Nope, no definitive proof. That's why I used the words "implicated" and "potentially."  

But, the laptop has been authenticated. Obviously, Hunter is as dirty as they come and was profiting off his dad's political power in foreign nations. He also had pictures of himself smoking crack and a picture of a naked minor on the laptop.  

Yeah, so it should be a crime, that you got a job because your father is famous, to sit on a board that has no job qualification requirements and paid a large salary for the position. That's never happened in the history of America. It should be a crime punishable by Death. 

Just now, Kz! said:

Nope, no definitive proof. That's why I used the words "implicated" and "potentially."  

Not just no definitive proof.  No proof of any kind.  

But if you're on the lookout for political corruption...

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The New York Times review of Trump’s tax returns found that a licensing deal in the Philippines earned at least $3 million during his first two years in office. Trump’s Philippine business dealings earned him at least another $2 million in 2019, according to his most recent personal financial disclosure, a higher range than any other year since at least 2016. 

Since 2016, Trump made more than $2.6 million from business dealings in India with at least $1.1 million coming from business in the country during his first year as president. Since the personal financial disclosures show some amounts in ranges, this means Trump’s personal income from India since 2016 could be as high as $17.1 million. 

Personal financial disclosures show Trump making more than $335,000 from business in the United Arab Emirates in 2019, a higher amount than any of the three prior years. Trump’s UAE golf club was promoted by foreign agents in materials distributed for the Dubai Department of Tourism that same year. Foreign interests from the UAE have revved up lobbying spending during the Trump administration. They spent more than $81 million on foreign influence operations targeting the U.S. since 2016 and around $25 million last year alone.

Trump’s personal income from business interests in Turkey topped $1.3 million since 2016 and may have been as high as $8 million. Turkish businessman Mehmet Ali Yalcindag helped negotiate the licensing deal for Trump’s properties in Turkey. Yalcindag has since lobbied the Trump administration on U.S. policy toward Turkey and is chairman of the Turkey-US Business Council, which has spent more than $1.6 millon on foreign lobbying and influence operations targeting the U.S. since 2018. Since Trump took office the Turkish government-linked council started holding its annual conference at Trump International Hotel, just blocks from the White House in Washington, D.C. 

 

Literally, all the fat loser did for 4 years was use the influence of his office to maximize foreign profit.  

For anyone who wants a fact-based understanding of the story...

1. Is there a laptop in existence that has verified Hunter Biden's emails on it? Yes.
2. Is the laptop Hunter's? Nobody can truly know for sure. Outside of the bogus story about how it was "obtained", forensic evidence points to it not being Hunter's laptop.
3. If the laptop isn't Hunter's, how did the emails get on there? That's the core reason why it's been labeled Russian misinformation. Evidence and chain of custody timelines suggest that it was seeded with content weeks before it showed up with some random MAGA blind guy in Wilmington, DE.
4. During the time it's suspected of being seeded, Giuliani was in Ukraine already talking about the seeded content with Russian operatives.

There are some people who will read this and think, "I don't care. All I want to know is if the content that seeded on the laptop is actually real."

And the simple answer to that questions is yes, almost all of it is likely "real". Sure, they exist. The complicated answer is what does "real" even mean when we now know that Russian operatives had access to his email? Does a compromised email that we know exists on a laptop that was likely fabricated by Russian/Trump stooges mean that Hunter was even aware of its existence? It raises unanswerable questions about what is actually legitimate and can be considered untainted evidence.

All the NYP and NYT can do here is say, "Yes, the laptop and emails exist." That is a fact-based statement. But it's also true that real, tangible emails can be (and likely are in this case given the facts about how they were obtained and who they were obtained by) part of a disinformation campaign designed to smear the Bidens.

