5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Barkley hasn't changed. Only the blocking has (since 2024).

Not true at all. It's both.

3 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

Not true at all. It's both.

What stats do you have for proof? Here's what I have:

In 2024, Barkley averaged 3.8 yards before contact. In 2025, he averaged 2.3 yards before contact. So far in 2026, he's averaging 0.35 yards before contact.

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

What stats do you have for proof? Here's what I have:

In 2024, Barkley averaged 3.8 yards before contact. In 2025, he averaged 2.3 yards before contact. So far in 2026, he's averaging 0.35 yards before contact.

Watch the games. All you are doing is scouting the box scores like this is minor league baseball. He's still good. Not as good as 2024 and giving him 90% of the carries is counterproductive.

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

Watch the games. All you are doing is scouting the box scores like this is minor league baseball. He's still good. Not as good as 2024 and giving him 90% of the carries is counterproductive.

I do watch the games. The stats are verifying everything I see. Your argument to me has been ignore the proof.

Barkley gets about 1 yard before contact here:

Right now, neither guy is averaging even 1 yard before contact. The run blocking has been terrible this year and was a problem last year. Barkley would still be putting up 2024 numbers with 2024 blocking. How you choose to spell him during the game is its own argument.

On 9/21/2026 at 6:58 PM, time2rock said:

Jesus some of you can’t help but overreacting and are incapable of perspective and logical thought.

Give support to Tank or GTFO of this thread!!

Tank! Tank! Tank Tank Tank!!!

On 9/21/2026 at 7:43 PM, Eagles1960 said:

He doesa't need to be better than Barkley. Just a reasonable splitting of carries which helps the team and Barkley. Barkley is not the 2024 Barkley and never will be again and they shouldn't run him as if he is. That doesn't mean he can't be effective. You just don't give him 90% of the carries.

But how can you say that??? The blocking is the issue, not him!! NO RB in this league will get going if a defender is right in his face as soon as he gets the ball....THAT is how bad the OLine is....I am trying to figure out how on God's green earth you can confidently say "never will be again and they shouldn't run him as if he is".....

I seriously cannot believe I just read that....he is still the threat he has been his entire career but with no blocking, it is not going to happen.....

59 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

But how can you say that??? The blocking is the issue, not him!! NO RB in this league will get going if a defender is right in his face as soon as he gets the ball....THAT is how bad the OLine is....I am trying to figure out how on God's green earth you can confidently say "never will be again and they shouldn't run him as if he is".....

I seriously cannot believe I just read that....he is still the threat he has been his entire career but with no blocking, it is not going to happen.....

He's two years older than in 2024 (29 to 27). Two years in the NFL is a long time and especially so for a running back. He has had 625 carries (not counting this year) since then. Nobody last forever at a superstar quality. It would be better for Barkley long-term and the team to have a different split at RB. And based on watching the games, he is not as good as in 2024. Satisfied? If not, tough.

3 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

He's two years older than in 2024 (29 to 27). Two years in the NFL is a long time and especially so for a running back. He has had 625 carries (not counting this year) since then. Nobody last forever at a superstar quality. It would be better for Barkley long-term and the team to have a different split at RB. And based on watching the games, he is not as good as in 2024. Satisfied? If not, tough.

Is Derick Henry two years older than 2024 too?

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Is Derick Henry two years older than 2024 too?

Every player is different. Time catches up to everybody and will with Henry. Barkley's game relies more on speed, quickness and cutting ability. Henry relies more on power and brute strength. Or do you think this is basketball and a RB can play until he is 40?

10 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

He's two years older than in 2024 (29 to 27). Two years in the NFL is a long time and especially so for a running back. He has had 625 carries (not counting this year) since then. Nobody last forever at a superstar quality. It would be better for Barkley long-term and the team to have a different split at RB. And based on watching the games, he is not as good as in 2024. Satisfied? If not, tough.

