October 16, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: 200K+ dead Americans. A faltering economy. Millions out of work. Why would anyone possibly vote for more of that? Re tweeting videos of Americans yelling white, powera, failing to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it, getting destroyed on the US/China Farm Bill List is hundreds long at this point
October 16, 20205 yr Author 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: 200K+ dead Americans. A faltering economy. Millions out of work. Why would anyone possibly vote for more of that? We need to vote out coronavirus in November! Can't be free.
October 16, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Kz! said: We need to vote out coronavirus in November! Can't be free.
October 16, 20205 yr can't vote out COVID-19. but you can vote out the incompetent jackarse whose response prioritized the stock market over American lives.
October 16, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: can't vote out COVID-19. but you can vote out the incompetent jackarse whose response prioritized the stock market over American lives. And only because he thought it would help his reelection chances.
October 16, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: We need to vote out coronavirus in November! Can't be free. Exactly! Now you're getting it, tubby!
October 16, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: can't vote out COVID-19. but you can vote out the incompetent jackarse whose response prioritized the stock market over American lives. remember early on when he wouldn't let that cruise ship dock in the u.s. because it would make the number look bad? the guy is a loon.
October 16, 20205 yr Author 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: can't vote out COVID-19. but you can vote out the incompetent jackarse whose response prioritized the stock market over American lives. Right, can't vote out COVID so you can vote for the guy who will tighten lockdown rules and hurt the economy and cost American jobs. So, Van should probably either remove the death count or the bit about the economy from his initial post because there's really no way to balance the two. You can either limit the death count and hurt the economy or allow the death count to rise to save the economy. You can't do both.
October 16, 20205 yr 7 minutes ago, Kz! said: Right, can't vote out COVID so you can vote for the guy who will tighten lockdown rules and hurt the economy and cost American jobs. "Biden's gonna force all the governors to lock down! We're doomed!" Quote So, Van should probably either remove the death count or the bit about the economy from his initial post because there's really no way to balance the two. You can either limit the death count and hurt the economy or allow the death count to rise to save the economy. You can't do both. Only if you keep listening to morons like Tucker Carlson who thinks masks do nothing.
October 16, 20205 yr Author 27 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Unlike most in here, I have zero respect for career, do nothing politicians and think they make terrible presidents. Trump is may be a bully, a loudmouth and an assh*le, but he has accomplished far more in real life that Joe Biden. I've worked with and for a few guys like Trump. I hated working for them at the time, but they are effective changing the game when it needs to be changed. Our country is a mess and in my opinion more of the same from a Joe Biden presidency is not what we need right now. I don't know why you try. Just embrace the heel role in here and go full "trumpbot." Nuance is lost on these people. I mean, you can argue that you think a guy that's publicly supported the green new deal, endorsed 8 year-old transgenderism, threatened to impose new lockdowns, enflamed racial tensions, said cops should start shooting people in the leg, said he'd give healthcare to illegal immigrants, essentially confirmed he'll pack the supreme court allowing psychotic liberals to run roughshod over the constitution, promised to expand every big govt. federal program you can think of, etc. etc. is slightly more dangerous than Trump, but there's no point. So you may as well just have fun with it.
October 16, 20205 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Right, can't vote out COVID so you can vote for the guy who will tighten lockdown rules and hurt the economy and cost American jobs. So, Van should probably either remove the death count or the bit about the economy from his initial post because there's really no way to balance the two. You can either limit the death count and hurt the economy or allow the death count to rise to save the economy. You can't do both. 100% wrong, as usual. If we would've gotten a better handle on the virus from the start, we could've mitigated the economic damage and sped up the recovery. Failure across the board from the Trump administration. They ignored it, failed to protect the American people and let it run rampant, so the economy hasn't been able to kick back into gear. You desperately want it to be a binary choice between protecting the American people and helping the economy, but it's not. The two are linked. Control the virus and you'll improve the economy. Trump never got his sheet together, so here we are, leading the world in Covid deaths and with millions out of work. Why would anyone vote for this kind of failure?
October 16, 20205 yr 32 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Unlike most in here, I have zero respect for career, do nothing politicians and think they make terrible presidents. I prefer reality show host snake oil salesman who have a long history of failed business ventures and bankruptcies. FTP
October 16, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: I don't know why you try. Just embrace the heel role in here and go full "trumpbot." Nuance is lost on these people. I mean, you can argue that you think a guy that's publicly supported the green new deal, endorsed 8 year-old transgenderism, threatened to impose new lockdowns, enflamed racial tensions, said cops should start shooting people in the leg, said he'd give healthcare to illegal immigrants, essentially confirmed he'll pack the supreme court allowing psychotic liberals to run roughshod over the constitution, promised to expand every big govt. federal program you can think of, etc. etc. is slightly more dangerous than Trump, but there's no point. So you may as well just have fun with it. make yourself look like a moron with one self-own after another, and expose your own racism and stupidity so much that you become the punchline of the forum. fyp
October 16, 20205 yr 36 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Our country is a mess Who has been president the last 4 years ??
