2 hours ago, wyote said:

Wentz and the fans have made the decision for them. The fans will never support Wentz again, and Wentz doesn't have the bark to tolerate us. He has to go somewhere else if he's going to succeed. 

The rest of that speculation is above my pay grade. 

That's adorable that you think they give a ish what fans want or think. 

1 hour ago, ShutDownDB said:

That's adorable that you think they give a ish what fans want or think. 

They definitely want to minimize hostility. Every single press conference is basically an attempt to manipulate the fans so that we won't create a distraction or tear a player down. 

And in this case, they are surely thinking about whether Wentz can win back the fans or thrive in spite of our hostility. 

 

On 12/31/2020 at 8:21 AM, ShutDownDB said:

Sure I can understand having an opinion like that if you only look at stats and final score, problem is that it's lazy. Did Max Kellerman come up with that for you? Look deeper and be better my guy.

Happy New Year everyone! 

Yeah winning means nothing. Just ball hugging from the fanboys is all that matters. You made a dumb comment on how he made people better and you couldn't back it up. Good day. 

8 hours ago, wyote said:

Wentz and the fans have made the decision for them. The fans will never support Wentz again, and Wentz doesn't have the bark to tolerate us. He has to go somewhere else if he's going to succeed. 

The rest of that speculation is above my pay grade. 

You kidding? Carson still has loyal worshippers kissing his bean bag. They mostly credit him for a Super Bowl he didn't  play in while blaming everyone else in the world for him declining over the years. 

11 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The organisation have a very difficult decision to make. Do they try and move on from Wentz and go with a different route? If they do then that's a decision they need to make this off season and not delay it. If they want to bring him back and try to fix him then they need to go offense heavy this off season (again) and fire Doug.

From what everyone seems to think the window to move Carson isn't very big. Due to how this team can't seem to do things the right way I think they're going to mess it up and bring Carson back. They're going to try and get too much compensation for Carson and it's going to backfire on them. At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone back with a new batch of useless offensive coaches. 

45 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You kidding? Carson still has loyal worshippers kissing his bean bag. They mostly credit him for a Super Bowl he didn't  play in while blaming everyone else in the world for him declining over the years. 

I'm sure you're at least as noisy as they are 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah winning means nothing. Just ball hugging from the fanboys is all that matters. You made a dumb comment on how he made people better and you couldn't back it up. Good day. 

I don't need to back it up, it's on the film kid. Unless you think Greg Ward and Travis Fulgham never belonged on a practice squad? Football is the ultimate team sport, yet you put wins and losses at the QBs feet. 

Again, investigate a bit more thorough it might help you out.

3 hours ago, wyote said:

I'm sure you're at least as noisy as they are 

In the end none of that matters. The Eagles are going to do whatever the owner wants. Even though I no longer see Carson as the player I once thought he was he still INT the biggest issue for the Eagles. Their number one problem is the GM. All the problems lead back to him, and he’s a guy the majority of us want gone and I’m convinced there’s no chance of that happening. 

2 hours ago, ShutDownDB said:

I don't need to back it up, it's on the film kid. Unless you think Greg Ward and Travis Fulgham never belonged on a practice squad? Football is the ultimate team sport, yet you put wins and losses at the QBs feet. 

Again, investigate a bit more thorough it might help you out.

You’re right. It is on film they won 4 playoff games including a Super Bowl without him. 

57 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

In the end none of that matters. The Eagles are going to do whatever the owner wants. Even though I no longer see Carson as the player I once thought he was he still INT the biggest issue for the Eagles. Their number one problem is the GM. All the problems lead back to him, and he’s a guy the majority of us want gone and I’m convinced there’s no chance of that happening. 

You’re right. It is on film they won 4 playoff games including a Super Bowl without him. 

Ok keep moving the goalposts. They won the SB and 4 playoff games with practice squad WRs? Nope did not happen. As I said before, stop with your nonsense.

Sorry if this has been stated. I was trying to wrap my head around how Eagles can save cap and still be compensated for Wentz... Assuming they wanna trade him. Originally I thought of a restructure. 

Colin said, let's say Wentz paid back the team 20mil, then we would be on the hook for 13mil, and Wentz out 20mil on his contract. But the team trading for him, could throw that 20mil into a signing bonus. The 20mil "refund" would have to happen before the league year ends (Jan 3 '21) to help for the cap situation. 

All this is assuming Wentz is done in Philly. And if his agent (and Wentz) truly wants out of Philly, this proposal by Colin doesn't look that bad. 

 

Someone else suggested that, can’t remember who, so Cowherd was just piggybacking off their idea. Sorry just needed to say that cause I don’t like Cowherd.

This isn’t meant to bash Wentz, but I think doing this would be best idea for both parties involved. I don’t see how Wentz can mentally come back from this season, or how coaches can fix him. Wentz probably has better odds getting his career turned around elsewhere, and Eagles could, and should, embrace a true rebuild. Could likely be win win for both sides. Then Use 2021 season to see if Hurts has what it takes to be the franchise QB. 
 

 

It was Mike Tanenbaum. The guy is an absolute moron.

 

38 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Someone else suggested that, can’t remember who, so Cowherd was just piggybacking off their idea. Sorry just needed to say that cause I don’t like Cowherd.

This isn’t meant to bash Wentz, but I think doing this would be best idea for both parties involved. I don’t see how Wentz can mentally come back from this season, or how coaches can fix him. Wentz probably has better odds getting his career turned around elsewhere, and Eagles could, and should, embrace a true rebuild. Could likely be win win for both sides. Then Use 2021 season to see if Hurts has what it takes to be the franchise QB. 
 

