1 minute ago, DeathByEagle said:

The problem is Doug, not Wentz

Doug is not the biggest problem. Is he forcing Wentz to make erratic throws? Force throws, put the ball on the ground, make the same old dumb decisions?

12 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Lol. Kyler, Wilson, and Lamar all make and extend plays with their legs. The Seahawks oline has improved the last two years and so have Wilsons numbers. The Ravens don't have a bad oline, in fact they are pretty good. Kyler completed 37 percent of his passes against the cowboys. 37 percent. The Bengals also do not have a bad oline, see joe mixons numbers. It's fine if you don't watch other teams and want to have double standards for Wentz. I can admit his flaws, you just can't admit anyone else's. 

I'm not reaching. Watch the games. There's no hot routes. You're issue isn't with doug here not Wentz. 

Honestly not going to get into a pissing contest with you, I watch a lot of football and even have a podcast I do weekly to talk Eagles and other teams. I enjoy it. (not my podcast just help with it). I want to talk about 2 things though you are saying

Kyle Wilson Lamar can all extend their plays with their legs. Yup they can, and so can Carson. You just called out Carsons best strength that in the past 3 years has really looked awful. So to say 3 QBs that are clearly outplaying Carson the same way Carson should be playing doesn't hold much salt.

Then you talk about 1 Game Kyler had against the Cowboys.. Ok lets then pick 1 game this year Kyler played...against the Seahawks.. 70.8 completed.

We can go all day picking 1 game here 1 game there. We are talking about a years, not just a game but YEARS of bad play and poor choices.

 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Doug is not the biggest problem. Is he forcing Wentz to make erratic throws? Force throws, put the ball on the ground, make the same old dumb decisions?

More then half the INTs are the recs being lazy. Reagor slowing down thinking Wentz is throwing out of bounds, Not comeing back and fading out on a comeback route. Hightower same issue week 1. Etrz getting bumped and completely stops his timed route and Wentz throws to open air. More then half these picks are not even on Wentz. 

And on top of that, yes it is Dougs fault. these game plans are so bad, do you ever see any rec just get open? rub routes, floods etc? No. Doug is running the same old route combo all game every game. We had 1, count it 1 RPO last night and what happens? Wide open Dallas Goedert. Other teams scheme for the team they are playing, Doug is just throwing the same crap out there and hoping this time it works. 

11 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The problem is Doug, not Wentz

I was at the game last night, and I saw the same thing as usual. No recs are getting open. When you guys are watching these games on TV you cant see all teh recs and coverage, they are just not getting open. Wentz is trying to buy time to get someone, anyone open which is creating these fumble issues. Now yes, he needs to be smarter with just throwing away the ball. But the play design is just so plain Jane the defense knows whats coming. Zero creativity in scheme. Everything is the same comeback route on the outside and a go route. 

The Cowboys are a fast pace blitzing team. Doug should have been game planning for RPOs, crosses, drags, slants, uses the Hb in the flats, swings, wheels. Mix some short outs, curls in there. Routes that get the ball out fast and can flood areas to open up the zone that Dallas likes to play on the back end. Doug had a week and a half to game plan for this and failed in all areas. 

Now the other issues is these recs. Reagor yes it waas his first game back, but he is the fault of the Wentz INT. When Wentz threw that ball Reagor had a step on both DBs, you can see him give up and slow down at the back end which results in the DB running by him to pick it off. Maybe Jalen thought Wentz was throwing it out of bounds but you never give up on a route till the play is dead. This is the 2nnd pick that was his fault in his short career. Week 1 he ran a lazy comeback route that he never came back, he faded outside which lead to the DB jumping the route. 

Now for Hightower and the 2nd pick. This one could be either or. Wentz said where the DB was in position the right spot to place the ball is outside, where he threw the ball and Hightoiwer was not on the same page and cut inside. There is a major disconnect between these recs and Wentz. Seams only Travis is making the plays and going after the ball. 

Until Doug gives up play calling, game planning this team and Wentz will fail and not be successful. This team is not prepared each and every week. this falls on Doug. 

Maybe doug needs 9 OC instead of 8 to bring some creativity😒

Just now, Utebird said:

Maybe doug needs 9 OC instead of 8 to bring some creativity😒

I think your right, 9 has be the magic number. 8 is just not cutting it. 

17 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I can see you're feeling positive today buddy... 😁

I hate this oline and how great they’ve been claimed to be. 

