18 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

weird that a country with vaunted conservative leadership would have shortages. I thought that only happened where democrats / liberals were in charge.

Socialists are socialists, and this isn't limited to the UK, it's affecting all of Europe, and it's a direct result of their idiotic "green" policies that the Democrats want to force on US.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

Socialists are socialists, and this isn't limited to the UK, it's affecting all of Europe, and it's a direct result of their idiotic "green" policies that the Democrats want to force on US.

It's the result of panic buying. Not "idiotic green policies." 

And no, it's not happening all over Europe. In fact, EU nations are basically telling the UK "you made this mess with Brexit, so deal with it."

Brexit, the idiotic nativist policy foisted on the UK by the idiot wing of the tories, is not helping matters. Brexit is also causing a shortage of other products, as grocery store shelves go bare for many products previously available.

But sure, keep blaming "green policies" for the UK's self-inflicted crisis.

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

It's the result of panic buying. Not "idiotic green policies." 

And no, it's not happening all over Europe. In fact, EU nations are basically telling the UK "you made this mess with Brexit, so deal with it."

Brexit, the idiotic nativist policy foisted on the UK by the idiot wing of the tories, is not helping matters. Brexit is also causing a shortage of other products, as grocery store shelves go bare for many products previously available.

But sure, keep blaming "green policies" for the UK's self-inflicted crisis.

No it isn’t, it’s the result of forcing through green policies.

The unprecedented energy crunch has been brewing for years, with Europe growing increasingly dependent on intermittent sources of energy such as wind and solar while investments in fossil fuels declined. Environmental policy has also pushed some countries to shut their coal and nuclear fleets, reducing the number of power plants that could serve as back-up in times of shortages.

"It could get very ugly unless we act quickly to try to fill every inch of storage," said Marco Alvera, chief executive officer of Italian energy infrastructure company Snam SpA. "You can survive a week without electricity, but you can't survive without gas."

2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

weird that a country with vaunted conservative leadership would have shortages. I thought that only happened where democrats / liberals were in charge.

Their "conservative" equates to NE republicans. Nothing conservative about them.

40 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

No it isn’t, it’s the result of forcing through green policies.

 

 

hey Captain Conflation, Europe's energy crunch isn't the same as UK's current acute petrol shortage. 

the "gas" they're talking about there is natural gas, which Europe is heavily reliant on. not petrol, which is what the UK is currently having issues with.

the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which Republicans spent plenty of time queefing over, is part of Germany's build-out to ensure energy security for their nation.

but please, continue to share information about Europe's (natural) gas and energy challenges as though they have any relation to the UK's current petrol shortage. 

3 hours ago, The_Omega said:

No it isn’t, it’s the result of forcing through green policies.

 

 

The amount of stupid you exude every time you post never ceases to amaze me. 

3 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

The amount of stupid you exude every time you post never ceases to amaze me. 

Instead of resorting to your modus operandi which is simply to insult, why don't you retort with facts which you believe contravene his statement?

6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

the "gas" they're talking about there is natural gas, which Europe is heavily reliant on. not petrol, which is what the UK is currently having issues with.

the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which Republicans spent plenty of time queefing over, is part of Germany's build-out to ensure energy security for their nation.

but please, continue to share information about Europe's (natural) gas and energy challenges as though they have any relation to the UK's current petrol shortage. 

I don't get the liberals.  The were up Trump's butt for 2 years over a fake collusion story, but somehow, the Russians are presumed to be throwing the Europeans energy "security" with a gas pipeline when the Russians have already had a history of turning the spigot off when things get bumpy.

5 hours ago, Procus said:

I don't get the liberals.  The were up Trump's butt for 2 years over a fake collusion story, but somehow, the Russians are presumed to be throwing the Europeans energy "security" with a gas pipeline when the Russians have already had a history of turning the spigot off when things get bumpy.

It's absolutely a risk. But like it or not, Russia has the natural gas reserves in Europe, so they have the leverage.

Germany is a big boy country. They know the risks. They're not exactly happy about having to deal with Russia on this either. But they need the NG, Russia has it, so it is what it is. 

Nord Stream 2 was going to happen. Germany had been pressing the US to relent for a long time. It was happening no matter what we did, and our sanctions on Russia over it would just making it more difficult geopolitically with zero impact on stopping it from happening. 

Maybe if we hadn't spent the last four years pissing off our EU allies things would be a bit better. Of course the reality is that the threat to the US is in the East not the West, and the AUKUS pact is a dose of reality for Europe. 

7 hours ago, Procus said:

Instead of resorting to your modus operandi which is simply to insult, why don't you retort with facts which you believe contravene his statement?

That you can't already see it, speaks volumes as well. 

It's actually pretty simple this time around. We may refer to gasoline as gas, but Europeans don't. I'm sure you can piece it together from there if you focus really hard.

14 hours ago, The_Omega said:

No it isn’t, it’s the result of forcing through green policies.

 

 

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... you do understand energy output issues in Europe and petrol shortage in the UK are like... are not the same issue? 

Just kidding. I know you don't understand that. That's why you posted it.

7 hours ago, Procus said:

Instead of resorting to your modus operandi which is simply to insult, why don't you retort with facts which you believe contravene his statement?