October 16, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Only if you keep listening to morons like Tucker Carlson who thinks masks are pointless. the mask thing is just nuts. all cheeto had to do was embrace & promote mask wearing early on...right when the cdc started recommending them. sell maga masks on his web site...whatever. if both sides had promoted mask wearing, it wouldn't even be an issue. instead, you have people getting into arguments & fist fights in grocery stores. but cheeto couldn't do that one, small thing...because he's an insecure dufus & has this infantile notion that a mask makes him look weak. he's a failure on just about every level.
October 16, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: the mask thing is just nuts. all cheeto had to do was embrace & promote mask wearing early on...right when the cdc started recommending them. sell maga masks on his web site...whatever. if both sides had promoted mask wearing, it wouldn't even be an issue. instead, you have people getting into arguments & fist fights in grocery stores. but cheeto couldn't do that one, small thing...because he's an insecure dufus & has this infantile notion that a mask makes him look weak. he's a failure on just about every level. Exactly. My first thought with masks was sweet..........a reason to buy something with an Eagles logo on it. I had literally run out of options for things to buy with an Eagles logo.
October 16, 20205 yr Author 9 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: 100% wrong, as usual. If we would've gotten a better handle on the virus from the start, we could've mitigated the economic damage and sped up the recovery. Failure across the board from the Trump administration. They ignored it, failed to protect the American people and let it run rampant, so the economy hasn't been able to kick back into gear. You desperately want it to be a binary choice between protecting the American people and helping the economy, but it's not. The two are linked. Control the virus and you'll improve the economy. Trump never got his sheet together, so here we are, leading the world in Covid deaths and with millions out of work. Why would anyone vote for this kind of failure? Nope. Trump's right to point out that Biden and the dems criticized him for banning travel to China. They've all gone on record as saying they would have been slower to react initially. That said, any mitigation efforts that would have real effects on deaths by nature will hurt the economy. So again, it's a balancing act. You can't have your cake in this situation and eat it too.
October 16, 20205 yr Author 8 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: the mask thing is just nuts. all cheeto had to do was embrace & promote mask wearing early on...right when the cdc started recommending them. sell maga masks on his web site...whatever. if both sides had promoted mask wearing, it wouldn't even be an issue. instead, you have people getting into arguments & fist fights in grocery stores. but cheeto couldn't do that one, small thing...because he's an insecure dufus & has this infantile notion that a mask makes him look weak. he's a failure on just about every level. The virus is rising dramatically in Europe and in many areas of the US despite mask mandates. They aren't some silver bullet that stops the virus.
October 16, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Nope. Trump's right to point out that Biden and the dems criticized him for banning travel to China. They've all gone on record as saying they would have been slower to react initially. That said, any mitigation efforts that would have real effects on deaths by nature will hurt the economy. So again, it's a balancing act. You can't have your cake in this situation and eat it too. Once the virus was here banning travel to China seemed pointless.
October 16, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: 200K+ dead Americans. A faltering economy. Millions out of work. Why would anyone possibly vote for more of that? Do you think the economy would be doing better under Biden or less people would be out of work?
October 16, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Kz! said: The virus is rising dramatically in Europe and in many areas of the US despite mask mandates. They aren't some silver bullet that stops the virus. That's not the point and you know that.
October 16, 20205 yr Author 4 minutes ago, downundermike said: Once the virus was here banning travel to China seemed pointless. I disagree that banning travel from hotspots is pointless, and I think a lot of epidemiologists would too.
October 16, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said: Do you think the economy would be doing better under Biden or less people would be out of work? Absolutely.
October 16, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Kz! said: I disagree that banning travel from hotspots is pointless, and I think a lot of epidemiologists would too. Well we banned travel, and the virus seemed to have no problem spreading.
October 16, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said: Do you think the economy would be doing better under Biden or less people would be out of work? Yes. Because we would have dealt with this better, have more robust testing and much wider adoption of masks. The initial hit to the economy and jobs was unavoidable, but with real leadership we would actually have rebounded faster and not be staring a second wave in the face. Look at things like air travel in China and Europe -- bounced back much harder than here.
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