November 5, 20213 yr 5 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: yeah it's like gas was this expensive when he was in office or Afghanistan did not happen, or the inflation was already happening during Trumps tenure. etc... The truth is, all this bad stuff just seemed to start happening since Biden came into office. Who could have seen this coming when the Biden was elected and started reversing all of Trumps deregulation policies etc...?
November 5, 20213 yr 10 minutes ago, Outlaw said: I did not say that we'd be better off with Trump right now. But frankly, the pivot from energy independence to begging OPEC to turn the spigot on and the surge at the border are two examples of issues we would not be dealing with like we are right now. We also wouldn't have lost 13 soldiers in Afghanistan or left other Americans behind. The difference between you and I is that I see positives and negatives to both administrations. For most in here it's "President X bad, President y good" line of thinking only. There's an entire thread where I've already stated multiple times that our withdrawal from a'stan was a giant F up. Those lives didn't need to be put at risk like they were. Biden owns that entirely, no doubt about it. The energy shortages are far more complex than you're implying. Trump wasn't gonna wave a magic wand to surge crude production or increase refinery capacity any faster. And I thought the border problem was simply solved with a wall, who knew immigration could be so complicated, amirite? As for clarifying your position on Trump, here's your chance then, would we or would we not be better off right now if he had been reelected?
November 5, 20213 yr I know, according to those who voted for Biden, all this stuff IS Trumps fault you literally cant make this up. God this would be funny if not soo sad. They really believe this admin is doing a good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 5, 20213 yr Just for the record on the Oil/Gas inflation--- gee I wonder why gas proces are climbing. I donty expect CNN watchers to actually know whats going on, so I will help. Biden Orders Reversal of Trump’s ‘Energy Independence’ Policies https://oilmanmagazine.com/biden-orders-reversal-of-trumps-energy-independence-policies/
November 5, 20213 yr 18 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: OK, sure if you say so. NO deregulation POlicy, there was zero Middle east policies, Yet business floorished, and there were peace deals in the Middle east. just as 2 examples. Well whatever it was, it worked. Now without what ever you want to call it, we have what we have today, Inflation, Shortages etc.... I know but Trump. everything Trump did was with the intent to juice the economy in the short term while deferring the pain to the long term. the costs of Trump's presidency will be borne out by subsequent administrations. to some degree every administration has done this. it's a sad state of our political affairs, but voters themselves do not think in the long term so our elected officials have no incentive to do so either. but Trump turned that up to 11. I mean, we passed an unnecessary tax cut during a period of economic expansion, cranking up the deficit during a period we should have been trying to reduce it so we were better prepared for a "rainy day". Trump's policies are all well and good while things are going well. but every president also faces some kind of national crisis - and Trump's decisions resulted in a government ill-prepared to take on the debt necessary to see us through COVID. there are CEOs out there whose specialty is to juice a company's ledgers with the express intent of making a company look more attractive for a buy-out. the decisions made by these CEOs sacrifice long-term interests for short-term profit taking. that is pretty much exactly how Trump made decisions, and we know this because he explicitly said at one point "why do I care about the debt? I won't be around when it matters"
November 5, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, Outlaw said: In all seriousness, I think most people who fall in the middle and have common sense are able to admit that while we may not love Trump the person and the Tweeter, the country itself was in much better shape than it is today under Biden. I don't dislike Biden the person (in fact I feel sad for him most days), but the country is in awful shape under his administration. Frankly, the fact that either of them were the best this country had to offer is sad. Trump inherited a good economy from Obama, then drove it straight into the ground. He lost because the economy was in the toilet when he ran for reelection. Biden is still trying to fix the terrible mess he was left with. While the right ****es and complains about vaccine mandates...they're working. Covid cases are way down, hundreds of thousands of jobs are being added, and the stock market is way up (something that was really important to you guys before and is suddenly forgotten now). Hyper inflation is being caused by supply chain issues that started under Trump because he was completely unprepared for a pandemic that everyone, including his predecessor told him was coming. He never did any actual work. He tweeted, he golfed, he ate fast food. He didn't do any of the actual work it takes to lead the country. He was an unmitigated disaster as president. It's laughable that the right ascribes all of these qualities to a man who literally didn't care about the presidency other than the fame and fortune it could bring him personally.
November 5, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Just for the record on the Oil/Gas inflation--- gee I wonder why gas proces are climbing. I donty expect CNN watchers to actually know whats going on, so I will help. Biden Orders Reversal of Trump’s ‘Energy Independence’ Policies https://oilmanmagazine.com/biden-orders-reversal-of-trumps-energy-independence-policies/ uncomfortable truth: domestic oil production grew tremendously under Obama. virtually all of our "energy independence" was accomplished under his administration.
November 5, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Just for the record on the Oil/Gas inflation--- gee I wonder why gas proces are climbing. I donty expect CNN watchers to actually know whats going on, so I will help. Biden Orders Reversal of Trump’s ‘Energy Independence’ Policies https://oilmanmagazine.com/biden-orders-reversal-of-trumps-energy-independence-policies/ Uhh... that has absolutely nothing to do with the rise of crude oil prices on a micro time scale.
November 5, 20213 yr Just now, JohnSnowsHair said: uncomfortable truth: domestic oil production grew tremendously under Obama. virtually all of our "energy independence" was accomplished under his administration. i'm sure that fact is mentioned in that super objective oil man magazine article. i mean....why wouldn't it be?