12 minutes ago, Sturm said:

Honestly not going to get into a pissing contest with you, I watch a lot of football and even have a podcast I do weekly to talk Eagles and other teams. I enjoy it. (not my podcast just help with it). I want to talk about 2 things though you are saying

Kyle Wilson Lamar can all extend their plays with their legs. Yup they can, and so can Carson. You just called out Carsons best strength that in the past 3 years has really looked awful. So to say 3 QBs that are clearly outplaying Carson the same way Carson should be playing doesn't hold much salt.

Then you talk about 1 Game Kyler had against the Cowboys.. Ok lets then pick 1 game this year Kyler played...against the Seahawks.. 70.8 completed.

We can go all day picking 1 game here 1 game there. We are talking about a years, not just a game but YEARS of bad play and poor choices.

 

Ok so you want wentz to use his legs more. So complain about Doug not calling rollouts and bootlegs more. You can’t just start running somewhere because of pressure and expect a good play to happen. See the wentz fumble when he scrambled to the left and had literally no eagle player in sight. Yes that was on wentz. He’s far from perfect but the biggest problem is this oline and had been for years. 

9 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

More then half the INTs are the recs being lazy. Reagor slowing down thinking Wentz is throwing out of bounds, Not comeing back and fading out on a comeback route. Hightower same issue week 1. Etrz getting bumped and completely stops his timed route and Wentz throws to open air. More then half these picks are not even on Wentz. 

Oh right. And then there was the racoon. That little so and so caused chaos. 

Just now, 20dawk4life said:

Ok so you want wentz to use his legs more. So complain about Doug not calling rollouts and bootlegs more. You can’t just start running somewhere because of pressure and expect a good play to happen. See the wentz fumble when he scrambled to the left and had literally no eagle player in sight. Yes that was on wentz. He’s far from perfect but the biggest problem is this oline and had been for years. 

The Oline is playing OK football right now. They are not terrible nor are they great at all. There is enough blame to go around. Starting from Howie (who I have a lot of respect for...at least I did) all the way down to Special Team players. The Team as a whole is playing some bad football and some bad Coaching. This does start though with your GM Coach and Elite QB. All 3 are not what we expected for the past 3 years.

You say our Oline has been bad for years, but

2020 currently we are 22th in League..ok thats bad ill give you that.

2019 we are 14th. That is pretty good to me. Its not bad nor is it great.

2018 we are 19th. again Not great and boarder line bad to Ok

Yes our Oline hasn't been amazing but there are QBs who are doing more with worse. That is what we expect from our Elite QB who is paid 100mil. Is Doug a problem too? 100% but Doug isn't the one controlling Wentz Fumbles or choices he makes after the ball is snapped. Someone said the kid is uncoachable few times and maybe that is what I am starting to see too. I want to see how the rest of 2020 looks but things need to change from the top to the bottom.

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh right. And then there was the racoon. That little so and so caused chaos. 

Heck might as well strike away the INTs from lazy receivers and the INT punts and Carson’s MVP dude again. 😂🤣😂

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Heck might as was strike away the INTs from lazy receivers and the INT punts and Carson’s MVP dude again. 😂🤣😂

And add in a few TDs whilst we are at it. Just well because. 

7 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

 He’s far from perfect

This is what the issue is for a lot of Fans right now. He pay him to be perfect ( at least top 5 ). When you pay someone to be a top 5 elite QB we expect that. You are drafted number 2 overall and paid 100mil to be THAT guy. When you are not that guy then we have problems. You can have a bad game all QBs do no one is perfect each game but this is becoming a very long season and not the first we have seen for Carson.

What is so frustrating is that we pay him to be Perfect (or close)

38 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

Lol. Kyler, Wilson, and Lamar all make and extend plays with their legs. The Seahawks oline has improved the last two years and so have Wilsons numbers. The Ravens don't have a bad oline, in fact they are pretty good. Kyler completed 37 percent of his passes against the cowboys. 37 percent. The Bengals also do not have a bad oline, see joe mixons numbers. It's fine if you don't watch other teams and want to have double standards for Wentz. I can admit his flaws, you just can't admit anyone else's. 

I'm not reaching. Watch the games. There's no hot routes. You're issue isn't with doug here not Wentz. 

It didn’t need to be a hot route! It should be automatic. You see the blitz, you look where the blitz came from. He does that, he sees his receiver WIDE OPEN int hat spot. "Hot route” or not. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And add in a few TDs whilst we are at it. Just well because. 

