October 20, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, NVeagle said: See how the Media can manipulate information. Let me know when you're out of the bargaining stage of grief.
October 20, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, NVeagle said: And those who made less than $400k had received an average of $2,000 in less taxes. Biden gets in and the tax cuts are repealed, they will pay $2,000 more per year. My tax returns are under audit so they will not be provided. Trump raised my taxes by 5k a year. I’d be happy if the tax code went back to what it was under Obama
October 20, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: clearly, the market doesn't care about deficits. under Trump and unified Republican government they were up 2-3x. and the market prices in what it thinks is the likely outcome. Biden is the heavy favorite at this stage. You honestly think the market prefers Biden over Trump? You are getting more delusional by the day.
October 20, 20205 yr Just now, The Norseman said: You honestly think the market prefers Biden over Trump? You are getting more delusional by the day. I have no idea who they prefer. What I said is they knew who they think will win. Biden. And that is priced in.
October 20, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, Joe Shades 73 said: Biden is not a good candidate and it is showing. Only reason he can win is because of who he is going up against, he is nowhere near as hated as Clinton though which is good Opposition candidates are often voted for in both the primaries and the general as a reaction to the incumbent. Biden is thoughtful, decent, and boring. He was picked precisely because he is those things and because Trump is a crass unhinged lunatic and the country is sick of him.
October 20, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, caesar said: OMG. How are people still undecided? Who are these idiots! Let's see, a con man, narcissist, criminal, inept bungler in a crisis vs nice guy Joe. Geez - I dunno what to do. duh duh. Maybe because "Nice Guy Joe" is the worst presidential challenger of all time and moderates don't like his platform.
October 20, 20205 yr Just now, The Norseman said: Maybe because "Nice Guy Joe" is the worst presidential challenger of all time and moderates don't like his platform. Walter Mondale says hello 😆
October 20, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Walter Mondale says hello 😆 Mondale at least still had his mental faculties and was from a swing state. Trust me, if Biden loses this election he'll go down as the worst ever.
October 21, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Maybe because "Nice Guy Joe" is the worst presidential challenger of all time and moderates don't like his platform. Biden's as moderate as they come. There are two options in this election, a moderate or an extremist. Trump's as extreme as they come, in every way, from tearing down American institutions, to stretching the credulity of the office and the constitutional limits on it, to pushing the country towards their most extreme positions on pretty much every issue. A vote for Trump is literally a vote to push the country off a ledge into the extremes of both parties for the foreseeable future.
October 21, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Biden's as moderate as they come. There are two options in this election, a moderate or an extremist. Trump's as extreme as they come, in every way, from tearing down American institutions, to stretching the credulity of the office and the constitutional limits on it, to pushing the country towards their most extreme positions on pretty much every issue. A vote for Trump is literally a vote to push the country off a ledge into the extremes of both parties for the foreseeable future. K.... I'm good with that....
October 21, 20205 yr 15 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Biden's as moderate as they come. There are two options in this election, a moderate or an extremist. Trump's as extreme as they come, in every way, from tearing down American institutions, to stretching the credulity of the office and the constitutional limits on it, to pushing the country towards their most extreme positions on pretty much every issue. A vote for Trump is literally a vote to push the country off a ledge into the extremes of both parties for the foreseeable future. Biden may be a moderate in comparison to the new hard left that has emerged, but historically he has been pretty far left. But it's not just about Biden. What I see is a Democrat party that represents a far more corrosive 4 years than anything Trump will could bring. I don't think constant race baiting, rioting, anti law enforcement narratives, revisionist history in schools, class warfare and climate hysteria is what this country needs right now. Sure, we'd have to put up Trump's annoying bragging and boasting for another four years, but he represents a far more moderate ticket that past republicans have. Trying to paint him as an "extremist" based on his policies doesn't make any sense.
October 21, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, Cthulhu said: K.... I'm good with that.... You should rethink that. The end result will almost certainly be a country you don't recognize and one that bends towards autocracy and away from democracy.
October 21, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Biden may be a moderate in comparison to the new hard left that has emerged, but historically he has been pretty far left. But it's not just about Biden. What I see is a Democrat party that represents a far more corrosive 4 years than anything Trump will could bring. I don't think constant race baiting, rioting, anti law enforcement narratives, revisionist history in schools, class warfare and climate hysteria is what this country needs right now. Sure, we'd have to put up Trump's annoying bragging and boasting for another four years, but he represents a far more moderate ticket that past republicans have. Trying to paint him as an "extremist" based on his policies doesn't make any sense. Again, a vote for Trump is a vote for the most extreme candidate and President we've ever had. If you value America and what it was built on, you'll vote against him. I know you won't so it doesn't matter, but it's just a fact.
