June 17, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, The Norseman said: No, there is a thread for that. What I'm surprised about is that none of you will allow any substantive conversation about Joe Biden in the Joe Biden thread. Actually, that's not true. I'm not at all surprised. So you see an acting president that in your view is a total failure, yet whenever you bring his name up all you get is "Why does got to be about him?". That must be very frustrating for you. I can't imagine what that must be like.
June 17, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I meant it's a pretend notion from the right that there's a magical switch that turns gas cheap. But jokes aren't as funny when you have to explain them. Again, it's all been explained to you guys hundreds of times. You just choose to ignore it because your media masters need you to be outraged. I assure that it wasn't funny before you explained it. So the answer is basically do nothing because this was all inevitable and it can't be changed. Got it. Good luck in the mid terms. 😂
June 17, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: So you see an acting president that in your view is a total failure, yet whenever you bring his name up all you get is "Why does got to be about him?". That must be very frustrating for you. I can't imagine what that must be like. I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean. Nonsensical gibberish. But while your here...I'd be curious to hear your "libertarian" thoughts on Biden's fiscal spending over the last year. I can only assume that you were as outraged as you were when Trump was spending money. Right?
June 17, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, lynched1 said: We know. We? Oh yeah, it's Friday. Please, for every family of four on the roads today, call an Uber.
June 17, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean. Nonsensical gibberish. But while your here...I'd be curious to hear your "libertarian" thoughts on Biden's fiscal spending over the last year. I can only assume that you were as outraged as you were when Trump was spending money. Right? Not trying to answer for @Gannan or posing as a libertarian, but in hindsight… if I could pick between build back better or the free money handout to businesses and jacked up unemployment checks signed by trump… I’d pick the one designed to actually put people to work and build physical infrastructure around the country. Again, that’s with the hindsight we didn’t have at the beginning of the pandemic.
June 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, MidMoFo said: Not trying to answer for @Gannan or posing as a libertarian, but in hindsight… if I could pick between build back better or the free money handout to businesses and jacked up unemployment checks signed by trump… I’d pick the one designed to actually put people to work and build physical infrastructure around the country. Again, that’s with the hindsight we didn’t have at the beginning of the pandemic. They act like that 4.5 trillion Trump put us in the hole before covid never happened.
June 17, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: *Trillions And if it wasn't for Manchin Biden would have nearly doubled it. A little over seven or so from 2016 to 2020, right?
June 17, 20223 yr 34 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I assure that it wasn't funny before you explained it. So the answer is basically do nothing because this was all inevitable and it can't be changed. Got it. Good luck in the mid terms. 😂 Well I don’t think anyone expects the Dems to not take a beating in the House in the midterms but, unbelievably they may very well hold in the Senate. That’s how sheety the Republican candidates are. And if controlling spending’s your concern, then that’s the balance of power that’s most likely to reign it in (if recent history is any indication), a Rep House and Dem President.
June 17, 20223 yr 49 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Not trying to answer for @Gannan or posing as a libertarian, but in hindsight… if I could pick between build back better or the free money handout to businesses and jacked up unemployment checks signed by trump… I’d pick the one designed to actually put people to work and build physical infrastructure around the country. Again, that’s with the hindsight we didn’t have at the beginning of the pandemic. Social programs from LBJ and and FDR are largely what got us into this fiscal mess. Putting more social programs into production isn't the answer no matter what Biden tells you. The Covid relief bills from Trump and Biden were subject to enormous fraud and much of that money has yet to be spent. More proof that even when the government has good intentions they are incapable of anything even approaching fiscal responsibility. And no, it doesn't matter who's in charge. I assume by "free money handouts" you're referring to tax reductions and incentives. That's a great catch phrase for liberal know nothings, but the fact is that companies with more money are able to hire more people in order to grow. Lower taxes onshore also incent foreign companies to do business here. While short term government spending on things like infrastructure may create jobs, it requires more government spending to keep those people employed long term. I'm not suggesting that we didn't need infrastructure upgrades, but I don't look at that as sustainable job creation. Sorry.
June 17, 20223 yr Listening to conservative radio today and I couldn’t help but think that the small government Republicans want Biden to intervene in like six different industries.
June 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, The Norseman said: Social programs from LBJ and and FDR are largely what got us into this fiscal mess. Putting more social programs into production isn't the answer no matter what Biden tells you. The Covid relief bills from Trump and Biden were subject to enormous fraud and much of that money has yet to be spent. More proof that even when the government has good intentions they are incapable of anything even approaching fiscal responsibility. And no, its doesn't matter who's in charge. I assume by "free money handouts" you're referring to tax reductions and incentives. That's a great catch phrase for liberal know nothings, but the fact is that business with more money are able to hire more people in order to grow. Lower taxes onshore also incent foreign companies to do business here. While short term government spending on things like infrastructure may create jobs, it requires more government spending to keep those people employed long term. I'm not suggesting that we didn't need infrastructure upgrades, but I don't look at that as sustainable job creation. Sorry. No, I wasn’t talking about tax cuts. I was talking about PPP loans with zero oversight. I know a lot of companies who got hundreds of thousands of dollars, some over a million, with zero oversight. Some payed employees while in quarantine during the pandemic, some didn’t. None of them paid more money to maintain employment than they were given. Some made significant upgrades in their personal life, some (wisely) invested the extra money into their business. Either way it was a free money handout to businesses with no oversight or strings attached. I have an uncle and cousin who got over $30k for their farm LLC for just the 2 of them!!! Neither of them ever missed time from farming because of covid… The Paycheck Protection Program loans, if you trumplican forget everythings can’t remember what PPP loans were… The other free handouts I’m talking about was the extra $600 a week unemployed people were given. People were making more money sitting on their arses than they were used to working for, which is a whole other shame…
June 17, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean. Nonsensical gibberish. But while your here...I'd be curious to hear your "libertarian" thoughts on Biden's fiscal spending over the last year. I can only assume that you were as outraged as you were when Trump was spending money. Right? Both parties spend out of control. Whoever the next president is will spend out of control too. It’s a wash. If you all want to elect me president, I’ll break the cycle. I promise.