No need for the hositility...no, I am NOT satisfied....he has been a threat since college...I mean sure, he will get older and age and start to decline but its not at that point yet....he looks the same to me....when he had that long run he looked like the same old Barkley but I DO get your point....he is only 29 and that is still pretty young...like you said, two years make a difference indeed and so if he were like 31-32 I would agree with you but I am not seeing it yet....

58 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

Every player is different. Time catches up to everybody and will with Henry. Barkley's game relies more on speed, quickness and cutting ability. Henry relies more on power and brute strength. Or do you think this is basketball and a RB can play until he is 40?

Last season, Barkley still reached over 21mph more than once as a ball carrier according to NGS. He hit 21.87mph on a 28 yard run in week 8. He also hit 21.68mph on a 65 yard TD in the same game. He hit 21.19mph on a 52 yard TD in week 14. In the wildcard loss he hit 21.87mph on a 29 yard run. His 21.87mph run in week 8 was the 7th fastest speed in the regular season and his 21.68mph run ranked 13th. His 21.87mph in the playoffs was the fasted speed of the entire postseason last year by over 1mph.

I just think it's funny that you're saying Barkley is two years older than 2 years ago, therefore he must be declining. There's a ton of proof that the O-line play declined and the yards before contact is way down for all the runners in 2025 and this season. You'll readily admit that Henry (who's about to turn 33) has still got it. I think both Barkley and Henry are products of physical gifts and dedicated workout routines. I don't see signs of decline in Barkley physically. He still has the burst and speed he's always had. He just isn't playing behind the Eagles' 2024 O-line anymore. Bigsby isn't playing behind that line either and has not been nearly as productive as Barkley so far in 2026.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Last season, Barkley still reached over 21mph more than once as a ball carrier according to NGS. He hit 21.87mph on a 28 yard run in week 8. He also hit 21.68mph on a 65 yard TD in the same game. He hit 21.19mph on a 52 yard TD in week 14. In the wildcard loss he hit 21.87mph on a 29 yard run. His 21.87mph run in week 8 was the 7th fastest speed in the regular season and his 21.68mph run ranked 13th. His 21.87mph in the playoffs was the fasted speed of the entire postseason last year by over 1mph.

I just think it's funny that you're saying Barkley is two years older than 2 years ago, therefore he must be declining. There's a ton of proof that the O-line play declined and the yards before contact is way down for all the runners in 2025 and this season. You'll readily admit that Henry (who's about to turn 33) has still got it. I think both Barkley and Henry are products of physical gifts and dedicated workout routines. I don't see signs of decline in Barkley physically. He still has the burst and speed he's always had. He just isn't playing behind the Eagles' 2024 O-line anymore. Bigsby isn't playing behind that line either and has not been nearly as productive as Barkley so far in 2026.

I agree with a lot of what you said. Still, I don't believe Barkley is the same runner as 2024. For arguments sake, let's say he is. The OL is not nearly the same so it would behoove the Eagles to give more carries to Bigsby to save punishment on Barkley. 90/10 split is not sustainable with the current OL. 70/30 is more like it. It's not like Bigsby is another Reno Mahe.

On 9/21/2026 at 8:46 PM, brkmsn said:

Barkley hasn't changed. Only the blocking has (since 2024).

Was the offensive line bad last year?

14 hours ago, Eagles1960 said:

I agree with a lot of what you said. Still, I don't believe Barkley is the same runner as 2024. For arguments sake, let's say he is. The OL is not nearly the same so it would behoove the Eagles to give more carries to Bigsby to save punishment on Barkley. 90/10 split is not sustainable with the current OL. 70/30 is more like it. It's not like Bigsby is another Reno Mahe.

If we are talking about 50 total offensive plays in a game (like week1), Barkley isn't getting too many touches at just 18, so there is less need to remove him from the game. When you have 71 plays (like week2), obviously you want to spell your workhorse more. It's more of a "pitch count" than a percentage. Last week, Barkley had the stinger so we didn't really see how they plan to manage that many offensive plays, but I think even if Barkley hadn't had the injury, you'd be happier with the rotation than you were after week 1. That's just a guess, though.

