54 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

BG and Caesar's interactions are my absolute favorite thing about this place

I honestly can’t tell if they’re serious or trolling us 

1 hour ago, caesar said:

Read the whole thing.   What Trump did or didn't do is not all that relevant.  He is NOT qualified to be a leader of a democracy due to his many many many many (did I say many) character flaws.  And at the end of the day, he didn't crap gold or make monkeys fly.  In other words, his "accomplishments" aren't really that mind blowing.   He is not a diplomat (no one is going to confuse him with Kissinger or Nixon's China diplomacy), and arguably the economy had been recovering under Obama and thus continued onward.  Trump is no economist, he acts by the seat of his pants, off hunches and impulses -- I doubt he understands monetary policy or how the fed works (other than a simplistic view -- hey keep interest rates down buddy, or I'll fire you).    He didn't bring back coal; he didn't bring back blue collar factory jobs so that those people can make a decent middle class living. He primarily helped himself and his buddies.  When things got tuff, he basically checked out (see pandemic, see election loss). 

Even if you, for sake of argument say, oh Trump helped stimulate the economy (whether by explicit policies, luck or being there during the right time) and created some jobs --  it is not even close to overcoming his giant Dickiness and giant character flaws.    Ya know, they said Mussolini made the trains run on time.    Yay -- so we get some good things from corrupt a-holes.   That doesn't mean they belong in the Whitehouse.      Some good things ain't enuf and we are better than that.  

More facts less "feelings" next times. Your unhinge    

7 hours ago, Green Dog said:

 

 

3 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

McConnell is removing the filibuster demand from the Organizing Resolution!

Dems can’t overturn it

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Dems can’t overturn it

Right. Where we are right now is probably the right place. You have multiple Democrats on record saying they don't support eliminating the filibuster. Making some commitment not to do so removes leverage the Democrats have if Republicans just go full obstructionist. 

The way things are, both parties have some incentive to proceed in good faith.

Though frankly, I don't doubt McConnell would like to get rid of it so that when Republicans have a small majority - maybe as soon as 2022 (though it's a little uphill) - can ram even more legislation through. He just doesn't want to be the one to do it. Obstructing and trying to force the hand of the Democrats - like they did with the filibuster on judicial nominees - seems likely.

6 hours ago, NVeagle said:

 

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Right. Where we are right now is probably the right place. You have multiple Democrats on record saying they don't support eliminating the filibuster. Making some commitment not to do so removes leverage the Democrats have if Republicans just go full obstructionist. 

The way things are, both parties have some incentive to proceed in good faith.

Though frankly, I don't doubt McConnell would like to get rid of it so that when Republicans have a small majority - maybe as soon as 2022 (though it's a little uphill) - can ram even more legislation through. He just doesn't want to be the one to do it. Obstructing and trying to force the hand of the Democrats - like they did with the filibuster on judicial nominees - seems likely.

A nice balanced spot for everyone. Those Dems that don’t support it get coverage vs the progressive fringe and the Repubs don’t have to give up anything in the basic agreement in return for a pledge. We all get the protection of an extra check against insane policy. Win win win. 

9 hours ago, NVeagle said:

 

Yup -- just as I thought.  You would attack/call names.  You have no defense for you position.  Therefore, your position, thoughts and opinions on the subject of Trump are invalid and inconsequential.  I will henceforth ignore your posts -- since you obviously are incapable or unwilling to engage beyond a childish level.

8 hours ago, Bear Grylls said:

More facts less "feelings" next times. Your unhinge    

LOL -- you apparently don't know what a feeling vs a fact is -- I can't help your lack of education.   But I'll try -  so feelings are like happy, sad, angry, etc.   But what I posted -- they refer to facts about what Trump did or did not do/did or did not accomplish.   If you disagree with the facts, state why. If you can't sensibly do so, you have no basis for your position  - and you should admit it.   That's the real issue -- when you can't defend yourself, you fall back to calling names "unhinged" or saying feelings.   Just saying those words -- like "election fraud" - don't make them so.  

