January 21, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: It goes through tribal land... and I’m assuming that’s the case because other people didn’t want it on their land. the thing about pipelines is - everybody likes them right up until the point they’re told it’s going across their property... I get that. I have to think there was some way it could be worked out with the tribes. The alternative to the pipeline is more, not less pollution.
January 21, 20214 yr 31 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I'm not down with killing off the Keystone XL pipeline project. Studies done during Obama's administration showed that the pipeline would reduce environmental impact relative to the reality of what will happen if it's not built - i.e. the oil will still be shipped to the refineries, but using much more environmentally damaging means. Freight, ship, even truck. Logic and big picture tactics don't factor in much for the hard lefties
January 21, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I get that. I have to think there was some way it could be worked out with the tribes. The alternative to the pipeline is more, not less pollution. Also, Biden’s Secretary of the Interior is Native American and against the pipeline. FWIW
January 21, 20214 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: Also, Biden’s Secretary of the Interior is Native American and against the pipeline. FWIW Ok. It's still the wrong call IMHO.
January 21, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Ok. It's still the wrong call IMHO. We all know why it went across tribal land. I bet if you think about it you’ll figure it out.
January 21, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: We all know why it went across tribal land. I bet if you think about it you’ll figure it out. I don't. If there are alternative routes that can and should be considered, then they absolutely should be. If the tribes don't submit, then I don't think the pipeline ought to go through there - especially if alternative routes are available. I don't know everything about the pipeline. I just believe, looking at the analysis that was done, the pipeline makes sense.
January 21, 20214 yr Author 40 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Logic and big picture tactics don't factor in much for the hard lefties You don't have to be a hard lefty to oppose the pipeline.
January 21, 20214 yr 9 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: You don't have to be a hard lefty to oppose the pipeline. Yeah, but it is a good example that JohnSH brings up to show their lack of full logic
January 21, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: It goes through tribal land... and I’m assuming that’s the case because other people didn’t want it on their land. the thing about pipelines is - everybody likes them right up until the point they’re told it’s going across their property... Not only tribal land... The pipeline goes through a National Natural Landmark and the Ogallala Aquifer, a large fresh water reserve. They can route the XL pipeline around... But much of the land for the XL route was already taken by eminent domain.
January 21, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: Logic and big picture tactics don't factor in much for the hard lefties Trudeau is a lefty and he supports it
January 21, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Yeah, but it is a good example that JohnSH brings up to show their lack of full logic
January 21, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, DEagle7 said: Sweeping changes already! Yeah. Biden made an upgrade to one of those Freestyle machines. LOL
January 21, 20214 yr 18 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Let’s Go!!! I'll tell you right now, not good you dumb F.
January 21, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, toolg said: Not only tribal land... The pipeline goes through a National Natural Landmark and the Ogallala Aquifer, a large fresh water reserve. They can route the XL pipeline around... But much of the land for the XL route was already taken by eminent domain. My main point is that on power, the pipeline is a no brainer. It significantly reduces environmental impact over the alternatives and creates some jobs in the process (though we never hear about the truck drivers and shipmen whose jobs are going to be lost to the pipeline, but whatever). It seems like the sort of thing two parties operating in good faith could figure out.
January 21, 20214 yr 14 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: My main point is that on power, the pipeline is a no brainer. It significantly reduces environmental impact over the alternatives and creates some jobs in the process (though we never hear about the truck drivers and shipmen whose jobs are going to be lost to the pipeline, but whatever). It seems like the sort of thing two parties operating in good faith could figure out. Perhaps. It seems like neither party wants to reach a compromise. The planners went for the most direct route, buying up and taking over properties before the entire route could be secured. The plan goes through undeveloped land, likely on purpose; where the environmentalists say this area is best left undeveloped for good reason. The pipeline could route around the areas in question. Then again, the NIMBYs could come out no matter what route they choose. If it’s your pasture they want to take over, you’re not going to like it either.
January 22, 20214 yr 37 minutes ago, Gannan said: Already banned from twitter The account is still active and up though.
January 22, 20214 yr Did we forget about this?https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/31/us/keystone-pipeline-leak-trnd/index.html Part of the Keystone 1 Pipeline in North Dakota was shut down after a leak of about 9,120 barrels of oil – 383,040 gallons – was discovered, TC Energy company said in a statement. Keystone pipeline leak The oil leak was discovered just north of Edinburg, in the northeast part of the state, and affected about 2,500 square yards of land, the company said. A drop in pressure was detected on Tuesday, and the pipeline was immediately shut down, the company said. The company is not sure how the leak started, but says an independent party is examining the pipeline. "We are establishing air quality, water and wildlife monitoring and will continue monitoring throughout the response. There have been no reported injuries or impacted wildlife,” TC Energy said. "The safety of the public and environment are our top priorities and we will continue to provide updates as they become available.” The North Dakota Department of Environmental Quality said the spill impacted a wetland area. "Personnel from the NDDEQ are at the site and will continue to monitor the investigation and remediation,” the department said in a news release. The Indigenous Environmental Network, an environmental justice nonprofit group, responded to the spill with concern. "This is exactly the kind of spill we are worried about when it comes to Keystone XL being built. It has never been if a pipeline breaks but rather when,” said Joye Braun, Indigenous Environmental Network frontline community organizer. The organization criticized the company, saying that it hasn’t done enough to secure the infrastructure of the pipeline.In 2017, a spill exposed 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota.
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