....love when people post on here that these extensions were useless and they caused us not to be able to sign our departing free agents, this type of thinking is right up there with the "journalists" saying that AJ was going to get traded prior to June 1st (like that was EVER going to happen).

You can't just look at his ability to sign guys for 2025. There's the long term implications of using cap space (with Jurgens signing mainly). Having to figure out how this affects the core signings that need to be made in the future. That part of the equation, if Jurgens was part of the core could have been put on hold. Just like they did with Dean and his injury situation. Also, Howie/Lurie had to give up cold hard cash in signing bonuses to both guys equaling around $25M. Then gave Baun a $15.5 million bonus at the same time. So that can affect your ability to give signing bonuses to higher ticket free agents especially & long term deals (I.e. MW or JS). It's not an unlimited budget. Every move matters in the big picture and with roster construction. Being that they already tied up a ton of money on OL, I am waiting here.

My main point there though was if Jurgens was dehabilitated with a back injury and could barely walk by the end of the season, why rush the deal? The guy had many previous injuries as well throughout his entire football career and fell apart after just 1 year as starting center. If he doesn't come through this year he is a $22M cap hit in 2027, which does domino into hampering signings there. At the same time, you may be incurring major dead cap hits with AJ and potentially others. Besides these moves, I just think Howie was all over the dang place last year tinkering with a dominant Superbowl roster and seemed too eager to press all kinds of buttons. There were sound moves to make to keep this thing going and he missed the mark overall. He was chasing his tail trying to correct missed moves all season. Howie's execution was off. It happens...

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Just looking at the stats, Sadiq’s longest play this year was only 30yds. Oregon didn’t mix him into the run game. Production-wise he mirrors Sam Roush, who’s kind of a run of the mill prospect athletically with 4.7 speed. So, you’re not exactly getting Tyler Warren here who had double the yardage his final year at PSU. With a 1st round pick we’d be betting heavily that he’ll be a better pro than he was at the college level.

I think there is some data that suggest TE production in college is less of a predictor than athletic ability.

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The economics scream "NO TE" in the first round. You can buy a very good TE in free agency for about half of what it would cost to buy a player at a premium position.

Pick 23 signed for 4 years and $17.5 million last season. So a premium TE on a rookie contract is still a money saving deal. I think the question is whether they think there is a talent drop off after him in the draft. It's similar to the 2022 draft when the consensus was that there was a big drop off in talent after pick 14.

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Eagles love trotting out severely injured players it seems. From Dickerson, to Jurgens to Jalen Carter. These guys are probably all compromised from having full careers at this point. I am not signing Carter this offseason. Needs to produce next season and play all the games.