You know if Reagor would have caught that pass it was a touchdown so it counts! 😂🤣😂

36 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

The problem is Doug, not Wentz

I was at the game last night, and I saw the same thing as usual. No recs are getting open. When you guys are watching these games on TV you cant see all teh recs and coverage, they are just not getting open. Wentz is trying to buy time to get someone, anyone open which is creating these fumble issues. Now yes, he needs to be smarter with just throwing away the ball. But the play design is just so plain Jane the defense knows whats coming. Zero creativity in scheme. Everything is the same comeback route on the outside and a go route. 

The Cowboys are a fast pace blitzing team. Doug should have been game planning for RPOs, crosses, drags, slants, uses the Hb in the flats, swings, wheels. Mix some short outs, curls in there. Routes that get the ball out fast and can flood areas to open up the zone that Dallas likes to play on the back end. Doug had a week and a half to game plan for this and failed in all areas. 

Now the other issues is these recs. Reagor yes it waas his first game back, but he is the fault of the Wentz INT. When Wentz threw that ball Reagor had a step on both DBs, you can see him give up and slow down at the back end which results in the DB running by him to pick it off. Maybe Jalen thought Wentz was throwing it out of bounds but you never give up on a route till the play is dead. This is the 2nnd pick that was his fault in his short career. Week 1 he ran a lazy comeback route that he never came back, he faded outside which lead to the DB jumping the route. 

Now for Hightower and the 2nd pick. This one could be either or. Wentz said where the DB was in position the right spot to place the ball is outside, where he threw the ball and Hightoiwer was not on the same page and cut inside. There is a major disconnect between these recs and Wentz. Seams only Travis is making the plays and going after the ball. 

Until Doug gives up play calling, game planning this team and Wentz will fail and not be successful. This team is not prepared each and every week. this falls on Doug. 

I didn’t need to be there to see the open receivers he was missing. I love when people like to act like being there live somehow gives them a better perspective. Watching on TV you get to see replays, and it becomes very apparent where the open receivers were. Hell, I can pull up the All-22 when I have time and show you where these open receivers were that you didn’t see while you were at the game. 

Putting it on OL shouldn’t be the case. What would Brady and brees do if they had backup OL- try and get the ball out early to their playmakers and not play stupid heave prayer balls. He is not a rookie - he needs to know  period. Dinuucci playing with backup OL in first game didn’t throw one pick - ya maybe they didn’t ask him to do too much but who the heck is asking Carson to be the superhero with the cape? Especially in games like these against garbage D. I have his jersey but I think he is just not what we thought he would turn out to be and unfortunately that’s the truth and tough pill we all have to swallow 

6 hours ago, Sturm said:

This is what the issue is for a lot of Fans right now. He pay him to be perfect ( at least top 5 ). When you pay someone to be a top 5 elite QB we expect that. You are drafted number 2 overall and paid 100mil to be THAT guy. When you are not that guy then we have problems. You can have a bad game all QBs do no one is perfect each game but this is becoming a very long season and not the first we have seen for Carson.

What is so frustrating is that we pay him to be Perfect (or close)

The guy is just not consistent enough to really win in the NFL. He was literally throwing points away last night. Series to series this guy is like a different player. For the life of me I don’t understand why can’t this kid figure out that he doesn’t need to throw a 50/50 ball into double coverage just to get his guys a play. Jerry Rice made a career turning a 7 yard slant into a 70 yard touchdown. Getting the ball out quicker would drop a lot of those sack and hits numbers. 

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

You know if Reagor would have caught that pass it was a touchdown so it counts! 😂🤣😂

Well of course. Best give him an extra couple of wins as well then. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Well of course. Best give him an extra couple of wins as well then. 

Can’t get that MVP without more wins so as of now they’re undefeated. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Can’t get that MVP without more wins so as of now they’re undefeated. 

100%. Pat Mahwho?

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

100%. Pat Mahwho?

Psst that dude has fake fluff numbers. He doesn’t hold a candle to our Wentz. 

40 minutes ago, Sturm said:

The Oline is playing OK football right now. They are not terrible nor are they great at all. There is enough blame to go around. Starting from Howie (who I have a lot of respect for...at least I did) all the way down to Special Team players. The Team as a whole is playing some bad football and some bad Coaching. This does start though with your GM Coach and Elite QB. All 3 are not what we expected for the past 3 years.

