6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Meh. Driving is a privilege, not a right. I'm pretty sure the courts have consistently upheld that this falls within constitutionally authorized regulatory functions at the state level. 

Not the federal, but state.

 

Just now, Paul852 said:

They are? In what way exactly? I'm not being a smart a** here. I'm genuinely curious why seat belt laws fall under the category of being unconstitutional.

The Constitution protects your right to free speech, freedom of expression, etc. That includes the right to express your stupidity, so long as you don't endanger others and infringe on their rights. Not wearing a seat belt only puts that person at risk. The argument made is that it hurts others by raising insurance costs because of greater injury -- that's why I would allow insurance to deny coverage if you don't wear a seat belt. It's the same reason I view laws banning the consumption of drugs to be unconstitutional -- if you want to inject mass quantities of heroin in your own home, that's your right. 

I know the courts have ruled they are Constitutional. I think the Courts are mistaken.

2 minutes ago, Kz! said:

science.

great answer, but WRONG.  Science most certainly doesn't state 99.99% of patients recover.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

My hope is that the GOP retreats, reforms and comes back with a strong candidate in 2024 that can win. I had hopes for Nikki Haley, but she may be too aligned with Trumpism. But 4 more years of Trump will destroy the conservative values of the GOP once and for all, leaving no place for small government conservatives to turn.

Yup. Hogan seems to be one of the guys beleaguered Republicans are turning to to come in and stump for them (like Collins in Maine). He's well liked broadly, and has some cred as a popular Republican governor in a Blue state.

Wish he looked more presidential on camera, but after the fat f#@$ that's been in the White House the last four years I think he'd be ok.

If we wanted a "tell it like it is" kind of brash Republican we should have gone with Christie. He's at least competent and not a total partisan. I think that ship has sailed though. 

17 hours ago, Smokesdawg said:

/thread.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Because they are Unconstitutional. You can't force someone to wear a seat belt -- they have every right to be a moron. Now, I would support the right of an insurance company not to cover you if it can be proven that you weren't wearing a seat belt. That should be the incentive, from the private sector.

Someone not wearing a seat belt only endangers himself. People have the right to be idiots. Someone driving drunk puts others at risk -- they don't have the right to do that.

^This

41 minutes ago, barho said:

not really sure where you keep pulling this 99.99% recovery rate from, but whatever.

He's not tethered to fact.

35 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Yup. Hogan seems to be one of the guys beleaguered Republicans are turning to to come in and stump for them (like Collins in Maine). He's well liked broadly, and has some cred as a popular Republican governor in a Blue state.

Wish he looked more presidential on camera, but after the fat f#@$ that's been in the White House the last four years I think he'd be ok.

If we wanted a "tell it like it is" kind of brash Republican we should have gone with Christie. He's at least competent and not a total partisan. I think that ship has sailed though. 

Hogan just voted for Reagan   he’s earned my vote. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/16/politics/larry-hogan-ronald-reagan-donald-trump/index.html

44 minutes ago, barho said:

not really sure where you keep pulling this 99.99% recovery rate from, but whatever.

0.06% of Americans have died of COVID already. if we were to go with the prevailing notion that around 10% of the population has contracted COVID, that means the case fatality rate is around 0.6%. 

0.6% may not sound like much, but for a virus as communicable as the one that causes COVID it translates into a LOT of deaths.

5 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Hogan just voted for Reagan   he’s earned my vote. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/16/politics/larry-hogan-ronald-reagan-donald-trump/index.html

Hogan voted for this guy?

Interesting.

3 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

200K+ dead Americans.  A faltering economy.  Millions out of work.  Why would anyone possibly vote for more of that?

Because if Biden was in charge it would have been infinitely worse

9 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Because if Biden was in charge it would have been infinitely worse

Literally anyone would've done better than Trump.  Even you, Norsman.

2 hours ago, Kz! said:

I don't know why you try. Just embrace the heel role in here and go full "trumpbot." Nuance is lost on these people. I mean, you can argue that you think a guy that's publicly supported the green new deal, endorsed 8 year-old transgenderism, threatened to impose new lockdowns, enflamed racial tensions, said cops should start shooting people in the leg, said he'd give healthcare to illegal immigrants, essentially confirmed he'll pack the supreme court allowing psychotic liberals to run roughshod over the constitution, promised to expand every big govt. federal program you can think of, etc. etc. is slightly more dangerous than Trump, but there's no point. So you may as well just have fun with it.

I'm hanging onto the dream that we may still be able to have a viable debate in this country....no matter how far fetched that may seem in this forum

1 minute ago, VanHammersly said:

Literally anyone would've done better than Trump.  Even you, Norsman.

Thanks man, I apprecieate that

14 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Because if Biden was in charge it would have been infinitely worse

3 hours ago, The Norseman said:

 

Those of you are are fiscal conservatives and voting for Biden better seriously consider a split ticket vote. 

The incumbent republicans have been enablers to a 2 bit tyrant and wanna be dictator. They have allowed him to consistently break the law and commit treason against our country. They all need to go (except Romney)

I don't know how I missed that post. But I'm sorry, you do not get to call Republicans fiscal conservatives. 

Federal deficits by year pre-COVID were WAY UP. During a time of low unemployment and decent GDP growth, we ran ridiculous deficits. 

No. Republicans are in no way fiscal conservatives. And they're worse on the deficit/debt than Democrats.

Defending Trump's COVID response is like defending Nate Gerry's performance at linebacker. The chances of anyone doing worse are slim to none. 

11 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Defending Trump's COVID response is like defending Nate Gerry's performance at linebacker. The chances of anyone doing worse are slim to none. 

This is brilliantly stated so that even a TATER would. . .well, maybe not a TATER but a. . yeah.

Still brilliant.

Think Senator Tim Scott from SC would be a good presidential candidate down the road for Republicans. 

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I don't know how I missed that post. But I'm sorry, you do not get to call Republicans fiscal conservatives. 

Federal deficits by year pre-COVID were WAY UP. During a time of low unemployment and decent GDP growth, we ran ridiculous deficits. 

No. Republicans are in no way fiscal conservatives. And they're worse on the deficit/debt than Democrats.

How many times do we have to go through this?  The large majority of fiscal spending is on interest on the debt from the big three social programs that were set up by Democrats....Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.  The Republicans have no ability to change any of those programs, nor can they curb mandatory spending in any way.  

Good idea though for a staunch fiscal conservative like yourself to vote for a guy who supports MORE government programs like the ones that are currently bleeding us dry.   

But wait, there's more!

It's about to get even uglier, if that's possible:

 

 

1 minute ago, Iggles25 said:

Think Senator Tim Scott from SC would be a good presidential candidate down the road for Republicans. 

Was he ever a game show host?

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

It's about to get even uglier, if that's possible:

 

Well that’s it, I’m not voting for Bevan Cooney this year.

3 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said:

 

Was he ever a game show host?

Nope. Owns an insurance company and also a partner in a real estate agency. Came from a poor, working-class family and overcame countless obstacles to achieve success. 'From cotton to Congress.' Really hope he gets a chance at some point.