Runningback by committee can be an effective strategy --- especially when you don't have a premium RB. But I prefer the concept where you feature a premium back as the workhorse because it can wear out a defense and open things up for other players on offense when defenders try to key on one certain threat. As far as Bigsby and Shipley go, I like them both equally. Bigsby can gain tough yards inside while Shipley can help out a little more in the passing game. Barkley does a good job of coming out of the game when he needs a breather. I don't think he needs to be on the sideline anymore than that.

7 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

Was the offensive line bad last year?

Jurgens and Dickerson had their worst seasons last year. Mailata was not quite as good as 2024 and Lane got hurt. Steen was about average for a starting guard in the NFL and he may have been the most consistent offensive lineman for us last year. Let us know ... what did you see?

Barkley is washed up and has a lost a couple steps. Its time to start Shipley with Tank backing him up. Then sprinkle some Barkley runs in during garbage time.

Jason Kelce weighed on his podcast and attributed the running issues to the Oline dealing with injury issues.

But what does he know. He's just a podcaster.

2 hours ago, John Blutarski said:

Barkley is washed up and has a lost a couple steps. Its time to start Shipley with Tank backing him up. Then sprinkle some Barkley runs in during garbage time.

This post is garbage time. God, I hope you're trolling.

11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Jurgens and Dickerson had their worst seasons last year. Mailata was not quite as good as 2024 and Lane got hurt. Steen was about average for a starting guard in the NFL and he may have been the most consistent offensive lineman for us last year. Let us know ... what did you see?

I just asked a simple question and you replied a soliloquy. If the offensive line had all those issues last year, how did Tank average 5.7 YPC behind that same line?

12 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

I just asked a simple question and you replied a soliloquy. If the offensive line had all those issues last year, how did Tank average 5.7 YPC behind that same line?

Last year, in most games, Tank had between 1 and 4 carries. His best game came against the giants when he had 9 carries for 104 yards. In that same game, Barkley had 14 carries for 150 yards and 1 TD and 4 more receptions for 24 yards and another TD. Most of Bigsby's carries came in the 4th quarter while we were milking a multiple score lead against a defense that was tired of chasing Barkley. The answer to your question is you're comparing a small sample to a large sample. It's not uncommon for a RB2 to be productive when he come into a game with fresh legs vs a defense that is wearing down. After the season Barkley had in 2024, defenses were literally keying on him because he was a legit threat. No team was game planning to take Bigsby out of the equation.

You can apply your question to this season and ask, "If Tank is so good, why is he averaging half of what Barkley is averaging this year?" I listed 3 reasons why Tank had a good YPC average last season (small sample / fresh legs vs tired D / opposing defenses didn't game plan to stop him specifically). One more reason I didn't list is because of play design and execution. They weren't used exactly the same way.

We actually traded for Bigsby last season because Shipley was hurt in week 1 and we needed a KR. Bigsby was so bad at fielding kickoffs after he arrived, I actually thought we might release him --- until that 4th quarter vs the giants where he showed value as a runner.

6 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Last year, in most games, Tank had between 1 and 4 carries. His best game came against the giants when he had 9 carries for 104 yards. In that same game, Barkley had 14 carries for 150 yards and 1 TD and 4 more receptions for 24 yards and another TD. Most of Bigsby's carries came in the 4th quarter while we were milking a multiple score lead against a defense that was tired of chasing Barkley. The answer to your question is you're comparing a small sample to a large sample. It's not uncommon for a RB2 to be productive when he come into a game with fresh legs vs a defense that is wearing down. After the season Barkley had in 2024, defenses were literally keying on him because he was a legit threat. No team was game planning to take Bigsby out of the equation.

You can apply your question to this season and ask, "If Tank is so good, why is he averaging half of what Barkley is averaging this year?" I listed 3 reasons why Tank had a good YPC average last season (small sample / fresh legs vs tired D / opposing defenses didn't game plan to stop him specifically). One more reason I didn't list is because of play design and execution. They weren't used exactly the same way.