But because I'm reasonable, I'll give you one more chance to crawl out of the hole you dug for yourself.  So explain how the following are feelings vs facts.  If you don't directly answer, I (and the rest of the board - other than NVEagle) will simply assume you know I'm right and just can't admit it.  So here we go:

 He didn't bring back coal; he didn't bring back blue collar factory jobs so that those people can make a decent middle class living. He primarily helped himself and his buddies.  When things got tuff, he basically checked out (see pandemic, see election loss). 

 

15 hours ago, NVeagle said:

 

Unprecedented Economic Boom

 

Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

 

America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections. Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.

 

The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.

Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.

More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.

Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.

 

Lol, nice copy and paste from here - like we should listen to the same administration that falsely shouted "election fraud" for 3 months:?   You are such a sucker for con artists its so funny (yet sad):

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

15 hours ago, Bear Grylls said:

Thank You.  Space Force and Jersusalem are some of my favorite 

Do you realize that is marketing from the Trump administration that NVEagles cited - but go ahead, listen to the same guys that lied to you about election fraud and many other things -- I'm sure its 100% accurate (I guess you love being played):

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

 

 

11 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

Guys...guys...guys...GUYS...

He copied it directly from a release Trump put on WH.gov the last week of his presidency

Yup, here it is.  Trump loves playing his base for fools:  https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

 

10 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

BG and Caesar's interactions are my absolute favorite thing about this place

@Bear Grylls isn't in my league.  He NEVER will directly address facts related to Trump's misdeeds and history or run-ins with the law and regulatory authorities.  Instead he'll just say "feelings" or call names or otherwise deflect or resort to whataboutism.   I enjoy making him twist so hard to avoid direct responses.

Yes, in four years one can compile a very large list of things "done".

Doing things doesn't make the things that are done better. A listing them in long form doesn't make it impressive.

Did everything Donald so suck? No. If Donald wasn't such a PoS would people be more inclined to look over the parts that do suck? Yeah. 

But he WAS a PoS. And much of what he did was done so for short-term gain at the expense of the long-term outlook for the nation.

The number of actual legislative gains is incredibly small considering he spent two years with a unified government.

While reduced somewhat, the ACA is still in place with no "great big replacement that's cheaper and better" in place.

The tax cuts injected a sugar rush into corporations who used much of the savings for buybacks, not in investments or the expansion of the domestic workforce. 

Manufacturing (including the Carrier plants he visited) is still not "coming back". Manufacturing job growth was continuing at the same pace as under Obama up until Covid.

Touting exiting the TPP isn't an accomplishment. It was, and still is, incredibly foolish. Being in the TPP would have positioned better to exact demands from China. 

The "trade deficit" with China is worse, not better, and we're continuing to subsidize farmers at levels never before necessary. 

NAFTA 2.0 was good. A solid, if unspectacular update to our trade agreement with our neighbors to the north and south. Nice +1 for Trump.

Our western allies are now understandably distrustful of us, and despite the election of Biden they know we're one election away from another populist demagogue driving a wedge in relations. You can criticize the career professionals ("deep state") all you want, but having some continuity of foreign policy across executives is a must have in world affairs. 

The nation is more divided than it was 4 years ago, because this guy spent most of his time in office framing half the country as enemies of the state, while he enacted policies that benefited his supporters at the expense of those who didn't. He refused to be president for the whole nation, and over 4 years withdrew further into a safe space where yes-men created an echo chamber he still lives in - and that allows him to actually BELIEVE that the election was stolen.

I'm sorry. But he is easily the worst president of the modern era. Which puts him high in the running for worst of all time. This isn't hyperbole. This is reality.

10 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Yes, in four years one can compile a very large list of things "done".

Doing things doesn't make the things that are done better. A listing them in long form doesn't make it impressive.