 

I guess we'll see in the next couple days. Bc if his time is truly up in Philly, this should be handled immediately. Not holding my breath...

1 hour ago, ShutDownDB said:

Ok keep moving the goalposts. They won the SB and 4 playoff games with practice squad WRs? Nope did not happen. As I said before, stop with your nonsense.

Oh you mean those wide receivers you all have been crying like school girls who said stunk like Agholor? Try harder. For the record at this point Drunk McNabb was piling up playoff wins with the likes of stinky Pinkston and James Trash, while the only thing Wentz has piled up is injuries, phantom MVPs, and excuses from you fanboys. 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

From what everyone seems to think the window to move Carson isn't very big. Due to how this team can't seem to do things the right way I think they're going to mess it up and bring Carson back. They're going to try and get too much compensation for Carson and it's going to backfire on them. At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone back with a new batch of useless offensive coaches. 

Yeah I mean we all hope for this big overhaul but I'm not sure we are going to see it. And before anyone says it... Yes I'm exaggerating when I say all of us. 

But yes I think they'll end up bringing Carson back and I do think that's a mistake. 

3 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Someone else suggested that, can’t remember who, so Cowherd was just piggybacking off their idea. Sorry just needed to say that cause I don’t like Cowherd.

This isn’t meant to bash Wentz, but I think doing this would be best idea for both parties involved. I don’t see how Wentz can mentally come back from this season, or how coaches can fix him. Wentz probably has better odds getting his career turned around elsewhere, and Eagles could, and should, embrace a true rebuild. Could likely be win win for both sides. Then Use 2021 season to see if Hurts has what it takes to be the franchise QB. 
 

If we are being 100% honest, we already know Hurts isn't a franchise QB.  The only team excited to snap him up early (the Eagles) are notoriously bad at the draft.  Hurts appears to be another "Howie is smarter than everyone else" pick. 

The real question to me in that scenario is "can Hurts hold it together long enough until the Eagles can find a franchise QB?"  

 

3 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The real question to me in that scenario is "can Hurts hold it together long enough until the Eagles can find a franchise QB?"  

And I think this is absolutely right. I don't think Hurts is a franchise QB either. I think he can be a 15-20 range QB but he's unlikely to be a legit franchise QB. But can he hold things down whilst this team rebuilds? Keep them competitive and exciting? I think he can do that. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And I think this is absolutely right. I don't think Hurts is a franchise QB either. I think he can be a 15-20 range QB but he's unlikely to be a legit franchise QB. But can he hold things down whilst this team rebuilds? Keep them competitive and exciting? I think he can do that. 

I don't think he has that ability. He is entirely dependent on having tons of talent around him, which is not how rebuilding from this roster will work.  I watched him alot at OU and he is what he is.  A gadget QB.

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

I don't think he has that ability. He is entirely dependent on having tons of talent around him, which is not how rebuilding from this roster will work.  I watched him alot at OU and he is what he is.  A gadget QB.

Sounds like Wentz... Difference being Hurts is a whole lot cheaper. 

And DP has proven you don't need a franchise QB to win the SB.

17 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Sounds like Wentz... Difference being Hurts is a whole lot cheaper. 

SMH.  The cap hit will be brutal, but We should go ahead and cut Wentz and insert a gadget QB to make you happy.  Sometimes, lessons have to be learned the hard way.

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

SMH.  The cap hit will be brutal, but We should go ahead and cut Wentz and insert a gadget QB to make you happy.  Sometimes, lessons have to be learned the hard way.

But it's a one year cap hit and then you're out of the deal. This is the year to move on, after this year it gets harder and more expensive to do so. And so if you're of the opinion, as I am, that Wentz is done in Philly then now is the time to move him on. That's all I'm saying. 

8 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Oh you mean those wide receivers you all have been crying like school girls who said stunk like Agholor? Try harder. For the record at this point Drunk McNabb was piling up playoff wins with the likes of stinky Pinkston and James Trash, while the only thing Wentz has piled up is injuries, phantom MVPs, and excuses from you fanboys. 

Yep Carson is so bad that's why Agholor is all-pro now, right? Oh wait nevermind dude is still average. For the record Pinkston and Thrash would be a massive upgrade over what they have now. But please keep reaching and moving goal posts cause that's all you have.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But it's a one year cap hit and then you're out of the deal. This is the year to move on, after this year it gets harder and more expensive to do so. And so if you're of the opinion, as I am, that Wentz is done in Philly then now is the time to move him on. That's all I'm saying. 

It goes so much further than that.  When a team gives up what it did to draft a franchise altering QB, and then fails, the issues last far longer than one year and digs deeper than finances.  Just remember all of those picks we gave up. I wouldn't expect you to understand the depth of large scale organizational investments and how they make or break the best teams.

It's far better for the Eagles to solve the Wentz riddle and commit to him.  BUT, you may be right, HE may be done with them.  At that point, he should do whatever it takes to get away from this awful organization and its silly fans. The Eagles will be the ones that regret that move.

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But it's a one year cap hit and then you're out of the deal. This is the year to move on, after this year it gets harder and more expensive to do so. And so if you're of the opinion, as I am, that Wentz is done in Philly then now is the time to move him on. That's all I'm saying. 

In regards to trading him, I thought the cap hit in 21 was higher than before the 22 season? 

My opinion on all this is that they're way over the cap already and he's on the books, and trading him gives little to no relief on the cap. So why not see next year if he bounces back?