I think some fans are still stuck in years past when there were a lot of really great QBs and more elite QBs. That was like 20 years ago. Long gone are the days of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, McNabb, etc.

As vikas said, today we have Mahomes and...a few guys who are talented but have won nothing, a few guys who are good and have talent around them but have won nothing. Then the rest. Daniel Jones and Kirk Cousins are out here getting huge contracts. The 4 QBs in the conference games last year were: Drake Maye, Jarrett Stidham (stepping in for Bo Nix), Matthew Stafford and Sam Darnold.

"If _____ were on the Eagles..." so you're saying those QBs need talent around them to win too. Because they're not winning now. Why haven't Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Stafford, Herbert, etc. put the team on their backs and won? People cite their supporting cast in O line, receivers, defense...so.....they need talent around them to win.

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s crazy to me that there is a timeline a kicker was not only taken in the first round, but was also in the teens. I wish the internet was bigger back then for all the reactions.

He was taken in the teens while he was still in trouble for attempting to bribe a cop.

F’n Al Davis man…..

5 hours ago, paco said:

Booty booty booty booty rockin’ everywhere!

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I couldn't imagine the discourse with this Hurts story if McKee had lit up Washington in week 18.

I do think this is a massive season coming up for Hurts and will dictate his future with the team. I think a lot of people gloss over 2024 because they won a Super Bowl, but Saquon running for 2,000+ yards masked a lot of the inefficiencies with the passing game. It helped that Hurts had two of his best games of the year back to back against Washington in the NFCCG and KC in the Super Bowl, but this was still a bottom half passing team. And it's been that way since 2023.

I'm not saying McKee is the answer or even a good QB.

BUT he was playing with 3rd string/PS guys vs Washington's starters. Thats like comparting Apples to a pencil. Would be more of a comparison if McKee had a shot with the starters and a full weeks of practice with them to get a real look. So in most cases people didnt put much stock into that game either way. They only people who did are the Jalen die hard supporters

7 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

What will be the answer next year if they move on from him? It's hard to get a good QB after the top 10 or so and I'm not aware of available vets or potential trades.

If they move on from Hurts it means they've traded him, he'll bring back at least 1 first just because of past achievements. Use that and their current first to move up for a QB or they can try the 2nd or 3rd round, again they don't need a superstar QB. They need a Brock Purdy. You can find good enough dudes in the second (where hurts was drafted). And maybe a QB shakes free after this season, or McKee steps up and can run the offense.

A few different options, and of course this is assuming that hurts looks mediocre again so we would be looking at replacement level QBs

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think some fans are still stuck in years past when there were a lot of really great QBs and more elite QBs. That was like 20 years ago. Long gone are the days of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, McNabb, etc.

As vikas said, today we have Mahomes and...a few guys who are talented but have won nothing, a few guys who are good and have talent around them but have won nothing. Then the rest. Daniel Jones and Kirk Cousins are out here getting huge contracts. The 4 QBs in the conference games last year were: Drake Maye, Jarrett Stidham (stepping in for Bo Nix), Matthew Stafford and Sam Darnold.

"If _____ were on the Eagles..." so you're saying those QBs need talent around them to win too. Because they're not winning now. Why haven't Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Stafford, Herbert, etc. put the team on their backs and won? People cite their supporting cast in O line, receivers, defense...so.....they need talent around them to win.

But they don't need elite talent. If joe Burrow had even an average defense he would probably have at least one super bowl and many more playoff appearances. Same with Josh allen, whose best receiver has been Stefon diggs. Daniel Jones went on a heater with one good receiver and Jonathan Taylor.

No one says those guys can win by themselves, but they dont need AS MUCH talent around them as a sam darnold would

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

If they move on from Hurts it means they've traded him, he'll bring back at least 1 first just because of past achievements. Use that and their current first to move up for a QB or they can try the 2nd or 3rd round, again they don't need a superstar QB. They need a Brock Purdy. You can find good enough dudes in the second (where hurts was drafted). And maybe a QB shakes free after this season, or McKee steps up and can run the offense.

