August 1, 20232 yr Just now, toolg said: Big news, if true. We are bending over backwards to figure out if Hunter and Joe did or didn't... Yet the Trump family is doing stuff like this all the time and we just expect it from them. I mean the man pays $5 a month for a blue check mark, he must be on to something.
August 1, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, toolg said: Big news, if true. We are bending over backwards to figure out if Hunter and Joe did or didn't... Yet the Trump family is doing stuff like this all the time and we just expect it from them. - MAGA
August 3, 20232 yr Crackhead Hunter using the family name to enrich himself and testimony under oath from the GOP star witness that Joe never once discussed business and no bribes or crimes were committed? I swear I remember a bunch of people saying this was the case for years on here...
August 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, mayanh8 said: Crackhead Hunter using the family name to enrich himself and testimony under oath from the GOP star witness that Joe never once discussed business and no bribes or crimes were committed? I swear I remember a bunch of people saying this was the case for years on here...
August 3, 20232 yr https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf Transcript released. Here are some highlights: From the GOP Direct examination: Quote Q And this is an email. It states from Robert Biden, who's Hunter Biden, to 6 you, Devon Archer, dated April 12th of 2014, with a subject line "Tmrw." 7 And I'd like to turn your attention to paragraph 18 on the second page. I'm going 8 to read it. 9 A Sure. 10 Q "The announcement of my guy's upcoming travels should be characterized 11 as part of our advice and thinking -- but what he will say and do is out of our hands. In 12 other words, it could be a really good thing or it could end up creating too great an 13 expectation. We need to temper expectations regarding that visit." 14 Do you recall Hunter Biden referring to his dad as "my guy"? 15 A I believe, yes. 16 Q Given that he's referring to his dad, the average person would refer to their 17 dad as "dad" or "father" or maybe there's another nickname, but not many people would 18 refer to their dad as "my guy." Mr. Archer. What I think, you know, it -- my speculation would be that he 7 was -- he's saying that, you know, we can't -- I can't guide my guy, you know, I can't guide 8 my father in what he's going to do on this trip, but let's get credit for it. I think that's 9 what it's saying here. Mr. Archer. He was getting paid a lot of money, and I think, you know, he 20 wanted to show value. Q But when you say "get credit" -- 1 A He's not -- he was not determining -- he wasn't setting his dad's schedule to 2 bring him to Ukraine, I don't think. But, essentially, Hunter Biden copies and pastes what appears to be a quote from 21 his father's speech while Vice President Biden was in the Ukraine. 22 You then respond, "Wow. We need to make sure this ragtag temporary 23 government in the Ukraine understands the value of Burisma to its very existence." 24 Hunter Biden then said, "You should send to Vadym" -- and who is Vadym again? Mr. Archer. Vadym is the corporate secretary of Burisma. 1 Mr. Mandolfo. "It makes it look like we are adding value." Mr. Mandolfo. You keep saying "the brand," but by "brand" you mean the Biden 13 family, correct? 14 Mr. Archer. Correct. 15 Mr. Mandolfo. And that brand is what, in your opinion, was the majority of what 16 the value that was delivered from Hunter Biden to Burisma? 17 Mr. Archer. I didn't say majority, but I wouldn't speculate on percentages. But 18 I do think that that was an element of it. 19 Mr. Biggs. When you say "Biden family" -- sorry to cut in here. I just want to 20 get a clarification. 21 You aren't talking about Dr. Jill or anybody else. You're talking about Joe Biden. 22 Is that fair to say? 23 Mr. Archer. Yeah, that's fair to say. Listen, I think it's -- I don't think about it as, 24 you know, Joe directly, but it's fair. That's fair to say Hunter selling the illusion of access while having no ability to actually have his dad do anything. Still reading/skimming, but nothing so far
August 3, 20232 yr I'd seen a few things pulled out on the twitters but it amounts to bupkis if you're looking for anything incriminating Joe.
