May 17, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, toolg said: Article I, Sec. 8 and the Sixteenth amendment. The use of the general welfare "clause" to justify massive government expansion has been an abomination; it was never intended to be used in that way.
May 17, 20214 yr 32 minutes ago, Gannan said: Men lie. Women Lie. Facts don't lie. Fact: Trump promised 20 million vaccines would be administered by the end of 2020 Fact: Fewer than 3 million were administered by the end of 2020 Fact: Biden not only met the goal he set of 100 million in his first 100 days, he well surpassed it. And Joe Biden lied when he said Trump was rushing the vaccine rollout and no one should "trust" the vaccine before 2021. He was an anti-vaxxer because of politics alone, but you have no problem with that because he was criticizing the mean POTUS But now that Biden can take credit and set arbitrary milestones to fool people like you into thinking hes done a damn thing, all of a sudden Trumps work wasnt so bad. But dont worry Im not holding my breath for you or Biden to give Trump any credit at all
May 17, 20214 yr Author 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: The use of the general welfare "clause" to justify massive government expansion has been an abomination; it was never intended to be used in that way. I think it can be reasonably interpreted that way, as it is a necessity in the 21st century for a robust society to have healthcare. The hang-up to me is apportionment. Quote Article I, Section 9, Clause 4No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken. It's a sticky wicket. The reality is that for any national healthcare scheme to stick, it will likely require a Constitutional Amendment. SCOTUS would be able to stand on Constitutional language, as well as precedent, in striking down a tax that is not apportioned equally among the states.
May 17, 20214 yr First they said there was no way thered be a vaccine, but Trump made it happen Then people said "I dont trust it because Orange Man Bad" but they worked Then it was "well they dont have a plan" but then they literally just doubled-down on Trumps plans And now the TDSers are celebrating Biden as if hes not am empty suit clown and pretending Trump didnt set the table for all of this Who wants to fact check the half-functional moron we just elected? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden-idUSKBN26902H Back then even the illustrious CDC was saying a vaccine wouldnt be available until "mid-2021"...lol wait what year is it??? But no you all got scared by MSNBC
May 17, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: The use of the general welfare "clause" to justify massive government expansion has been an abomination; it was never intended to be used in that way. I respect your opinion. If you think Biden's plan is unconstitutional, take it to the Supreme Court. 2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: It's a sticky wicket. The reality is that for any national healthcare scheme to stick, it will likely require a Constitutional Amendment. SCOTUS would be able to stand on precedent striking down a tax that is not apportioned equally among the states. This is why the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified. Quote The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
May 17, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Boogyman said: Biden was sent by God to fix America. If God thinks its a good idea who are you to argue? when you typed this were you tuggin on your stick and thinking about an 80 yr old with dementia? Do you picture him with his sunglasses on or off when you shoot your load?
May 17, 20214 yr Author 1 minute ago, toolg said: This is why the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified. That's specifically a tax on income, though. I'm not sure it would so easily transfer to a tax for healthcare.
May 17, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I think it can be reasonably interpreted that way, as it is a necessity in the 21st century for a robust society to have healthcare. The hang-up to me is apportionment. It's a sticky wicket. The reality is that for any national healthcare scheme to stick, it will likely require a Constitutional Amendment. SCOTUS would be able to stand on Constitutional language, as well as precedent, in striking down a tax that is not apportioned equally among the states. another solid day of teaching kids while you argue on a message board. Let me guess another "personal day"?
May 17, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, toolg said: I respect your opinion. If you think Biden's plan is unconstitutional, take it to the Supreme Court. This is why the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified. I know I've lost the debate over the expansion of the welfare state. It's a primary reason I have no children.
May 17, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, Gannan said: Biden getting the vaccine out quickly and efficiently is not "magic", its competence. right place right time. I, with brain damage coulda passed out millions of doses to people just as easy. your loyalty to one political party is gayer than come on a mustache.
May 17, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: And Joe Biden lied when he said Trump was rushing the vaccine rollout and no one should "trust" the vaccine before 2021. He was an anti-vaxxer because of politics alone, but you have no problem with that because he was criticizing the mean POTUS But now that Biden can take credit and set arbitrary milestones to fool people like you into thinking hes done a damn thing, all of a sudden Trumps work wasnt so bad. But dont worry Im not holding my breath for you or Biden to give Trump any credit at all First off... Secondly... That's not what he said and does nothing to refute my facts.
May 17, 20214 yr 44 minutes ago, Kz! said: You don't have to be employed to have a green card. So, yeah, your entire post is wrong and you should feel bad about it. Quote As of 2019, there are an estimated 13.9 million green card holders of whom 9.1 million are eligible to become United States citizens.[3] Approximately 65,000 of them serve in the U.S. Armed Forces.[4] Besmirching our brave troops.
