4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Sad but true.

 

Saw an article on NPR about a patient who died after being rejected to 43 hospitals due to no room in the ICU. First thats an awful lot of Hospitals to not have room, and I had to ask myself, why didn't they have room?

After 1 1/2 years to prepare for the worst that COVID can bring, after 55% of the population being vaccinated, and yet we are still woefully underprepared to handle it?  

So you think hospitals should have unlimited space?

34 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Hey you want advice on ivermectin, talk to your doctor. I dont take anything without talking to my doctor. 

I dont drink, smoke, use drugs, I dont do coffee, I drink only uncaffinated products,  I avoid taking OTC stuff,  like pain meds etc or cold remedies. The last time the doctor gave me some prescribed pain meds for a broken leg, I threw them out. I watch what I eat, I am fairly active and fairly healthy for a boomer. 

That being said, if your doctor prescribed IVERMACTIN, and you trust them, sure go ahead, but geebus, dont be a complete and utter idiiot and take something just because some joe blow on the internet said so. My god Darwinism at work here. 

 

And I also have no problem with those that are uncomfortable taking the vaccine. I still recommend getting it, but if you choose not to, I can respect your decision not to. 

 

I can only respect that decision if said person still chooses to wear a mask in public. Mask or vaccine, you must pick one. Otherwise you are not deserving of respect since you clearly don't respect the health of others during a pandemic.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I just can't support government overreach in the name of "extraordinary circumstances." That justification was used for things like Japanese Internment and the Patriot Act. The strength of our Republic has to come from its adherence to its principles. 

I don't mean to be a broken record, but there are much easier, effective and Constitutional ways to do this. Only award government contracts to employers that mandate vaccination, and stop having Medicare/Medicaid pay for treatment for the unvaccinated. Both are perfectly Constitutional and likely more effective.

Unfortunately the Pandemic has been politicized by BOTH parties from the start. And that has made everything about it, how dangerous it is, to treatments and vaccines very nebulous. It was the worst possible outcome. They were more concerned about the election/power then the wellfare of the constiuents. 

Example, you can not tell everyone how dangerous it is, and that you must get vaccinated and then just allow unvaccinated immigrants to pour into the country. Same - you cannot have rules for thee and not for me, like we have seen.  The hypocrisy only feeds those who doubt or question it to begin with. And that ship is way too far down the road to hope for unity now. 

 

My wife called it in March 2020, COVID will be here to stay for the rest of our lives. 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

FYI. with the report some 3 months ago that only around 36% of people are happy and engaged with their job, and the report that came out last month that over 55% of people will change jobs this year. Look for a major shift for workers to fill those positions at smaller companies, especially those who are against the unconstitutional vaccine mandate, where companies who have more than 100 employees are required for all employees will have the vaccine. People will leave and shift to smaller companies that have under 100 employees..

This will cause more disruptions in supply chains from larger companies, and causing profits to fall. That is a slippery slope. 

I think you're overestimating how principled people are when faced with actual consequences for standing up for their principles. There was a report that vaccine compliance surged from the low 70's to 98% for a local health care network when a $200 surcharge was added to their insurance premiums for any unvaccinated employees. When push comes to shove, the outrage withers and money becomes an overriding factor. There's not gonna be some massive contingent of Americans leaving their jobs to work at a company with less than 100 employees because of this OSHA requirement.

12 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You literally made your rounds on multiple posts and topics to defend your brethren.  I make fun of everyone.  It’s just easy to do you with you and the rest of the BBL’s.  

Ok I'll play along... Who did I defend specifically?