You say our Oline has been bad for years, but

2020 currently we are 22th in League..ok thats bad ill give you that.

2019 we are 14th. That is pretty good to me. Its not bad nor is it great.

2018 we are 19th. again Not great and boarder line bad to Ok

Yes our Oline hasn't been amazing but there are QBs who are doing more with worse. That is what we expect from our Elite QB who is paid 100mil. Is Doug a problem too? 100% but Doug isn't the one controlling Wentz Fumbles or choices he makes after the ball is snapped. Someone said the kid is uncoachable few times and maybe that is what I am starting to see too. I want to see how the rest of 2020 looks but things need to change from the top to the bottom.

PFF ratings or what? Where'd you get these numbers? 

 

41 minutes ago, Sturm said:

This is what the issue is for a lot of Fans right now. He pay him to be perfect ( at least top 5 ). When you pay someone to be a top 5 elite QB we expect that. You are drafted number 2 overall and paid 100mil to be THAT guy. When you are not that guy then we have problems. You can have a bad game all QBs do no one is perfect each game but this is becoming a very long season and not the first we have seen for Carson.

What is so frustrating is that we pay him to be Perfect (or close)

Sure he needs to play better but that starts up front. His average time to throw is below average and we don't do anything to scheme for more time. 

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

The problem is Doug, not Wentz

I was at the game last night, and I saw the same thing as usual. No recs are getting open. When you guys are watching these games on TV you cant see all teh recs and coverage, they are just not getting open. Wentz is trying to buy time to get someone, anyone open which is creating these fumble issues. Now yes, he needs to be smarter with just throwing away the ball. But the play design is just so plain Jane the defense knows whats coming. Zero creativity in scheme. Everything is the same comeback route on the outside and a go route. 

The Cowboys are a fast pace blitzing team. Doug should have been game planning for RPOs, crosses, drags, slants, uses the Hb in the flats, swings, wheels. Mix some short outs, curls in there. Routes that get the ball out fast and can flood areas to open up the zone that Dallas likes to play on the back end. Doug had a week and a half to game plan for this and failed in all areas. 

Now the other issues is these recs. Reagor yes it waas his first game back, but he is the fault of the Wentz INT. When Wentz threw that ball Reagor had a step on both DBs, you can see him give up and slow down at the back end which results in the DB running by him to pick it off. Maybe Jalen thought Wentz was throwing it out of bounds but you never give up on a route till the play is dead. This is the 2nnd pick that was his fault in his short career. Week 1 he ran a lazy comeback route that he never came back, he faded outside which lead to the DB jumping the route. 

Now for Hightower and the 2nd pick. This one could be either or. Wentz said where the DB was in position the right spot to place the ball is outside, where he threw the ball and Hightoiwer was not on the same page and cut inside. There is a major disconnect between these recs and Wentz. Seams only Travis is making the plays and going after the ball. 

Until Doug gives up play calling, game planning this team and Wentz will fail and not be successful. This team is not prepared each and every week. this falls on Doug. 

I agree it all starts with scheme and the ability to design plays.  Doug doesn't have it.  Greg Cosell of NFL films remarks our offense requires the WRs to win one on one battles to get open.  There's no creativity.  Yes Carson was awful.  Trade him to the Colts and watch him shine.  Sleepy Jeff Lurie has to wake up from his perpetual gold standard nap and get us a cutting edge OC and a QB coach who knows what he's doing.  Doug is in way over his head running the offense.

43 minutes ago, nipples said:

It didn’t need to be a hot route! It should be automatic. You see the blitz, you look where the blitz came from. He does that, he sees his receiver WIDE OPEN int hat spot. "Hot route” or not. 

And then the wr isn't looking for the ball and it's dropped or picked. That is not how you play qb. Damn. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Doug is not the biggest problem. Is he forcing Wentz to make erratic throws? Force throws, put the ball on the ground, make the same old dumb decisions?

It's chicken and egg.  Doug is the #1 problem.  He doesn't have the offensive intelligence needed.  The scheme is so basic, no creativity, no WRs ever wide open.  Yes Carson was awful. Trade him to the Colts and he'd play like a pro bowler.  We need a cutting edge OC from the college ranks, we need to clean house on the offensive coaching staff, new QB coach, creative schemes that offer wide open routes.  The coaching is horrible.  The drafting is horrible. When our older, best players all retire we'll be horrible too...for maybe a long time.  You build thru the draft. You win with creative offensive coaching.  We don't do either well.