June 21, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yes, I know. I cannot locate anything indicating sentencing for that case. If he was sentenced it should be public record, no? The claim I made was that nobody gets prison time for failing to file taxes after ultimately paying them in full. Those that receive prison sentences for failing to file do so because of a litany of related charges failing to pay taxes. Generally the same is true for lying on form 4473. They're not sending people to federal prison for misleading on that form, absent some additional transgressions. The Carwiles committed a LOT of significant firearms-related crimes and only got 3 months. 4473 was way down the list of their charges. My point is that the right wants to invent this idea that "normal people" get the book thrown at them for what Hunter did, and the fact is that they do not. They get indicted, and if they fight and ultimately are convicted they may receive prison time. If they plea out and there are not extenuating circumstances they usually get a fine and/or probation. Which is what Hunter got. And is appropriate within sentencing guidelines. This myth that Hunter is getting special treatment is manufactured by right wingers who want to see the DOJ weaponized against anyone connected to the left. And their projecting their nonsense on Joe because it's politically advantageous. It's nauseating. What's nauseating is Biden's artificial stance on more strict penalties for gun violations and nothing being done about Hunter lying on the form, careless handling of the firearm and having an illegal firearm while using and in possession of drugs. If this was your average druggy with an illegal gun you don't think they would be prosecuted (republican or democrat)?
June 21, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: What's nauseating is Biden's artificial stance on more strict penalties for gun violations and nothing being done about Hunter lying on the form, careless handling of the firearm and having an illegal firearm while using and in possession of drugs. If this was your average druggy with an illegal gun you don't think they would be prosecuted (republican or democrat)? Do I think a federal case would have been made out of an "average druggy with an illegal gun"? No, I don't. And the data appears to support me.
June 21, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: What's nauseating is Biden's artificial stance on more strict penalties for gun violations and nothing being done about Hunter lying on the form, careless handling of the firearm and having an illegal firearm while using and in possession of drugs. If this was your average druggy with an illegal gun you don't think they would be prosecuted (republican or democrat)? Yeah, the Trump appointed prosecutor is clearly a closet liberal.
June 21, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: Al Capone? Ypu are trying to prove something, why the question mark? Did Hunter do the same thing as Capone or not?
June 21, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Yes, I know. I cannot locate anything indicating sentencing for that case. If he was sentenced it should be public record, no? The claim I made was that nobody gets prison time for failing to file taxes after ultimately paying them in full. Those that receive prison sentences for failing to file do so because of a litany of related charges failing to pay taxes. Generally the same is true for lying on form 4473. They're not sending people to federal prison for misleading on that form, absent some additional transgressions. The Carwiles committed a LOT of significant firearms-related crimes and only got 3 months. 4473 was way down the list of their charges. My point is that the right wants to invent this idea that "normal people" get the book thrown at them for what Hunter did, and the fact is that they do not. They get indicted, and if they fight and ultimately are convicted they may receive prison time. If they plea out and there are not extenuating circumstances they usually get a fine and/or probation. Which is what Hunter got. And is appropriate within sentencing guidelines. This myth that Hunter is getting special treatment is manufactured by right wingers who want to see the DOJ weaponized against anyone connected to the left. And their projecting their nonsense on Joe because it's politically advantageous. It's nauseating. weird that there isnt info that he has been sentenced yet.
June 21, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Yeah, the Trump appointed prosecutor is clearly a closet liberal. As I stated in my comment, republican or democrat. Pay attention.
June 21, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Do I think a federal case would have been made out of an "average druggy with an illegal gun"? No, I don't. And the data appears to support me. OK, I suppose it's never happened just as you say.
June 21, 20232 yr If there's one thing we know about the modern GOP, it's what sticklers they are about nepotism and adherence to tax policies
June 21, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: OK, I suppose it's never happened just as you say. If it happened it would be easy to verify. Sentencing is publicly available. You want to believe that lying on a form is an automatic maximum 10 year federal prison sentence, because you want to see the book thrown at Hunter for purely political reasons. If there was a litany of cases where someone lied on 4473 and got sentenced to prison for it (without additional charges like selling hundreds of weapons off the books) then it would be easy to find them. But there aren't. 🤷♂️ The scrutiny of Hunter is only happening because of who he is. This would have been settled years ago absent his last name. And what he received is within sentencing guideline recommendations.
June 21, 20232 yr Miracle Star Vaughn from North Libert, Iowa got 1 year and a day after a plea agreement. Vaughn lied about her drug use on an ATF Form 4473. Doesn't say whether she was a republican or democrat or if the prosecutor was appointed by Trump and that's not the point here anyway. This was very easy to find.
June 21, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: Miracle Star Vaughn from North Libert, Iowa got 1 year and a day after a plea agreement. Vaughn lied about her drug use on an ATF Form 4473. Doesn't say whether she was a republican or democrat or if the prosecutor was appointed by Trump and that's not the point here anyway. This was very easy to find. Oh is this the case you're talking about? https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdia/pr/north-liberty-woman-sentenced-12-months-prison-related-false-statements-during You think there might be any circumstances described in there that are different from what Hunter did? Think real hard on it...