Take a step back and look at it from a 10,000ft view... a janky laptop given to Giuliani by Russian operatives in Ukraine ends up with a blind MAGA guy in Wilmington, DE that has compromising pictures of Hunter Biden and some emails, some of which we know are legitimate. The NYP then breaks a story and provides Scribd metadata from a PDF of a sus email with a timestamp of when Giuliani was likely receiving laptop in Ukraine.

Now, let's change gears and look at this from a "what do we know is legit" POV?

We know from the NYT report that at least some of the emails are legitimate. The emails they've been able to validate show Hunter making statements like the following:
 

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need to know in no uncertain terms that we will not and cannot intervene directly with domestic policymakers, and that we need to abide by FARA and any other U.S. laws in the strictest sense across the board.

It's a far cry from what MAGA operatives would have you believe, which is that Hunter used his influence to persuade his dad to intervene in some bullsh** Ukraine story. We know it's bullsh** because we know the meeting that was referenced in the sus NYP email never happened. Things starting to not add up for you yet? In addition Congress had been aware of Hunter's role on the Burisma board and the GOP led committees that were assigned the task of trying to figure out if everything was above board all came up roses.

So what do we have left on the Bidens that will actually cause some trouble? Well, there's an investigation open as to some potention tax fraud and maybe some civil FARA violations that would require Hunter to retroactively go back and register as a FARA agent. There's literally nothing in the story that even comes close to sniffing Joe. So if you want to get the long stroke going to proof that there's some planted pictures out there of Hunter being a crackhead then you're probably in for a really great night. 
 

8 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

 

The real issue here is that Republicans had built it up in their minds at the time that the laptop "scandal" was going to sink Biden.  So a year + later, they still can't let it go, and likely won't for years.  It's not unlike Benghazi.  They were 100% sure that Benghazi was going to be the end of Obama leading up to the 2012 election, but they were wrong, so their temper tantrum about it led to 4 years of non-stop investigations and public tears about it.  It'll go the same way here.  And much like Benghazi, it has almost nothing to do with the content of charge and more to do with how up in their feelings they are that their sure-fire ace-in-the-hole fizzled out.

11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

The real issue here is that Republicans had built it up in their minds at the time that the laptop "scandal" was going to sink Biden.  So a year + later, they still can't let it go, and likely won't for years.  It's not unlike Benghazi.  They were 100% sure that Benghazi was going to be the end of Obama leading up to the 2012 election, but they were wrong, so their temper tantrum about it led to 4 years of non-stop investigations and public tears about it.  It'll go the same way here.  And much like Benghazi, it has almost nothing to do with the content of charge and more to do with how up in their feelings they are that their sure-fire ace-in-the-hole fizzled out.

It also needs to be plainly understood that the simple fact that Russian operatives had what seems to be unfettered access to Hunter's emails, used it to plant some of them along with some other nefarious content, and then tie it all up and frame to the NYP as some "smoking gun" story on Joe Biden is the very definition of disinformation. You can't take any of it seriously when the only context you have and the only things that are being presented to the public are items that were hand-picked by Russian operatives. That alone is grounds for any news organization that takes itself seriously to turn the story down and label it as disinformation.

I mean, once you roll out Trump as your candidate it's kind of difficult to win the character battle. You've pretty much lost.

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

For anyone who wants a fact-based understanding of the story...

1. Is there a laptop in existence that has verified Hunter Biden's emails on it? Yes.
2. Is the laptop Hunter's? Nobody can truly know for sure. Outside of the bogus story about how it was "obtained", forensic evidence points to it not being Hunter's laptop.
3. If the laptop isn't Hunter's, how did the emails get on there? That's the core reason why it's been labeled Russian misinformation. Evidence and chain of custody timelines suggest that it was seeded with content weeks before it showed up with some random MAGA blind guy in Wilmington, DE.
4. During the time it's suspected of being seeded, Giuliani was in Ukraine already talking about the seeded content with Russian operatives.

There are some people who will read this and think, "I don't care. All I want to know is if the content that seeded on the laptop is actually real."