A few different options, and of course this is assuming that hurts looks mediocre again so we would be looking at replacement level QBs

I hope we cut to the chase and Mannion just makes McKee the starter. It should be clear all offseason which QB is more suited for the offense and it wont be brows.

Just now, devpool said:

But they don't need elite talent. If joe Burrow had even an average defense he would probably have at least one super bowl and many more playoff appearances. Same with Josh allen, whose best receiver has been Stefon diggs. Daniel Jones went on a heater with one good receiver and Jonathan Taylor.

No one says those guys can win by themselves, but they dont need AS MUCH talent around them as a sam darnold would

Burrow has great receivers and just needs a defense. Josh Allen just needs...

so again the argument is Hurts won a SB but he had more talent around him...and these other QBs...if only they had more talent around them...see? Hurts isn't a top passer so the passing game would improve with some other QBs, but you may lose the winning & clutch factors also.

We'll see how Hurts does in this new offense, and we may see how a new QB does a year or 2 after. But unless we see Allen, Burrow or Herbert on the Eagles it's hypothetical.

37 minutes ago, NOTW said:

We'll see how Hurts does in this new offense, and we may see how a new QB does a year or 2 after. But unless we see Allen, Burrow or Herbert on the Eagles it's hypothetical.

The Eagles will never acquire any of those QBs; it’s not what they do. During the Lurie/Howie era they’ve always drafted and developed QBs. Vick is the only QB brought in as a free agent who started for any length of time. Even when Chip traded Foles for Bradford, Sam only lasted one season before the Eagles drafted Wentz — and that was before a worthwhile starting QB carried a $40M+ price tag.

If Sirianni isn’t shown the door before Hurts it’ll be interesting to see who the Eagles next drafted QB1 is. If Sirianni is still here I’d bet his choice of QB would be more in the Luck/Rivers style than a dual threat QB. Sirianni’s biggest problem is he’s not a QB whisperer, so when the Eagles move on from Hurts the next QB/head coach match is likely not part of the organization yet.

1 hour ago, devpool said:

But they don't need elite talent. If joe Burrow had even an average defense he would probably have at least one super bowl and many more playoff appearances. Same with Josh allen, whose best receiver has been Stefon diggs. Daniel Jones went on a heater with one good receiver and Jonathan Taylor.

No one says those guys can win by themselves, but they dont need AS MUCH talent around them as a sam darnold would

If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Burrow has great receivers and just needs a defense. Josh Allen just needs...

so again the argument is Hurts won a SB but he had more talent around him...and these other QBs...if only they had more talent around them...see? Hurts isn't a top passer so the passing game would improve with some other QBs, but you may lose the winning & clutch factors also.

We'll see how Hurts does in this new offense, and we may see how a new QB does a year or 2 after. But unless we see Allen, Burrow or Herbert on the Eagles it's hypothetical.

Winning used to be a QB stat and massive feather in their cap.......until Hurts started doing it. It's just amazing how "Hurts only wins because of the talent around him" but when other so called elite QB's don't win it's because "they just need more talent around them." People love to have it both ways.

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think some fans are still stuck in years past when there were a lot of really great QBs and more elite QBs. That was like 20 years ago. Long gone are the days of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, McNabb, etc.

As vikas said, today we have Mahomes and...a few guys who are talented but have won nothing, a few guys who are good and have talent around them but have won nothing. Then the rest. Daniel Jones and Kirk Cousins are out here getting huge contracts. The 4 QBs in the conference games last year were: Drake Maye, Jarrett Stidham (stepping in for Bo Nix), Matthew Stafford and Sam Darnold.

"If _____ were on the Eagles..." so you're saying those QBs need talent around them to win too. Because they're not winning now. Why haven't Burrow, Allen, Lamar, Stafford, Herbert, etc. put the team on their backs and won? People cite their supporting cast in O line, receivers, defense...so.....they need talent around them to win.