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You literally made your rounds on multiple posts and topics to defend your brethren.  I make fun of everyone.  It’s just easy to do you with you and the rest of the BBL’s.  

he is always a guy who tries to pile on.  He is a good little SJW

46 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While you may be right that it won't be overturned, IMO it should be. Using OSHA as a backdoor to force this on private employers crosses the line for me.

if we're actually going to have real talk, yeah it's an overreach. I tend to agree that this is something that ought to be handled with healthcare insurance regulations, and triage rules in ERs being communicated (e.g. if we're overrun with patients, we're not going to prioritize unvaccinated over vaccinated and non-COVID emergency case when allocating limited resources). 

as the employer, I think he's within his rights with federal employees (specifically under the executive branch is the limit of his authority, which is why the mandate there does not extend to congress for example), and allowing or even encouraging healthcare insurance companies to reduce/eliminate coverage for COVID treatment for unvaccinated, but that seems to be the extent of reasonable authority.

even if legally this is something that could be done within the framework of OSHA to survive a constitutional challenge, it seems a bit too far. that said, I find it hard to kill him on this overreach given the situation. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That guy was crying for 4+ years over Trump.  Said he would stop when he's out of office.  And boom.....still.  Like I said.  He's a fraud.  

Those who VOTED for Biden should throw ZERO stones. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That guy was crying for 4+ years over Trump.  Said he would stop when he's out of office.  And boom.....still.  Like I said.  He's a fraud.  

Yeah I'm the one crying

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Those who VOTED for Biden should throw ZERO stones. 

Right, we should instead use bear spray and beat cops with flag poles.

16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Right, we should instead use bear spray and beat cops with flag poles.

"Back” the Blue!!

32 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That guy was crying for 4+ years over Trump.  Said he would stop when he's out of office.  And boom.....still.  Like I said.  He's a fraud.  

 

32 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Those who VOTED for Biden should throw ZERO stones. 

You guys needs hugs or something? You both are coming across as two emotional wrecks.

So many tears!

23 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

 

You guys needs hugs or something? You both are coming across as two emotional wrecks.

They’re triggered by Pop Pop.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

While I appreciate the sentiment, I just can't support government overreach in the name of "extraordinary circumstances." That justification was used for things like Japanese Internment and the Patriot Act. The strength of our Republic has to come from its adherence to its principles. 

I don't mean to be a broken record, but there are much easier, effective and Constitutional ways to do this. Only award government contracts to employers that mandate vaccination, and stop having Medicare/Medicaid pay for treatment for the unvaccinated. Both are perfectly Constitutional and likely more effective.

It was also used as justification to divert funding for Trump's ridiculous border wall. Trump supporters both across the country and right here in CVON made the point that if the president says there's an emergency, he should have unlimited power to do anything he damn well pleases. They've done this to themselves. 

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

Those who VOTED for Biden should throw ZERO stones. 

I voted for Biden multiple times both here and of course in Georgia and Arizona. Can I throw multiple stones?

Nah Biden Voters blaming Trump supporters for what Biden does, is just lunacy. Biden and his over reach is on anyone who voted for him. Just like the horrendous Afghanistan Pullout. Someone tried blaming that on Trump as well, and last I checked Biden is now the President, he is doing what HE and the establishment want him to do, he isn't asking Trump for advice. 

 

Take the L losers

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Nah Biden Voters blaming Trump supporters for what Biden does, is just lunacy. Biden and his over reach is on anyone who voted for him. Just like the horrendous Afghanistan Pullout. Someone tried blaming that on Trump as well, and last I checked Biden is now the President, he is doing what HE and the establishment want him to do, he isn't asking Trump for advice. 

 

Take the L losers

The L?  It's an emphatic W.  We're out of Afghanistan.    Do you know how much money we're no longer wasting in that sheet hole every day? 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

Biden and his over reach is on anyone who voted for him.

10 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Nah Biden Voters blaming Trump supporters for what Biden does, is just lunacy. Biden and his over reach is on anyone who voted for him. Just like the horrendous Afghanistan Pullout. Someone tried blaming that on Trump as well, and last I checked Biden is now the President, he is doing what HE and the establishment want him to do, he isn't asking Trump for advice. 

 

Take the L losers

Biden got the W though. Now dry your eyes and get back to stopping steals.

OK

The Wicket memes just kill me. Well done.

I don't know about anyone else, but I, for one, am thrilled with the arrival of our two new trumpbots. Here's to hoping they stay and grace us with their presence for the foreseeable future.