We actually traded for Bigsby last season because Shipley was hurt in week 1 and we needed a KR. Bigsby was so bad at fielding kickoffs after he arrived, I actually thought we might release him --- until that 4th quarter vs the giants where he showed value as a runner.

What season were you watching? Again you have these long responses with little factual info. There were only 3 games we won by double digits last season (Giants, Raiders, Commanders), so where are all these multiple score leads we were "milking”?

Let’s address your next statement of defenses "tired of chasing Barkley”…..Last year 4.4 YPC was the league average. How many games did Saquon have a higher YPC than league average last year??? Just 5 times (2 against the Giants). What was our record in those games??? 2 and 3. So what leads were we protecting where the defenses were tired of chasing Saquon?

How many games did Tank average more than the league average of 4.4 YPC??? 6 games. What was our record in those games??? 4 and 2, and Jalen Hurts didn’t play week 17.

On 9/25/2026 at 8:39 AM, John Blutarski said:

Barkley is washed up and has a lost a couple steps. Its time to start Shipley with Tank backing him up. Then sprinkle some Barkley runs in during garbage time.

There are going to be quite a few that won't get the intent of this post.

On 9/26/2026 at 5:28 AM, MagicMoment said:

What season were you watching? Again you have these long responses with little factual info. There were only 3 games we won by double digits last season (Giants, Raiders, Commanders), so where are all these multiple score leads we were "milking”?

Let’s address your next statement of defenses "tired of chasing Barkley”…..Last year 4.4 YPC was the league average. How many games did Saquon have a higher YPC than league average last year??? Just 5 times (2 against the Giants). What was our record in those games??? 2 and 3. So what leads were we protecting where the defenses were tired of chasing Saquon?

How many games did Tank average more than the league average of 4.4 YPC??? 6 games. What was our record in those games??? 4 and 2, and Jalen Hurts didn’t play week 17.

Dude, you're quoting one post and talking about a different one. But I'll answer your question. Barkley put up about 175 total yards against the giants last year and Bigsby came in to mop up in the 4th quarter against a worn out defense and had his best game of 2025, which, in turn, boosted his average ypc, when combined with the other 2/3 of his total yardage gained on the season. I'd type more, but I don't want to cause you anymore mental anguish with "long responses."

19 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Dude, you're quoting one post and talking about a different one. But I'll answer your question. Barkley put up about 175 total yards against the giants last year and Bigsby came in to mop up in the 4th quarter against a worn out defense and had his best game of 2025, which, in turn, boosted his average ypc, when combined with the other 2/3 of his total yardage gained on the season. I'd type more, but I don't want to cause you anymore mental anguish with "long responses."

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just dumb.

5 games of 4.4 YPC < 6 games of 4.4 YPC

I’m giving you number of games over NFL average YPC and you’re still talking about the Giants game. "Which, in turn, boosted his average YPC" LOL.

Spoiler alert, if Tank had rushed for 70 gajillion yards in the Giants game, it still only equals one game over 4.4 YPC LOL.

10 hours ago, MagicMoment said:

I can’t tell if you’re trolling or just dumb.

5 games of 4.4 YPC < 6 games of 4.4 YPC

I’m giving you number of games over NFL average YPC and you’re still talking about the Giants game. "Which, in turn, boosted his average YPC" LOL.

Spoiler alert, if Tank had rushed for 70 gajillion yards in the Giants game, it still only equals one game over 4.4 YPC LOL.

On 9/21/2026 at 5:31 PM, brkmsn said:

On top of that, what nobody is discussing is Barkley has fumbled once every 245 touches. Bigsby has fumbled once every 51.3 touches in the NFL.

Now maybe you can see why we limit his touches and why Barkley is the featured back.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Now maybe you can see why we limit his touches and why Barkley is the featured back.

You wait until he has a fumble to respond? You’re an idiot and I say that with all due seriousness.