August 3, 20232 yr More from GOP questioning: Quote Mr. Jordan. The request from Mr. -- from Mykola Zlochevsky and Vadym to Mr. 24 Biden and/or if you said it was to you, the request for help from whom to deal with what pressure? 1 Mr. Archer. The request -- you know, basically the request is like, can D.C. help? 2 But there were not -- you know, I'm not going to -- there were not -- it wasn't like -- there 3 weren't specific, you know, can the big guy help? It was -- it's always this amorphous, 4 can we get help in D.C.? 5 Mr. Jordan. The request was help from the United States Government to deal 6 with the pressure they were under from their prosecutor, and that entailed the freezing 7 of assets at the London bank and other things that were going on in Ukraine? 8 Mr. Archer. Correct. Mr. Archer. Well, I mean, he was a lobbyist and an expert and obviously he 4 carried, you know, a very powerful name. So I think it was -- that's what they were 5 asking for. 6 They had -- they also -- you know, there was a firm, Blue Star Strategies, that was 7 hired to be, you know, kind of the -- I don't know if they were a lobbying firm or just 8 strategic advisory. It's still unclear what the difference is. But, you know, that was 9 part of the mix. 10 But it was -- yeah, it was a high-pressure environment, and there was -- there was 11 constant requests for help. Q What did Hunter Biden do after he was given that request? 14 A Listen, I did not hear this phone call, but he -- he called his dad. 15 Q How do you know that? 16 A Because he -- because I think Vadym told me. But, again, it's unclear. I 17 just know that there was a call that happened there and I was not privy to it. 18 Q What did Vadym tell you about the call? 19 A Just that -- just that they -- "We called D.C." But he didn't -- you know, 20 again, it's not like the -- there was not a -- there was not, "Oh, we've got all our problems 21 solved" kind of, you know, revelation. I was -- I was not on that side of the equation and 22 kind of working on the lobbying side of the business. Q Was it during that drive back that Vadym told you that Hunter Biden had 4 called VP Biden at that time? 5 A It would have been at some point there or after. You know, maybe the 6 next day. Again, we spent -- you know, on a board trip where you travel with people 7 from all over the world, we spent 3 days together. 8 So the exact time I can't say, but that was the -- that was the -- that was -- that's 9 what happened. 10 Mr. Schwartz. He told you expressly he called his father or that he called D.C.? 11 Mr. Archer. D.C., D.C. This is probably the most troubling part so far, where Archer says he was told that Hunter called "DC." But he is clear that he wasn't on the call, was told this by one of the Burisma executives, and was told Hunter called "DC", not explicitly his father. And of course, it sounds like the call didn't result in anything.
August 3, 20232 yr Oh FFS. Archer testified that Burisma DIDN'T want Shokin fired because they had control of him. The argument that Biden demanded Shokin be fired as quid pro quo just died. Quote A So -- yes. I was -- the narrative that was spun to me, quite frankly, just to 13 be -- and I remember this because, obviously, it's -- the narrative that was spun to me was 14 that Shokin was under control and that whoever the next person that was brought in 15 was -- you know, the fact that he was -- this is the total, this is the narrative spun to me, 16 that Shokin being fired was a -- was not good, because he was like under control as 17 relates to Mykola. 18 I have no way to verify that. And that was spun to me from various folks in D.C., 19 not Hunter specifically, but that was what I was led to believe. Whether it's true or not, 20 I cannot speculate.
August 3, 20232 yr I can't figure out what gives me more pleasure... Watching MAGA figures being held accountable for criming Watching MAGA figures faceplant trying to project their criming onto everyone else.