And the simple answer to that questions is yes, almost all of it is likely "real". Sure, they exist. The complicated answer is what does "real" even mean when we now know that Russian operatives had access to his email? Does a compromised email that we know exists on a laptop that was likely fabricated by Russian/Trump stooges mean that Hunter was even aware of its existence? It raises unanswerable questions about what is actually legitimate and can be considered untainted evidence.

All the NYP and NYT can do here is say, "Yes, the laptop and emails exist." That is a fact-based statement. But it's also true that real, tangible emails can be (and likely are in this case given the facts about how they were obtained and who they were obtained by) part of a disinformation campaign designed to smear the Bidens.

Take a step back and look at it from a 10,000ft view... a janky laptop given to Giuliani by Russian operatives in Ukraine ends up with a blind MAGA guy in Wilmington, DE that has compromising pictures of Hunter Biden and some emails, some of which we know are legitimate. The NYP then breaks a story and provides Scribd metadata from a PDF of a sus email with a timestamp of when Giuliani was likely receiving laptop in Ukraine.

Now, let's change gears and look at this from a "what do we know is legit" POV?

We know from the NYT report that at least some of the emails are legitimate. The emails they've been able to validate show Hunter making statements like the following:
 

It's a far cry from what MAGA operatives would have you believe, which is that Hunter used his influence to persuade his dad to intervene in some bullsh** Ukraine story. We know it's bullsh** because we know the meeting that was referenced in the sus NYP email never happened. Things starting to not add up for you yet? In addition Congress had been aware of Hunter's role on the Burisma board and the GOP led committees that were assigned the task of trying to figure out if everything was above board all came up roses.

So what do we have left on the Bidens that will actually cause some trouble? Well, there's an investigation open as to some potention tax fraud and maybe some civil FARA violations that would require Hunter to retroactively go back and register as a FARA agent. There's literally nothing in the story that even comes close to sniffing Joe. So if you want to get the long stroke going to proof that there's some planted pictures out there of Hunter being a crackhead then you're probably in for a really great night. 
 

   

It's definitely more likely that this is some sort of extensive Russian disinformation campaign that hacked real emails, coordinated with Trump team to plant those emails, and give them to some random computer repair guy in Delaware, than IDK, crackhead Hunter literally just dropped a broken laptop off at a computer repair dude's place. Jesus, the mental jumping jacks on display here. Holy crap.  

4 hours ago, Kz! said:

I love how you retards can come into this thread, freak out with rolling emojis, be proven definitively wrong, then come in with more

Just now, VanHammersly said:

Again, nothing in the laptop has been disproven, and the pictures and emails have been verified. You just believe Mayanh8's russian disinfo fanfiction because you are quite literally an NPC. 

  

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Kz! said:

   

It's definitely more likely that this is some sort of extensive Russian disinformation campaign that hacked real emails, coordinated with Trump team to plant those emails, and give them to some random computer repair guy in Delaware, than IDK, crackhead Hunter literally just dropped a broken laptop off at a computer repair dude's place. Jesus, the mental jumping jacks on display here. Holy crap.  

I mean....yeah. Not only more likely but pretty damn obvious.

7 minutes ago, Kz! said:

Again, nothing in the laptop has been disproven, and the pictures and emails have been verified. You just believe Mayanh8's russian disinfo fanfiction because you are quite literally an NPC. 

  

I know it probably feels like mental whiplash being smacked in the face by reality after you've spent an hour in MAGA facebook groups ingesting liquid stupidity about how it makes total sense that Hunter Biden would willingly turn over embarrassing content on an unencrypted laptop to a blind guy and forget he ever did t. But facts don't care about your feelings. And neither do I.

1 minute ago, mayanh8 said:

I know it probably feels like mental whiplash being smacked in the face by reality after you've spent an hour in MAGA facebook groups ingesting liquid stupidity. But facts don't care about your feelings. And neither do I.

