1 minute ago, Gannan said:

No. I remember Obama levying sanctions (Executive Order 13660 ). Trump lifted sanctions against Russia. Though not the same ones. 

He just extended and broadened sanctions that were already in place.  Basically he did nothing, certainly  not enough to even get Russians attention.  And Trump actually levied his own sanctions which were further-reaching, so clearly sanctions alone dont impress you much.

Trump was clearly more anti-Russian than Obama, its not even close really.

Stop talking out of your arse and come to terms with this basic truth

5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

I think we can all agree that when it comes to embarrassing the United States, this is the GOAT moment.  It's really got it all: siding with the enemy, disrespecting America, groveling in front of a dictator.  Imagine still, after all this time and the benefit of hindsight, still taking up for this loser. 

Only on TV.  In reality, where it counts, Trump was much tougher.

But I guess you wouldn't know that of you only care about perception on a tv and not reality.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Only on TV.  In reality, where it counts, Trump was much tougher.

But I guess you wouldn't know that of you only care about perception on a tv and not reality.

  I can't imagine the sweaty, blinding rage you wake up in these days.

It's only 2021, Mike, you've got a long 8 years to go.  I'd suggest pacing yourself.

I want no part of this pointless back and forth, but even I have to call out one thing. 

Trump is the one who didn't care how things played out on TV and was tough behind the scenes? Really? DONALD TRUMP?

There is no person on this planet who cares more about how things play on TV than Trump.

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

  this sums up basically every interaction I've ever had with any given trumpbot

47 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I want no part of this pointless back and forth, but even I have to call out one thing. 

Trump is the one who didn't care how things played out on TV and was tough behind the scenes? Really? DONALD TRUMP?

There is no person on this planet who cares more about how things play on TV than Trump.

Exactly. Trump basically thought getting good ratings on the news was proof he was doing a great job as POTUS. We were basically led by an idiotic 70 year old child for 4 years.

1 hour ago, Mike31mt said:

He just extended and broadened sanctions that were already in place.  Basically he did nothing, certainly  not enough to even get Russians attention.  And Trump actually levied his own sanctions which were further-reaching, so clearly sanctions alone dont impress you much.

Trump was clearly more anti-Russian than Obama, its not even close really.

Stop talking out of your arse and come to terms with this basic truth

Trump lifted sanctions on the oligarchs (I wonder why), and quite literally said America was foolish and to blame for all the tensions with Russia. You're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.

17 hours ago, Procus said:

Crime rates are directly proportional to policies implemented.  Under Frank Rizzo, there was much less crime in the city (although you often had to be scared of the police).  When you have less police on the street and hamstring those on the job from doing their job, when you elect liberal (I say radical, but that's me) DA's like Larry Krasner that are more interested in criminals rights than protecting victims, you have more crime.  It's more of a localized issue.   Deflecting discussion by focusing on nonsense like tool theft doesn't change the fact.

Of course, because when people commit crimes,  they typically are thinking of the DA and the penalties.  Cause those guys are known to think ahead of things before they commit a crime.   Being so thoughtful and meticulous and all.   In fact, those committing crimes are well aware of the DA, elections and read all about their policies ahead of time, and then time crime sprees to the particular DA they feel will give them lighter penalties.  Yeah, its all about "policies".   The criminals are soooo up on policies.    

BTW -- I think that Krasner's position is that criminals are entitled to SOME rights or perhaps a change in certain policies, like maybe mass incarceration for things like marijuana possession isn't the best policy.  I dont' think his policy is:  all criminals should never serve any time or be punished; and we will never prosecute anyone for any crimes.   He's so radical -- go ahead dude -- steal a car or some tools in Philly and then turn yourself in.   See how "radical" his policy is.  Go ahead, I dare you. 

 

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol try harder, maybe 17 more investigations and youll get Trump

So you agree- they just didn't convict or "get" him -- but he should have been gotten?  Does not being convicted mean you didn't do the crime?  Is that how it works?

14 minutes ago, caesar said:

Of course, because when people commit crimes,  they typically are thinking of the DA and the penalties.  Cause those guys are known to think ahead of things before they commit a crime.   Being so thoughtful and meticulous and all.   In fact, those committing crimes are well aware of the DA, elections and read all about their policies ahead of time, and then time crime sprees to the particular DA they feel will give them lighter penalties.  Yeah, its all about "policies".   The criminals are soooo up on policies.    

BTW -- I think that Krasner's position is that criminals are entitled to SOME rights or perhaps a change in certain policies, like maybe mass incarceration for things like marijuana possession isn't the best policy.  I dont' think his policy is:  all criminals should never serve any time or be punished; and we will never prosecute anyone for any crimes.   He's so radical -- go ahead dude -- steal a car or some tools in Philly and then turn yourself in.   See how "radical" his policy is.  Go ahead, I dare you. 

 

You have to be brain dead if you seriously don't think lax DA's as opposed to hard line DA's don't affect the crime rate.

I'm sure you're a nice guy Caesar, but you are very naive and ill informed.

1 hour ago, Procus said:

You have to be brain dead if you seriously don't think lax DA's as opposed to hard line DA's don't affect the crime rate.

I'm sure you're a nice guy Caesar, but you are very naive and ill informed.