October 21, 20205 yr 6 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Biden may be a moderate in comparison to the new hard left that has emerged, but historically he has been pretty far left. But it's not just about Biden. What I see is a Democrat party that represents a far more corrosive 4 years than anything Trump will could bring. I don't think constant race baiting, rioting, anti law enforcement narratives, revisionist history in schools, class warfare and climate hysteria is what this country needs right now. Sure, we'd have to put up Trump's annoying bragging and boasting for another four years, but he represents a far more moderate ticket that past republicans have. Trying to paint him as an "extremist" based on his policies doesn't make any sense. Of course that's what you see.
October 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Again, a vote for Trump is a vote for the most extreme candidate and President we've ever had. If you value America and what it was built on, you'll vote against him. I know you won't so it doesn't matter, but it's just a fact. It's not a fact, its an opinion. You and your friends in here seem to regularly get those confused.
October 21, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, The Norseman said: It's not a fact, its an opinion. You and your friends in here seem to regularly get those confused. No, it's a fact. Look, I'm not going to spar with you over it. We both know where each other stands, but if you value the country and it's founding principals of democracy and representative government, you'll vote against Trump. He is either the end of it, or a massive stepping stone towards the end of it. Either way, we have one election to turn away from autocracy and this is it. But, again, I know you're not changing your mind, so do what you like.
October 21, 20205 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: No, it's a fact. Look, I'm not going to spar with you over it. We both know where each other stands, but if you value the country and it's founding principals of democracy and representative government, you'll vote against Trump. He is either the end of it, or a massive stepping stone towards the end of it. Either way, we have one election to turn away from autocracy and this is it. But, again, I know you're not changing your mind, so do what you like. Trump’s policies were those of a generic moderate democratic 30+ years ago.
October 21, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Maybe because "Nice Guy Joe" is the worst presidential challenger of all time and moderates don't like his platform. That makes no sense at all. So alleged "moderates" would rather have Trump's trail of incompetence and sordidness and lawlessness? The hell with leadership in a crisis (or lack thereof); The hell with crimes in office and being impeached? Yeah, Biden is worse than THAT? Sorry, that logic doesn't compute. It is chaos and irrationality and ineptitude and demagoguery vs. a return to some calmness. If you don't know that - you aren't paying attention and you prefer chaos and dysfunction over normalcy. Really -- undecided. Please - they are Trump voters looking for any excuse to vote for Trump, cause they have some agenda.
October 21, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Again, a vote for Trump is a vote for the most extreme candidate and President we've ever had. If you value America and what it was built on, you'll vote against him. I know you won't so it doesn't matter, but it's just a fact. I see it the other way around.. I don't want socalism.... or a weak military, or high taxes, or illegal immigrants that have more rights and priveleges than I do.,I like having the police around when needed and not social workers. I don't like cities like San Fran that are safe havens for criminals. Or California in general with trying to push green a decade or so too early. hence blackouts, high energy costs, etc... I can go on, but what's the point here...
October 21, 20205 yr 49 minutes ago, The Norseman said: You honestly think the market prefers Biden over Trump? You are getting more delusional by the day. It doesn't matter -- Trump is dysfunction and chaos. Enough already -- let's return to normalcy, a little calm. We could all use it. Stock market, policy -- pshaw - what is this, 1988? That's not relevant with the demagogue in office. It's a stark choice between tearing down institutions and raging like a bull in a china shop vs. a caretaker prez who will restore some sense of sanity. I think your 401k will be fine with Biden too. Relax and stop the wallstreet scaremongering.
October 21, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, TEW said: Trump’s policies were those of a generic moderate democratic 30+ years ago. How about you back up a minute there chief and qualify that. Because it seems to me you've been drinking too much overpriced scotch.
October 21, 20205 yr 2 minutes ago, Cthulhu said: I see it the other way around.. I don't want socalism.... or a weak military, or high taxes, or illegal immigrants that have more rights and priveleges than I do.,I like having the police around when needed and not social workers. I don't like cities like San Fran that are safe havens for criminals. Or California in general with trying to push green a decade or so too early. hence blackouts, high energy costs, etc... I can go on, but what's the point here... Oh, ok. So you're insane.
October 21, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, TEW said: Trump’s policies were those of a generic moderate democratic 30+ years ago. I mean, Trump doesn't really have policies. Not in the way of implementing programs or ushering bills through Congress anyway. His only concrete positions are just about consolidating power, eroding trust in our institutions and our standing abroad. Democrats 30+ years ago had a pretty firm ideology centered around a strong social safety net, the expansion of healthcare, etc. I mean, Dems created Medicare and Medicaid over 30 years ago. Might want to rethink that one.
October 21, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, Cthulhu said: I see it the other way around.. I don't want socalism.... or a weak military, or high taxes, or illegal immigrants that have more rights and priveleges than I do.,I like having the police around when needed and not social workers. I don't like cities like San Fran that are safe havens for criminals. Or California in general with trying to push green a decade or so too early. hence blackouts, high energy costs, etc... I can go on, but what's the point here... I'll be simpler. I like waking up and not even thinking about who the president is or what he did to further embarrass himself or this country.
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