So now we aren't even arguing that the most damning emails and pictures from the laptop are real, just that they were hacked by Russians and planted on a computer that was then given to a random computer repairman in Delaware? So the information is all real, but it's "disinformation" because "the Russians" hacked and planted it.  

1 minute ago, mr_hunt said:

Correct, it has been authenticated. 

55 minutes ago, Kz! said:

So now we aren't even arguing that the most damning emails and pictures from the laptop are real, just that they were hacked by Russians and planted on a computer that was then given to a random computer repairman in Delaware? So the information is all real, but it's "disinformation" because "the Russians" hacked and planted it.  

It's disinformation because if someone gains access to someone else's email account or local mail file and we don't know exactly when/how it happened then you've opened a pandora's box of opportunity to selectively omit parts of conversations, replies, and create a false context that otherwise wouldn't have existed.

Think hard about what you're implying. You're saying that a hacked device or mail account in the hands of bad actors carries with it its original integrity and trustworthiness. Seriously. Think about how nonsensical that statement is.

6 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

It's disinformation because if someone gains access to someone else's email account or local mail file and we don't know exactly when/how it happened then you've opened a pandora's box of opportunity to selectively omit parts of conversations, replies, and create a false context that otherwise wouldn't have existed.

Think hard about what you're implying. You're saying that a hacked device or mail account in the hands of bad actors carries with it its original integrity and trustworthiness. Seriously. Think about how nonsensical that statement is.

Literally Cybersecurity 101. The "I" in the CIA triad has been greatly compromised.

2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

The real issue here is that Republicans had built it up in their minds at the time that the laptop "scandal" was going to sink Biden.  So a year + later, they still can't let it go, and likely won't for years.  It's not unlike Benghazi.  They were 100% sure that Benghazi was going to be the end of Obama leading up to the 2012 election, but they were wrong, so their temper tantrum about it led to 4 years of non-stop investigations and public tears about it.  It'll go the same way here.  And much like Benghazi, it has almost nothing to do with the content of charge and more to do with how up in their feelings they are that their sure-fire ace-in-the-hole fizzled out.

If Dems loose control of Congress, you can guarantee 4 years of Hunter Biden investigation on the tax payer dime. And the result will be no evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever. But they will spin that he is guilty of multiple felonies.

38 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

It's disinformation because if someone gains access to someone else's email account or local mail file and we don't know exactly when/how it happened then you've opened a pandora's box of opportunity to selectively omit parts of conversations, replies, and create a false context that otherwise wouldn't have existed.

Think hard about what you're implying. You're saying that a hacked device or mail account in the hands of bad actors carries with it its original integrity and trustworthiness. Seriously. Think about how nonsensical that statement is.

Yep. It breaks the chain of custody. A Judge should rule it inadmissible as evidence. Especially, if the evidence has been tampered with by means of foreign influence. It's tainted and therefore, unreliable.  

Of course Trumplicans don't care about Podesta's hacked computer by Russians who then gave it to Stone who then gave it to Wikileaks who published it with the intent to change the outcome of an election. But Biden's laptop is way more damning.

Quick recap of Kz's day

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

Quick recap of Kz's day

You kidding me?  That dude is straight up GIDDY right now.  Found a thread where people respond to him, finally out of Abra's long shadow.

On 3/22/2022 at 3:24 PM, mayanh8 said:

 

Think hard about what you're implying. You're saying that a hacked device or mail account in the hands of bad actors carries with it its original integrity and trustworthiness. Seriously. Think about how nonsensical that statement is.

You have to remember that some don’t consider Russian officials to be "bad actors”…

6 minutes ago, Imp81318 said:

You have to remember that some don’t consider Russian officials to be "bad actors”…

The only bad actors are the American Imperialist pigs. 

1 hour ago, Imp81318 said:

You have to remember that some don’t consider Russian officials to be "bad actors”…

Sad but true.