November 5, 20213 yr 56 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Yup slow witted. Only worries about yourself. For the record, our business has been booming since 2016. Best year we have ever had. Yeah I have made more money. But I also see inflation, I see suplly shortages etc. This effacts everyone. Not just me you dolt. And your poor decisions and greed are the reasons why we are having this issue. OWN IT. You voted this guy in! Ahh the cult has spoken. How dare I challenge the status quo. LOL Blind idiots. Hows that Bidenflation going? Talk to me again in about 12 weeks.
November 5, 20213 yr 50 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: I fall in the median, lean left a bit, but am closer to Libertarian in some stuff like limiting Government. But I am also a independent thinker, which neither Dems nor Repubs like The "libertarian" wanted the guy who tried overthrowing the democratic process, boasted about running for a 3rd, 4th, and 5th term (in clear violation of the constitution), monetized the presidency, bypassed congress, and appointed family members to prominent positions in the government. He also drove up the debt and deficit by the way.
November 5, 20213 yr 45 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said: Keep telling yourself that. He's just as bad. Dems discussing Biden... When Biden makes Hunter secretary of state and tells Georgia to "find him more votes" so he can win, get back to me.
November 5, 20213 yr 17 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: Just for the record on the Oil/Gas inflation--- gee I wonder why gas proces are climbing. I donty expect CNN watchers to actually know whats going on, so I will help. Biden Orders Reversal of Trump’s ‘Energy Independence’ Policies https://oilmanmagazine.com/biden-orders-reversal-of-trumps-energy-independence-policies/ Nope, ishlibs assured me nothing the President does affects oil prices and the insane rise we've seen since Biden became president is completely coincidental. In short, it's a cult.
November 5, 20213 yr Seeing people in this thread speaking in absolutes on topics they clearly have zero understanding of is one of the things that makes me truly worried for this country... and humanity in general. There are large groups of people who are seemingly becoming less educated/more ignorant while, at the same time, becoming more opinionated and convinced of their own infallibility. It's wild to actually see play out in real time. I feel like we reached our intellectual peak as a country decades ago and we've been on a decline ever since. The effects of which have left us with what we're reading in this thread.
November 5, 20213 yr 3 minutes ago, Kz! said: Nope, ishlibs assured me nothing the President does affects oil prices and the insane rise we've seen since Biden became president is completely coincidental. In short, it's a cult. Got it. So I guess you're voluntarily throwing yourself in with the morons who think cancelling the Keystone Pipeline was responsible for a 1 year rise in oil prices. Can't say I'm surprised.
November 5, 20213 yr 44 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said: They have a checklist of talking points and rarely do they go off script. Say one thing sideways about President Pop Pop and the yeah-buts come out. It's personal for them. Pretty sad TBH. As myself and numerous others have pointed out... Fact: The stock market not only recovered but is at a record high Fact: Pandemic numbers are down (the mandate is working) Fact: Jobs are being added Fact: Unemployment is way down And Fact: we had a binary decision to make between Trump and Biden. So yes comparing them is absolutely a relevant argument. Opinion: Trump is going to be the GOP nominee. So our choices are likely going to be Trump and Biden again, or Trump vs. some other democrat.
November 5, 20213 yr Author 11 minutes ago, mayanh8 said: I feel like we reached our intellectual peak as a country decades ago and we've been on a decline ever since. Yes.
November 5, 20213 yr 37 minutes ago, Ipiggles said: I know, according to those who voted for Biden, all this stuff IS Trumps fault you literally cant make this up. God this would be funny if not soo sad. They really believe this admin is doing a good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Biden has certainly had his own screwups. And Dems in congress are a fugging mess. But yeah, Trump absolutely handed Biden a crap hand. Obama handed Trump a stable and growing economy.
November 5, 20213 yr the internet gave a voice & a platform to the truly stupid segment of our society that is easily duped & believes in wacky conspiracies to make themselves feel better about their lives.
November 5, 20213 yr We're still waiting for Biden appointees to start work.... Most of them still haven't been approved yet. https://ourpublicservice.org/political-appointee-tracker/ Yet some of us are acting like the clock resets to zero as soon as the successor walks into office and turns on the lights.
November 5, 20213 yr 7 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: the internet gave a voice & a platform to the truly stupid segment of our society that is easily duped & believes in wacky conspiracies to make themselves feel better about their lives. Does this mean JFK Jr isn’t coming?
November 5, 20213 yr 40 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: uncomfortable truth: domestic oil production grew tremendously under Obama. virtually all of our "energy independence" was accomplished under his administration. By fracking…despite all his green energy subsidies and incompetence/corruption
November 5, 20213 yr 14 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said: By fracking…despite all his green energy subsidies and incompetence/corruption and of course one would have to look past all the deregulation that Trump did for the OIl and Gas industry and the results that followed to believe Obama did all that. Just like one would have to be a complete partisan hack to say Biden's Admin is doing a great job! Sad we just cant talk about the facts anymore.
November 5, 20213 yr 50 minutes ago, Gannan said: As myself and numerous others have pointed out... Fact: The stock market not only recovered but is at a record high Fact: Pandemic numbers are down (the mandate is working) Fact: Jobs are being added Fact: Unemployment is way down And Fact: we had a binary decision to make between Trump and Biden. So yes comparing them is absolutely a relevant argument. Opinion: Trump is going to be the GOP nominee. So our choices are likely going to be Trump and Biden again, or Trump vs. some other democrat. Biden, Biden - he's our man!
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