Did everything Donald so suck? No. If Donald wasn't such a PoS would people be more inclined to look over the parts that do suck? Yeah. 

But he WAS a PoS. And much of what he did was done so for short-term gain at the expense of the long-term outlook for the nation.

The number of actual legislative gains is incredibly small considering he spent two years with a unified government.

While reduced somewhat, the ACA is still in place with no "great big replacement that's cheaper and better" in place.

The tax cuts injected a sugar rush into corporations who used much of the savings for buybacks, not in investments or the expansion of the domestic workforce. 

Manufacturing (including the Carrier plants he visited) is still not "coming back". Manufacturing job growth was continuing at the same pace as under Obama up until Covid.

Touting exiting the TPP isn't an accomplishment. It was, and still is, incredibly foolish. Being in the TPP would have positioned better to exact demands from China. 

The "trade deficit" with China is worse, not better, and we're continuing to subsidize farmers at levels never before necessary. 

NAFTA 2.0 was good. A solid, if unspectacular update to our trade agreement with our neighbors to the north and south. Nice +1 for Trump.

Our western allies are now understandably distrustful of us, and despite the election of Biden they know we're one election away from another populist demagogue driving a wedge in relations. You can criticize the career professionals ("deep state") all you want, but having some continuity of foreign policy across executives is a must have in world affairs. 

The nation is more divided than it was 4 years ago, because this guy spent most of his time in office framing half the country as enemies of the state, while he enacted policies that benefited his supporters at the expense of those who didn't. He refused to be president for the whole nation, and over 4 years withdrew further into a safe space where yes-men created an echo chamber he still lives in - and that allows him to actually BELIEVE that the election was stolen.

I'm sorry. But he is easily the worst president of the modern era. Which puts him high in the running for worst of all time. This isn't hyperbole. This is reality.

Of course you are 100% right.   But @Bear Grylls and @NVeaglewill say your post is just feelings.  They will not provide a point by point response or substantively address any of your points.  Either they are incapable or unwilling.  I think they are deep in the cult and don't realize how much they have been played.

33 minutes ago, caesar said:

Of course you are 100% right.   But @Bear Grylls and @NVeaglewill say your post is just feelings.  They will not provide a point by point response or substantively address any of your points.  Either they are incapable or unwilling.  I think they are deep in the cult and don't realize how much they have been played.

@Bear Grylls is quite the intellectual heavyweight.

2 hours ago, caesar said:

@Bear Grylls isn't in my league.  He NEVER will directly address facts related to Trump's misdeeds and history or run-ins with the law and regulatory authorities.  Instead he'll just say "feelings" or call names or otherwise deflect or resort to whataboutism.   I enjoy making him twist so hard to avoid direct responses.

17 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I just hope he isn't mentally incapacitated or disabled in some respect.  Then I would feel bad.  He may have some mental issues.

Bear is a national treasure

11 minutes ago, caesar said:

I just hope he isn't mentally incapacitated or disabled in some respect.  Then I would feel bad.  He may have some mental issues.

Nah you're good. Keep at it.

Should we tell him?  Nah, it's more fun this way 

2 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Should we tell him?  Nah, it's more fun this way 

What is he medically messed up?  If so, you should tell me.

12 hours ago, NVeagle said:

 

 

Here ya go:   https://www.maralagoclub.com/membership-opportunities

42 minutes ago, caesar said:

I just hope he isn't mentally incapacitated or disabled in some respect.  Then I would feel bad.  He may have some mental issues.

classic eliteist liberal.

I don agree wirh you so i must have "mental issue".  We'll see who haves the mental issue when the booming rocket ship economy Trump built collaps under Biden. I already invested in Gold again. Your a member of CVON family too, so I suggest you invest in Gold. I Dont want to see u go bankrupt even if your an eliteist, 

Goldline.com is where i go and you should too. I give you my personal promo code if you w ant.