August 3, 20232 yr Quote Q -- have you ever been privy to Hunter Biden calling his father around other 8 either potential business investors or other foreign nationals who Hunter Biden or you 9 may have been trying to work with or were working with? 10 A Yes. 11 Q Can you please tell the committee about that? 12 A Again, it's -- as far as specifics, we can talk about it. But, you know, Hunter 13 spoke to his dad every day, right? 14 And so in certain circumstances, when you're in -- you know, if his dad calls him at 15 dinner and he picks up the phone, then there's a conversation. And the, you know, the 16 conversation is generally about the weather and, you know, what it's like in Norway or 17 Paris or wherever he may be. But that was -- yeah, that happened. Q Are you aware of Hunter Biden putting his -- or have been told that Hunter 4 Biden put his father on speakerphone during any of these interactions that you're just 5 describing now? 6 A Yes. 7 Q Can you please tell us about that? 8 A He put him on speakerphone, again, occasionally. Specifics, like, you know, 9 dinner -- you know, dinners occasionally. 10 Q Can you tell us about those dinners? 11 A Yeah. I remember a dinner in Paris with a French energy company that 12 was -- we were speaking to an advisor, and then -- we were speaking to. And it was 13 really a Rosemont Seneca Advisors type of -- a Rosemont Seneca Advisors kind of a pitch, 14 at the end of the day. And there was a talk, and he said that we're at this -- you know, 15 we're at this restaurant in Paris, and he put him on the speaker. So that did happen. 16 There were other people there. 17 Q Who else was there? 18 A There was me, myself; Hunter; Eric Schwerin; and then the executives from 19 the French energy company. Q Do you recall other times where Hunter Biden placed his dad on 2 speakerphone? 3 A In you know, a dinner -- a dinner in -- with BHR, with Jonathan Li. 4 Q Where was that dinner? 5 A In Beijing, at, you know, some restaurant -- or Chengdu or something like 6 that. I don't remember the -- I don't remember specifics. This was just -- it was 7 not -- it was like a, you know -- especially with the time zone difference, there was -- you 8 know, there were meetings where his dad would call and he would be talking to him or 9 put him on speaker. I'm not going to -- you know, that's -- that happened. 10 Q And with the phone call with Jonathan Li, do you recall what was said while 11 VP Biden -- 12 A Yeah. 13 Q -- was on the call? 14 A I mean, on any of the specifics, like, from a blanket perspective, it was 15 always, you know, what's the -- you know, not necessarily the weather, but, you know, 16 there's no -- there was no -- and I think you have to understand that there was no 17 business conversation about a cap table or a fee or anything like that. It was, you know, 18 just general niceties and, you know, conversation in general, you know, about the 19 geography, about the weather, whatever it may be. 20 But just on -- as far as, like, a blanket for all of them, let's just go with the -- there 21 was not a specific time that I witnessed a, you know, specific business deal or business 22 dealings or, you know, specifics about any kind of financial stuff. Mr. Jordan. Would he just say, like, "Hey, guys, my dad's on the phone. Dad, 24 can you say hi to" -- Mr. Archer. Yeah. 1 Mr. Jordan. -- you know -- 2 Mr. Archer. There you go. See? Politician. 3 Mr. Jordan. Well, I'm sure that that took place in addition to just talking about 4 the weather. 5 Mr. Archer. Yeah. So Joe called his son, who put him on speaker a couple of times to say hello. Massive conspiracy.
August 3, 20232 yr Quote Mr. Archer. Then -- then Hunter went to the Four Seasons. That was -- and he 7 met his -- you know, one of his friends was a manager and used to be in Georgetown. 8 And then we -- you know, later in the evening, we went over there, you know, not, 9 like -- whatever. I don't know the time. And then Vadym, Zlochevsky, and myself 10 went -- 11 Mr. Jordan. Right. 12 Mr. Archer. -- later. 13 Mr. Jordan. Okay. 14 Mr. Archer. So that's when we met up. And they were -- you know, they 15 were -- it was this, you know, specifically under -- you know, they were feeling the heat or 16 whatever. And they were like, okay, can we -- can we call D.C. 17 And, again, I can't -- on that particular -- you know, there were conference calls 18 where we talked around the table. On that call, I was not in the earshot of that -- of 19 that. But I know that there was -- you know, there was a call made. 20 Mr. Jordan. Okay. 21 Mr. Archer. But that was the sequence of events.