Winner winner chicken dinner. There is no better example of how dumb people are than their love and obsession with Justin Herbert in context of the unfair scrutiny that Hurts gets. Hurts doesn't fit the mold and doesn't put up big fantasy numbers. Herbert is a 6'6 white boy with long flow locks and a rocket arm that can make every throw. He will shred a random defense in November for 350 yards and 4 TD's. Meanwhile, he has been in the league for SIX years and has ZERO playoff wins. Let me say that again, ZERO playoff wins. His weapons over the years have been Austin Ekeler, Keenan Allen, Ladd McConkey, Quentin Johnston, Mike Williams, etc. John Harbaugh has been his coach for the last two seasons. Yet there is EVERY single excuse under the sun for why a 28 year old QB with six NFL seasons has ZERO playoff wins.

Meanwhile at 27 years old and with 5 seasons as a starter Hurts has 6 playoff wins, two SB appearances, one SB win, and one SB MVP but there is every excuse under the sun for why he deserves little to no credit for a lot of people. But hey, he doesn't slin it like Herbert on a Thursday night game in the middle of the season against the Raiders or some other trash team.

You FN nerds can have your fantasy god, 6'6 white boy with flowing locks QB who hasn't won a thing, I will take the guy who FN wins and continues to do it with everyone questioning him at every turn. The double standard is laughable and a lot of fans and media members in Philadelphia specifically don't deserve to have Hurts as QB1

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Burrow has great receivers and just needs a defense. Josh Allen just needs...

so again the argument is Hurts won a SB but he had more talent around him...and these other QBs...if only they had more talent around them...see? Hurts isn't a top passer so the passing game would improve with some other QBs, but you may lose the winning & clutch factors also.

We'll see how Hurts does in this new offense, and we may see how a new QB does a year or 2 after. But unless we see Allen, Burrow or Herbert on the Eagles it's hypothetical.

That's the way it is around here. Unless you win with scrubs you suck as a QB

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You FN nerds can have your fantasy god, 6'6 white boy with flowing locks QB who hasn't won a thing,

I had Herbert last year he was abysmal in fantasy lol.

Just a couple late night trade ideas.

Tanner and our own 1st to move up to #16 Jets. Trade chart value difference of 240 points = 6th pick of the 3rd round.

Or

Tanner and our own 2nd to move up to #33 Jets. Trade chart value difference of 220 points = 10th pick of the 3rd round.

I think I prefer option #2. That's typically a valuable pick and Howie could possibly trade back up for someone they love whom falls giving the team two 1st round players, just stay put again if someone falls or collect a quality trade package to move back as that's always a valued slot.

Problem is Jets may not even want Tanner at this stage, they seem to be in full on tank mode with Geno at the helm to secure a top 2 pick again for their QB.

How would you feel if the Eagles first 3 picks were Max Iheanachor, Max Klare, Chris Bell?

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

How would you feel if the Eagles first 3 picks were Max Iheanachor, Max Klare, Chris Bell?

hopeful but unsure.

Project

Awesome

Project

is a risky way to begin the draft.

4 hours ago, NOTW said:

I think some fans are still stuck in years past when there were a lot of really great QBs and more elite QBs. That was like 20 years ago. Long gone are the days of Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Eli, Rivers, McNabb, etc.

I have to disagree. I actually think it’s the opposite. Lamar is a two time MVP and a better player than Eli, Ben, or Rivers. I would take Burrow over any of those players not named Brady, Manning, or Rodgers.

Josh Allen is also an MVP and an absolute beast. Doubt any GM would take Eli, Rivers, or Ben over him.

Mahomes might be the GOAT if not at least top 3.

There are young rising QBs on several teams including one that was in the Super Bowl.

Great era for QBs right now in my opinion.

56 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Winning used to be a QB stat and massive feather in their cap.......until Hurts started doing it. It's just amazing how "Hurts only wins because of the talent around him" but when other so called elite QB's don't win it's because "they just need more talent around them." People love to have it both ways.