June 21, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: If it happened it would be easy to verify. Sentencing is publicly available. You want to believe that lying on a form is an automatic maximum 10 year federal prison sentence, because you want to see the book thrown at Hunter for purely political reasons. If there was a litany of cases where someone lied on 4473 and got sentenced to prison for it (without additional charges like selling hundreds of weapons off the books) then it would be easy to find them. But there aren't. 🤷♂️ The scrutiny of Hunter is only happening because of who he is. This would have been settled years ago absent his last name. And what he received is within sentencing guideline recommendations. Nobody able to come up with a list of prosecutions with prison sentences for what Hunter did? Weird. The above is what you said, I provided a few with about 4 minutes of looking. I never said 10 year sentences as most get reduced with a plea but don't act like it never happens because it certainly does. It should happen more and Biden is supposedly pushing for tougher laws on this but probably not in this case.
June 21, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: Miracle Star Vaughn from North Libert, Iowa got 1 year and a day after a plea agreement. Vaughn lied about her drug use on an ATF Form 4473. Doesn't say whether she was a republican or democrat or if the prosecutor was appointed by Trump and that's not the point here anyway. This was very easy to find. Yes it was: "According to court documents and evidence presented at sentencing, Miracle Star Vaughn, 27, purchased seven handguns from Scheels, in Coralville, over a period of 18 months. During the firearms purchases, Vaughn provided false information regarding her address and her drug use. One of the firearms Vaughn purchased was recovered in Chicago in the possession of Dimione Walker. Walker was a felon prohibited from possessing firearms, and also had a federal warrant for his arrest. One of the other guns Vaughn purchased was recovered in the possession of her significant other and co-defendant, Michael Haythorn, also a felon prohibited from possessing firearms. At sentencing, the District Court found that when law enforcement confronted her, Vaughn continued to provide false statements. The District Court considered the danger to the community created by Vaughn’s conduct and noted that Vaughn’s lack of criminal history allowed her to purchase these firearms." Keep reaching buddy
June 21, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: Miracle Star Vaughn from North Libert, Iowa got 1 year and a day after a plea agreement. Vaughn lied about her drug use on an ATF Form 4473. Doesn't say whether she was a republican or democrat or if the prosecutor was appointed by Trump and that's not the point here anyway. This was very easy to find. Yeah, and one of the firearms she purchased (she purchased several) was later recovered from a convicted felon who had a warrant. She committed multiple straw purchases, so she was sentenced more severely. She also continued to lie to law enforcement throughout the process. https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/north-liberty-woman-sentenced-12-months-prison-related-false-statements-during-purchase It's not the same thing.
June 21, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Oh is this the case you're talking about? https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdia/pr/north-liberty-woman-sentenced-12-months-prison-related-false-statements-during You think there might be any circumstances described in there that are different from what Hunter did? Think real hard on it... Who did Hunter give the gun to so it could be discarded near a school? He has no business having a gun just like these other people and should be prosecuted just like the others. What better way to show your really serious about enforcing gun violations?
June 21, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: e Nobody able to come up with a list of prosecutions with prison sentences for what Hunter did? Weird. The above is what you said, I provided a few with about 4 minutes of looking. I never said 10 year sentences as most get reduced with a plea but don't act like it never happens because it certainly does. It should happen more and Biden is supposedly pushing for tougher laws on this but probably not in this case. Not as weird as you thinking straw purchasing is the same crime as what Hunter did, but I guess reading might be harder for some than others.
June 21, 20232 yr Just now, GreenReaper said: Who did Hunter give the gun to so it could be discarded near a school? He has no business having a gun just like these other people and should be prosecuted just like the others. What better way to show your really serious about enforcing gun violations? That's not what straw purchasing is. Do we have to spell it out for you, or can you take some initiative to bridge the gap?
June 21, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, GreenReaper said: The above is what you said, I provided a few with about 4 minutes of looking. I never said 10 year sentences as most get reduced with a plea but don't act like it never happens because it certainly does. It should happen more and Biden is supposedly pushing for tougher laws on this but probably not in this case. No, you provided a bunch of cases with additional charges and circumstances well beyond what Hunter was accused of or plead to. I'm being very specific here, because that's how sentencing works. If the crime you're convicted of or plead to amounts to lying on a form to obtain a weapon, and that's it, you're unlikely to see prison time. It will likely mean probation, a fine, and failing a background check for purchasing a weapon in the future. But not prison. If you lie on your form to obtain a weapon (or many weapons in the cases of those sentenced to prison time), then sell or give that weapon to someone else as a straw purchase, yeah you're more likely to get prison time. This is not complicated.
June 21, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, GreenReaper said: Who did Hunter give the gun to so it could be discarded near a school? He has no business having a gun just like these other people and should be prosecuted just like the others. What better way to show your really serious about enforcing gun violations? You failed. Now you keep failing. Hunter Biden has made you a failure.
June 21, 20232 yr It really is amazing how Biden turned these Trump appointees, and bent them to his will. BEWARE THE POWER OF DARK BRANDON!!!
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