When people say they know you're a self-loathing closet MAGAt, these are the posts that they're reading. You can't even bring yourself to critically analyze the factually incorrect, total nonsense that @The_Omega just posted. You just immediately assume it to be true because "duh libs bad!"

So, no, we're not going to litigate or try to explain what's already obvious to rest of us. That time has come and gone. We tried it years ago with you MAGAts and look where it got us. Now we're just going to point and laugh.

2 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

That you can't already see it, speaks volumes as well. 

It's actually pretty simple this time around. We may refer to gasoline as gas, but Europeans don't. I'm sure you can piece it together from there if you focus really hard.

I rest my case.     

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

When people say they know you're a self-loathing closet MAGAt, these are the posts that they're reading. You can't even bring yourself to critically analyze the factually incorrect, total nonsense that @The_Omega just posted. You just immediately assume it to be true because "duh libs bad!"

So, no, we're not going to litigate or try to explain what's already obvious to rest of us. That time has come and gone. We tried it years ago with you MAGAts and look where it got us. Now we're just going to point and laugh.

Litigate.  Now that would be a neat little trick.  Go ahead, give it a try.  Go litigate this one.

1 hour ago, mayanh8 said:

When people say they know you're a self-loathing closet MAGAt, these are the posts that they're reading. You can't even bring yourself to critically analyze the factually incorrect, total nonsense that @The_Omega just posted. You just immediately assume it to be true because "duh libs bad!"

So, no, we're not going to litigate or try to explain what's already obvious to rest of us. That time has come and gone. We tried it years ago with you MAGAts and look where it got us. Now we're just going to point and laugh.

^this

f'n progressive dems with their "principles"...dems can't even take a win that's right in front of them with the infrastructure bill.     

1 hour ago, mr_hunt said:

f'n progressive dems with their "principles"...dems can't even take a win that's right in front of them with the infrastructure bill.     

You can always count on Democrats to be idiots and screw it up. The progressives will sink this, and then the GOP will be able to campaign saying that they negotiated a fair deal and the Dems sank it.

Honestly, if the GOP were smart (they aren't), they'd free up a few members to vote yes. Just not enough to pass it. So they could campaign saying that they tried to do a deal, and the Dems spit in their face.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

You can always count on Democrats to be idiots and screw it up. The progressives will sink this, and then the GOP will be able to campaign saying that they negotiated a fair deal and the Dems sank it.

Honestly, if the GOP were smart (they aren't), they'd free up a few members to vote yes. Just not enough to pass it. So they could campaign saying that they tried to do a deal, and the Dems spit in their face.

For a generate GOP has had one big tool to beat Dems over the head with: unity. Democrats always lacked it, Republicans managed to keep their people in line.

It's getting to where I'm not sure how big an advantage that is for the GOP any more. But the Dems have made no improvements in that regard either. 

The problem is conservative Dems Manchin and Sinema have not revealed how much of the broader spending package they support. Progressives are not willing to sink the entire social spending package in order to win the infrastructure vote.

Dems know infrastructure will pass. Now they need to come to agreement with the rest of the reconciliation bill.

6 minutes ago, toolg said:

The problem is conservative Dems Manchin and Sinema have not revealed how much of the broader spending package they support. Progressives are not willing to sink the entire social spending package in order to win the infrastructure vote.

Dems know infrastructure will pass. Now they need to come to agreement with the rest of the reconciliation bill.

 

 

32 minutes ago, toolg said:

The problem is conservative Dems Manchin and Sinema have not revealed how much of the broader spending package they support. Progressives are not willing to sink the entire social spending package in order to win the infrastructure vote.

Dems know infrastructure will pass. Now they need to come to agreement with the rest of the reconciliation bill.

SPOILER ALERT: it's because they don't want to pass any of it.

Meanwhile, Progressives like Bernie will act like kindergartners. They could get some of what they want, but if it isn't an apple juice box, then you can take that grape juice box and shove it where the sun don't shine.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

SPOILER ALERT: it's because they don't want to pass any of it.

Meanwhile, Progressives like Bernie will act like kindergartners. They could get some of what they want, but if it isn't an apple juice box, then you can take that grape juice box and shove it where the sun don't shine.

None of it? Is that really what they want? Because Manchin and Sinema keep talking out both sides of their mouth without revealing anything to anybody. We all know what the progressives want. They've said so. I believe they will accept a smaller social bill, they just to negotiate where make the cuts. If infrastructure doesn't pass, blame Manchin and Sinema for refusing to work with anybody.

Also:

Arizona is getting sick of her schtick to. Get to work, or somebody else will do the work for you.

4 minutes ago, toolg said:

Also:

Arizona is getting sick of her schtick to. Get to work, or somebody else will do the work for you.

They might not be reading the Arizona electorate correctly.

33 minutes ago, toolg said:

None of it? Is that really what they want? Because Manchin and Sinema keep talking out both sides of their mouth without revealing anything to anybody. We all know what the progressives want. They've said so. I believe they will accept a smaller social bill, they just to negotiate where make the cuts. If infrastructure doesn't pass, blame Manchin and Sinema for refusing to work with anybody.

Manchin wants the environmental stuff out for coal country. Sinema is adamant it stay in. 

I guess a better way of saying it is -- they don't care if any of it passes. They'd be just fine with only the bipartisan bill.

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

They might not be reading the Arizona electorate correctly.

They are guaranteeing the seat flips to the GOP.