That’s not really a fair comparison. I’m certainly not a Hurts hater but he doesn’t contribute to the offense what Burrow does etc

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.

HA! Never heard that one before

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Winning used to be a QB stat and massive feather in their cap.......until Hurts started doing it. It's just amazing how "Hurts only wins because of the talent around him" but when other so called elite QB's don't win it's because "they just need more talent around them." People love to have it both ways.

Using wins as a stat is, has been, and always will be stupid. If a QB throws 4 picks in a game and wins 6-3, counts as a win. If a QB accounts for 0 TDs in a 21-0 win, it's a win. It's dumb for anyone to use it as a serious stat and yet everyone does. Maybe if you find wins that were at least mostly because of a QB (accounts for 4 TDs in a 33-30 shoutout, scores the only points in a close win, etc) you could start using wins. But that's not what happens.

8 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

That’s not really a fair comparison. I’m certainly not a Hurts hater but he doesn’t contribute to the offense what Burrow does etc

If Burrow had a V he'd be your aunt, or something

8 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Your last point is what makes this all so fascinating. Let's run through the top QBs:

Allen - never could conquer the Chiefs in the playoffs, and then this year lost to Bo freaking Nix. Physically, he might be the most talented QB in the game, but his inability to get it done this year, without Mahomes in his way, is really telling.

Lamar - ESPN ranked the Ravens' roster as better than the Eagles going into 2025, and he still managed to miss the playoffs.

Burrow - basically lives off beating Mahomes in the 2021 AFCCG. Top flight wideouts and can't make the playoffs. Meanwhile Hurts made it with our train wreck of a defense in 2023.

Herbert - don't make me laugh

All of those guys are more talented than Hurts, will put up better stats, etc. But none of them delivered in big moments. It's why in my mind, the QB hierarchy is basically Mahomes by himself, and then let arguments ensue.

Joe Burrow has one of the worst defenses in the league, which i believe is partly his problem because he wanted chase and Higgins to get paid

500 hours to go.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Winner winner chicken dinner. There is no better example of how dumb people are than their love and obsession with Justin Herbert in context of the unfair scrutiny that Hurts gets. Hurts doesn't fit the mold and doesn't put up big fantasy numbers. Herbert is a 6'6 white boy with long flow locks and a rocket arm that can make every throw. He will shred a random defense in November for 350 yards and 4 TD's. Meanwhile, he has been in the league for SIX years and has ZERO playoff wins. Let me say that again, ZERO playoff wins. His weapons over the years have been Austin Ekeler, Keenan Allen, Ladd McConkey, Quentin Johnston, Mike Williams, etc. John Harbaugh has been his coach for the last two seasons. Yet there is EVERY single excuse under the sun for why a 28 year old QB with six NFL seasons has ZERO playoff wins.

Meanwhile at 27 years old and with 5 seasons as a starter Hurts has 6 playoff wins, two SB appearances, one SB win, and one SB MVP but there is every excuse under the sun for why he deserves little to no credit for a lot of people. But hey, he doesn't slin it like Herbert on a Thursday night game in the middle of the season against the Raiders or some other trash team.

You FN nerds can have your fantasy god, 6'6 white boy with flowing locks QB who hasn't won a thing, I will take the guy who FN wins and continues to do it with everyone questioning him at every turn. The double standard is laughable and a lot of fans and media members in Philadelphia specifically don't deserve to have Hurts as QB1

I am secretly hoping for another Mahomes-Hurts Superbowl, where Hurts shreds him once again, which ends the glazing of Mahomes and cements Hurts into the Hall of Fame. Til then, we talk about Tanner Brady and his amazing potential.

13 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

I am secretly hoping for another Mahomes-Hurts Superbowl, where Hurts shreds him once again, which ends the glazing of Mahomes and cements Hurts into the Hall of Fame. Til then, we talk about Tanner Brady and his amazing potential.

There should be a hall of greatness, and a hall of accomplishments. Hurts could then go in to the hall of accomplishments right next to the Foles jersey from the 7 TD game.

Hurts will never be close to greatness.