May 17, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: That's specifically a tax on income, though. I'm not sure it would so easily transfer to a tax for healthcare. Social Security Act and Medicare never required a special Constitutional Amendment to be passed. It can be done legally. But it is such a monumental undertaking, it would require so many parties and agencies to align, I feel that's the biggest issue holding us back.
May 17, 20214 yr 8 minutes ago, Blobeph said: I, with brain damage coulda passed out millions of doses to people just as easy. Yet Trump somehow couldn't.
May 17, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: Besmirching our brave troops. This argument took a weird, but predictably retarded turn. lmfao
May 17, 20214 yr Just now, Kz! said: This argument took a weird, but predictably retarded turn. lmfao Not really. Your nonsensical points always come back to your visceral hatred of our great nation and everything it stands for.
May 17, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Gannan said: First off... Secondly... That's not what he said and does nothing to refute my facts. Its exactly what he said and I provided a source What do you think that meant when Biden said he wouldnt trust the vaccine because of Trump? Do you think that made people hesitant to get the vaccine?? Because that would be downright dangerous and irresponsible and theres no way Joe Biden could be that, after he saved our entire democracy and all
May 17, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: What do you think that meant when Biden said he wouldnt trust the vaccine because of Trump? Do you think that made people hesitant to get the vaccine?? I know reading isn't one of your strengths but I'm sure if you go slow and sound out the words you can get there... Quote "Let me be clear: I trust vaccines,” Mr. Biden said. "I trust scientists. But I don’t trust Donald Trump, and at this moment, the American people can’t either.”
May 17, 20214 yr what do you MAGAts think Trump did to get us through COVID? he mainly tried to ignore it. and when he realized he couldn't ignore it, and that it wasn't going away, he did two positive things: gave smaller companies that couldn't financially handle the risks of investing in vaccine development (like Moderna; remember Pfizer took no money) and allowed the vaccinations to be made available under an emergency use authorization. that's literally the sum total of his "accomplishments" in leading us through a pandemic that killed over half a million (and based on excess deaths probably a good chunk more). he also undermined the CDC, questioned medical experts publicly and loudly (as is his only way), and suggested quackery like hydroxychloroquine and UV lights in the body. not to mention bleach injections. when Biden came in there literally was no federal plan to disseminate the vaccine. Trump left it up entirely to individual states. predictably, rollout of the vaccine was very hit-and-miss by states. Biden mobilized FEMA, which established both large-scale operations in multiple states to significantly increase rollout of the vaccine in population centers, and developed a plan for mobile vaccination stations that would be able to surface underserved rural areas. unlike some OTHER presidents his plans kept ALL American lives in mind, not just the lives and livelihood of those who voted for him. NONE of that was available when Biden took over. The sum total of Trump's effort to distribute the vaccine is here: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/downloads/COVID-19-Vaccination-Program-Interim_Playbook.pdf which is nothing more than guidance given to states to solve their own problems. There was no plans for large-scale vaccination sites. There was no plan given to states as a framework for HOW to distribute the vaccine - there was only some basic guidance for HOW to set up a distribution framework. This is a failure to lead at the federal level. And no amount of revisionist history or outright lies changes any of it.
May 17, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, Gannan said: I know reading isn't one of your strengths but I'm sure if you go slow and sound out the words you can get there... But, I guess he was wrong, because we should and did trust Trump because we rolled out vaccines Yet one more thing Biden ended up being wrong about, like just about everything he tries to weigh in on. This'll is why they dont let him talk, because when hes able to stammer through a full sentence, he ends up saying something stupid and wrong. I also love the deafening silence with respect to Israel/Hamas as he has to weigh siding against his terrorist-sympathyzing party and doing the right thing. I suppose he'll piss his pants for a few more days and draw an imaginary red line like his pal Obama
May 17, 20214 yr Just now, Mike31mt said: But, I guess he was wrong, because we should and did trust Trump because we rolled out vaccines Yet one more thing Biden ended up being wrong about, like just about everything he tries to weigh in on. This'll is why they dont let him talk, because when hes able to stammer through a full sentence, he ends up saying something stupid and wrong. I also love the deafening silence with respect to Israel/Hamas as he has to weigh siding against his terrorist-sympathyzing party and doing the right thing. I suppose he'll piss his pants for a few more days and draw an imaginary red line like his pal Obama
May 17, 20214 yr https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/17/power-up-biden-administration-approves-735-million-weapons-sale-israel-raising-red-flags-some-house-democrats/
May 17, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: what do you MAGAts think Trump did to get us through COVID? he mainly tried to ignore it. Stopped here because its already bull ish Just because Rachel Maddow didnt cry about it, didnt mean Trump wasnt doing anything No credit for Warp Speed and no acknowledgement that the CDC was absolutely brutal of their handling of this and still is today. They are clueless. Again, if Trump was so feckless how did they get a vaccine approved and rolled out when everyone on your side was saying it would be impossible until some time in 2021. You guys are full of baloney thinking Trump didnt do anything, meanwhile the freaking WHO did NOTHING
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