August 3, 20232 yr 29 minutes ago, vikas83 said: So Joe called his son, who put him on speaker a couple of times to say hello. Massive conspiracy. Uh, I think you missed the part where they talked about the weather.
August 3, 20232 yr Quote Q And do you remember, when he arrived, what he did, who he talked to? 8 A Yeah. He entered the room and shook everybody's hand. And, you know, 9 the conversation -- you know, again, I don't want to be -- it's important that I'm accurate. 10 I don't really remember it. You know, I don't -- not really. I don't remember the 11 conversation. I just remember that he was -- he came to dinner, and we ate and kind of 12 talked about the world, I guess, and the weather, and then everybody -- everybody left. 13 As far as -- I know you're probably going to ask, you know, how much time. I 14 don't -- it wasn't 5 minutes; it wasn't 3 hours. Biden at a dinner with no one from Burisma. Important stuff.
August 3, 20232 yr Quote Mr. Archer. So we didn't raise capital from the Chinese. 3 Mr. Biggs. Okay, but the crux of the question is, did Hunter Biden ever talk to 4 you about how important that relationship with China was to his family, particularly to his 5 father? 6 Mr. Archer. No, not -- not -- not specifically. No. 7 Mr. Biggs. And did Hunter ever indicate to you that the Chinese anticipated that 8 after his father was out of office he might join their company with -- one of their 9 companies as a paid advisor? 10 Mr. Archer. Did he intimate that -- 11 Mr. Biggs. Did he indicate that to you? 12 Mr. Archer. I don't recall, but potentially. 13 Mr. Biggs. You don't recall, but it's not new to you, is what you're saying. 14 Mr. Archer. It's not new to me. 15 Mr. Biggs. Thank you. They didn't raise money from Chinese investors. The Chinese investors thought VP Biden might join them as an advisor...after he left office. So far, this thing is embarrassing for the GOP.
August 3, 20232 yr After almost 3 years and 140 pages of nothing even remotely resembling a "bombshell" in this thread, finally there's hope. A supposed whistleblower that's gonna expose the corruption once and for all. Now imagine the feeling of emptiness and despair these rubes must be going through after this "smoking gun" testimony turned out to prove the exact opposite.
August 3, 20232 yr So what I’m getting out of it is that Hunter is a grifter who fakes access to his dad for clients. The thing that irks me the most is that the plea bargain was light.
August 3, 20232 yr Quote All right. Let's move on to the second dinner -- 24 A The second dinner. -- the spring 2015 Cafe Milano. Who was there? 1 A That dinner was -- I think we went over it before, but it was Vadym, Hunter, 2 Joe, myself, Karim Massimov, a Greek Orthodox priest, maybe someone from World Food 3 Programme. 4 Q And what did Joe do at that dinner? Did he have dinner? How long was 5 he there? 6 A He had dinner. He had dinner. And there was -- on that one, I believe the 7 first one was, like, a birthday dinner, and then the second was -- I think we were 8 supposed to talk about the World Food Programme. So there was some talk about that. A birthday dinner and one for a charity
August 3, 20232 yr Quote Q What were Jonathan Li, you, and Hunter talking about at the time that 16 Hunter Biden put his dad on the phone? 17 A Beijing, how great Beijing is -- or Chengdu, whichever city we were in. But, 18 you know, same answers -- non-specifics relative to business and just, you know, an 19 expression of hellos, I guess.
August 3, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Bill said: So what I’m getting out of it is that Hunter is a grifter who fakes access to his dad for clients. The thing that irks me the most is that the plea bargain was light. if you're being charitable, Hunter was willing to let his employer imagine that VP Joe was doing things like visiting Ukraine based in some part his influence, but he was canny enough to manage expectations about what he might say when visiting. this actually makes Hunter seem far less stupid than I previously assumed.
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