Tell me how?    Do you really think criminals are reading the editorial pages of the paper and deciding to all the sudden commit more crimes because someone thinks one DA is more lax than another?    Show me the studies, and academic papers and the data that supports that -- then I'll believe it.  But if you think about it - it makes no sense.   So joe blow is poor and needs money for fentanyl or crack -- he steals.   (Think he is thinking about the DA?).     Joe blow II is angry cause someone dissed him on his turf.  So he takes his gun and shoots up the rival gang.    DA comes to mind first?  I doubt it.

And you exaggerate the "lax" DA.  Like I said, go commit a crime in Philly then if you think it is so lax.   Good luck!

If mass incarceration and hard lines worked -- why did we see little to no impact on the crime rate?:

https://eji.org/news/study-finds-increased-incarceration-does-not-reduce-crime/

Its all just political BS about hard line vs soft line judges.  Hard line vs soft line DAs.   It's red meat for conservatives.  But at the end of the day, I don't think it changes much about the crime rate -- either way.   Criminals be criminals - they ain't reading the papers.

A hard line DA is just a guy mouthing off for the housewives and voters (not the actual criminals) - to help him get re-elected.   It's BS -- like Trump's bully talk.  Meaningless.    

What does impact the crime rate (I think), would be policing and police methods - and don't ask me which methods (I don't know).   But not the DA, not judges or any other politician.

3 hours ago, caesar said:

Tell me how?    Do you really think criminals are reading the editorial pages of the paper and deciding to all the sudden commit more crimes because someone thinks one DA is more lax than another?   

Has nothing to do with reading the papers.  With hard line DA's, criminals are getting locked up more and fewer are on the streets to commit crimes.  There's a reason why crime victims hate Krasner.  He doesn't go after criminals nearly as diligently as he should. 

Criminals also know what is happening on the street and whether the cops will give them a hard time or not.  Criminals are also are more brazen when they know cops aren't going to go after them for committing a crime.  If stop and frisk was part of the protocol again, the streets would be a lot safer - although it is true that many innocent people were subjected to the embarrassment of being stopped for no reason.  Many criminals were stopped too.

Not rocket science to figure that one out.

13 hours ago, jsdarkstar said:

Keep on riding biden jerkstar

2 hours ago, Procus said:

Has nothing to do with reading the papers.  With hard line DA's, criminals are getting locked up more and fewer are on the streets to commit crimes.  There's a reason why crime victims hate Krasner.  He doesn't go after criminals nearly as diligently as he should. 

Criminals also know what is happening on the street and whether the cops will give them a hard time or not.  Criminals are also are more brazen when they know cops aren't going to go after them for committing a crime.  If stop and frisk was part of the protocol again, the streets would be a lot safer - although it is true that many innocent people were subjected to the embarrassment of being stopped for no reason.  Many criminals were stopped too.

Not rocket science to figure that one out.

You are out of touch with reality.

Needs, poverty, drugs, personal desperation and loss of hope/giving up on a better future drive up crime rates… no criminal gives a flying eff who the district attorney is.

Stealing is a crime, murder is a crime EVERYONE already knows this, doesn’t matter one bit who’s sitting in the corner office at the courthouse.

10 hours ago, lynched1 said:

Keep on riding biden jerkstar

Thanks, Trump sucker, I will

With the current POTUS, it's refreshing how we can deal with one crisis at a time. Instead of being onslaught with multiple endless catastrophe, and we don't know where to start to unpack it, like with the last guy.

31 minutes ago, toolg said:

With the current POTUS, it's refreshing how we can deal with one crisis at a time. Instead of being onslaught with multiple endless catastrophe, and we don't know where to start to unpack it, like with the last guy.

What does that even mean?  We have multiple crises - Delta variant, Afghanistan, runaway inflation, open Southern border just for starters.  Why isn't Biden judged for his own performance - why do you feel the need to bring up Trump?  Just because you didn't like the last president doesn't make this guy competent - either from a mental capacity standpoint or at doing his job.

8 minutes ago, Procus said:

What does that even mean?  We have multiple crises - Delta variant, Afghanistan, runaway inflation, open Southern border just for starters.  Why isn't Biden judged for his own performance - why do you feel the need to bring up Trump?  Just because you didn't like the last president doesn't make this guy competent - either from a mental capacity standpoint or at doing his job.

Gotcha!

2 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

Go read up on the stock market in Zimbawe.  It had a 500% + growth rate in 2008 - the highest in the world.  Was it because the economy there was so great?  Hardly.  It was because of hyperinflation.

The economy here sucks.  But people have nowhere to put their money.  Bonds aren't paying any real returns.  The value of the dollar is eroding due to inflation.  So people put their money in equities and surprise, the stock market rises to a record high.  If the Fed had the balls or the ability to raise rates to temper inflation, the stock market would be in the toilet.  The record stock market today is a symptom of serious economic problems unfortunately.

If you have any interest in reading up on this, here's a link that will explain further.  https://finance.zacks.com/stocks-behave-during-hyperinflation-8335.html

It's interesting how less than 2 years ago a rising stock market was the ultimate sign of a booming economy for republicans. Now, not so much.

We're nowhere near hyperinflation. 

3 minutes ago, Gannan said:

It's interesting how less than 2 years ago a rising stock market was the ultimate sign of a booming economy for republicans. Now, not so much.

What's even more interesting, a huge chunk of those people have no stake in the stock market, and probably don't even know what it really is.

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

We're nowhere near hyperinflation. 

They're trying to speak it into existence.