June 17, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: No, I wasn’t talking about tax cuts. I was talking about PPP loans with zero oversight. I know a lot of companies who got hundreds of thousands of dollars, some over a million, with zero oversight. Some payed employees while in quarantine during the pandemic, some didn’t. None of them paid more money to maintain employment than they were given. Some made significant upgrades in their personal life, some (wisely) invested the extra money into their business. Either way it was a free money handout to businesses with no oversight or strings attached. I have an uncle and cousin who got over $30k for their farm LLC for just the 2 of them!!! Neither of them ever missed time from farming because of covid… The Paycheck Protection Program loans, if you trumplican forget everythings can’t remember what PPP loans were… The other free handouts I’m talking about was the extra $600 a week unemployed people were given. People were making more money sitting on their arses than they were used to working for, which is a whole other shame… Ah...PPP. In that case I don't disagree with a single thing you've said. However, good luck getting re-elected if you don't help out in a crisis. All this government spending is disastrous...even when the intentions are good and it is widely popular. The government simply cannot execute anything without making a mess of it.
June 17, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, Gannan said: Both parties spend out of control. Whoever the next president is will spend out of control too. It’s a wash. If you all want to elect me president, I’ll break the cycle. I promise. Keep making sense and you can be my VP
June 17, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Gannan said: Both parties spend out of control. Whoever the next president is will spend out of control too. It’s a wash. If you all want to elect me president, I’ll break the cycle. I promise. 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: Keep making sense and you can be my VP Don't do it, he may have you hung if your refuse to betray you country!
June 17, 20223 yr If it were up to me, I’d pick Liz Cheney as the next president, but the crazies have taken over.
June 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Gannan said: If we’re up to me, I’d pick Liz Cheney as the next president, but the crazies have taken over. Seconded
June 17, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, Gannan said: If we’re up to me, I’d pick Liz Cheney as the next president, but the crazies have taken over. Anybody but Trump, Harris, Biden or Desantis. We need an adult in the room...no more partisan nonsense. I'm a big fan of Nikki Haley...her knowledge on China is fantastic. It's time we stopped playing checkers and started playing chess on the global scene. And before anyone calls me a partisan, I'd also happily vote for Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin or Gina Raimondo. This country is in desperate need of a fiscal conservative and a social moderate who can legislate effectively.
June 18, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, Gannan said: If it were up to me, I’d pick Liz Cheney as the next president, but the crazies have taken over. I’d be fine with Liz. Her dad might be a war criminal but beggars can’t be choosers. But obviously she’s about as likely to get the Rep nod as I am.
June 18, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Anybody but Trump, Harris, Biden or Desantis. We need an adult in the room...no more partisan nonsense. I'm a big fan of Nikki Haley...her knowledge on China is fantastic. It's time we stopped playing checkers and started playing chess on the global scene. And before anyone calls me a partisan, I'd also happily vote for Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Manchin or Gina Raimondo. This country is in desperate need of a fiscal conservative and a social moderate who can legislate effectively. Oh God Tulsi Gabbard might be worse than Trump. I don’t want another Russian stooge.
June 18, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: I’d be fine with Liz. Her dad might be a war criminal but beggars can’t be choosers. But obviously she’s about as likely to get the Rep nod as I am. Exactly. Her political career is over, she’s down more than 20 points in her primary last time I checked the polls. I respect that she sacrificed her political career to protect the constitution and our republic. That’s what a real leader does. In short, I trust her. Same goes for Pence. The bar is so low now, anyone who loves American democracy and follows the constitution will do.
June 18, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Gannan said: Oh God Tulsi Gabbard might be worse than Trump. I don’t want another Russian stooge. And down the rathole again you go...
June 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, MidMoFo said: No, I wasn’t talking about tax cuts. I was talking about PPP loans with zero oversight. I know a lot of companies who got hundreds of thousands of dollars, some over a million, with zero oversight. Some payed employees while in quarantine during the pandemic, some didn’t. None of them paid more money to maintain employment than they were given. Some made significant upgrades in their personal life, some (wisely) invested the extra money into their business. Either way it was a free money handout to businesses with no oversight or strings attached. I have an uncle and cousin who got over $30k for their farm LLC for just the 2 of them!!! Neither of them ever missed time from farming because of covid… The Paycheck Protection Program loans, if you trumplican forget everythings can’t remember what PPP loans were… The other free handouts I’m talking about was the extra $600 a week unemployed people were given. People were making more money sitting on their arses than they were used to working for, which is a whole other shame… Uh…we also literally gave people direct deposits into their bank accounts. Trump made sure his signature was on the stimulus checks. Both sides give money away like drunken sailors to buy votes.
June 18, 20223 yr Just now, The Norseman said: And down the rathole again you go... The soviets are the enemy. You guys can complain about gas prices all you want, it means nothing if the soviets control the globe. They are an existential threat to our way of life. They have been since we defeated the NSDAPs. Dealing with them is actually the most important issue facing our country. We need the ghost of Reagan or a Dick Cheney & Liz Cheney ticket. If they aren’t defeated, all of this is for nothing.
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