Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Possible, depends on the timelines of proceedings and whether any cultists would be able to make it onto the jury and throw a wrench into things, should it even make it to a trial. Stalling our justice system isn't exactly a herculean task these days.

Yeah, but there is still time.  And Atlanta would be ideal as far as jury pool.

@sameaglesfan and some others here are what's called "Republican Classic". I like "Republican Classic". I really do. But it's gone and it's never coming back. Even when Trump is finally gone, he will just get replaced with Q anon conspiracy loons and alt right nut jobs. You'll get Marjory Taylor Green with her Jewish Space Lasers, Hershel Walker  and China stealing our good air, and Doug Mastriano who thinks "The Handmaid's Tale" is a how-to book.  It's what the party is and will be for the foreseeable future. 

Just now, BBE said:

Yeah, but there is still time.  And Atlanta would be ideal as far as jury pool.

One thing that's been made apparent over the last couple of years... there are cultists everywhere and from all walks of life. The cult is as large as ever, the cult is as strong as ever.

4 minutes ago, Gannan said:

@sameaglesfan and some others here are what's called "Republican Classic". I like "Republican Classic". I really do. But it's gone and it's never coming back. Even when Trump is finally gone, he will just get replaced with Q anon conspiracy loons and alt right nut jobs. You'll get Marjory Taylor Green with her Jewish Space Lasers, Hershel Walker  and China stealing our good air, and Doug Mastriano who thinks "The Handmaid's Tale" is a how-to book.  It's what the party is and will be for the foreseeable future. 

Sadly - you are most likely correct.

18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

They're both in denial. We're stuck with Trump v Biden for another election. It's not ideal, but it's the situation we're in because Trump won't go away, and Biden is the best chance to beat him. I wouldn't hold your breath expecting anything else.

Oh - I agree that this is likely - but very depressing - fingers crossed those two are both either in an old folks home or in jail...

4 minutes ago, sameaglesfan said:

Oh - I agree that this is likely - but very depressing - fingers crossed those two are both either in an old folks home or in jail...

Even if the Big Macs do him in before the election, that still means you get DeSantis floating to the top of the ticket. No chance I'm voting for him either. I want a Romney, Amash, McCain, etc, or Republican Classic, as RJC said. But they're all considered RINOs now and have no chance against the bootlickers like DeSantis, Cruz, Hawley, etc. I mean, even guys like McConnell or Rubio don't have a prayer anymore. It's ridiculous what the party has become.

Buttigieg/Raimondo (or vice versa) 2032 

16 minutes ago, Gannan said:

@sameaglesfan and some others here are what's called "Republican Classic". I like "Republican Classic". I really do. But it's gone and it's never coming back. Even when Trump is finally gone, he will just get replaced with Q anon conspiracy loons and alt right nut jobs. You'll get Marjory Taylor Green with her Jewish Space Lasers, Hershel Walker  and China stealing our good air, and Doug Mastriano who thinks "The Handmaid's Tale" is a how-to book.  It's what the party is and will be for the foreseeable future. 

Part of me thinks the only way to get the party back is for Trump to lose to Biden again in 2024 -- watching MAGA lose again to the most beatable incumbent since Carter should be a wakeup call. But I fear that just as the Dems think going further left is the solution, the MAGA wing will think they need to go even more insane and vile to win (MTG 2028).

I really don't see another Trump/Biden ballot.  I hope not.  Country doesn't want it.  Trump hopefully will not be able to hold another public office in his lifetime, and Uncle Joe needs to hang it up for age/health reasons.  

 

Edited to say alot can happen in 2 years

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Even if the Big Macs do him in before the election, that still means you get DeSantis floating to the top of the ticket. No chance I'm voting for him either. I want a Romney, Amash, McCain, etc, or Republican Classic, as RJC said. But they're all considered RINOs now and have no chance against the bootlickers like DeSantis, Cruz, Hawley, etc. I mean, even guys like McConnell or Rubio don't have a prayer anymore. It's ridiculous what the party has become.

I'd need to learn more, but based on people I trust that actually know DeSantis -- he's not a moron, he's just playing one on TV in order to get the MAGA vote. I can handle pandering to a degree (Reagan pandered to the religious right but never actually listened to them and was famously not a church goer). He's far from my ideal, but he may be tolerable. It's better than seeing someone like MTG get the nomination. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Part of me thinks the only way to get the party back is for Trump to lose to Biden again in 2024 -- watching MAGA lose again to the most beatable incumbent since Carter should be a wakeup call. But I fear that just as the Dems think going further left is the solution, the MAGA wing will think they need to go even more insane and vile to win (MTG 2028).

There was a faint glimmer of hope when the hit job on Cawthorn happened.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'd need to learn more, but based on people I trust that actually know DeSantis -- he's not a moron, he's just playing one on TV in order to get the MAGA vote. I can handle pandering to a degree (Reagan pandered to the religious right but never actually listened to them and was famously not a church goer). He's far from my ideal, but he may be tolerable. It's better than seeing someone like MTG get the nomination. 

That's even more dangerous, if you ask me. Trump's achilles heel was that he was thoroughly incompetent so he couldn't actually coordinate and pull off all the unethical and criminal ish he wanted to achieve. DeSantis seems he's just as immoral, petty, and self-serving, but he's competent enough to be far more destructive if what we're seeing in FL is any indication. 

So youre judging DeSantis with your emotions, got it

How about policy?  What actual policies of his do you not agree with?

 

 

And what are we seeing in Florida?  What does that mean?  What are we seeing there and not other states?

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

So youre judging DeSantis with your emotions, got it

How about policy?  What actual policies of his do you not agree with?

 

 

And what are we seeing in Florida?  What does that mean?  What are we seeing there and not other states?

I can't speak for others, but I loathe when politicians weaponize government to target companies that don't go along with their agenda. I hate it and rail against it when the Dems do it (oil companies as an example), and I think what DeSantis did with Disney was abhorrent. It was also stupid as it potentially moves a bunch of debt onto public entities (the counties). 

Stop weaponizing government against private industry.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

So youre judging DeSantis with your emotions, got it

How about policy?  What actual policies of his do you not agree with?

 

 

And what are we seeing in Florida?  What does that mean?  What are we seeing there and not other states?

This is the guy he named as the state's top health official...

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I mean, you hear these stories, people telling you what’s been happening in their lives — nurses, pregnant women who are being forced to sort of put something in their bodies that we don’t know all there is to know about yet. No matter what people on TV tell you, it’s not true. We’re going to learn more about the safety of these vaccines, right?

You remember when people were telling you that, you know, that these vaccines would stop transmission and the rates of protection were greater than 90 percent? Well, guess what? Here we are about 10 months afterward. And we’re finding that the data are showing that in some of these vaccines, the protection from infection is less than 40 percent. And even less than that, for some of them.

So this idea that we are foolish for not believing people who are telling us things that we don’t have data for right now is ridiculous, and people need to continue and stick with their intuition and their sensibilities.

 

1 hour ago, VanHammersly said:

  The defund the police far-left doesn't want Joe to run?  Nooo!

NYT poll: 64% of Democrats don't want Joe to run.  They only polled the far-left?

From a month ago:  I guess these 50 Democrat officials are just the far-left too.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html
 

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As the challenges facing the nation mount and fatigued base voters show low enthusiasm, Democrats in union meetings, the back rooms of Capitol Hill and party gatherings from coast to coast are quietly worrying about Mr. Biden’s leadership, his age and his capability to take the fight to former President Donald J. Trump a second time.

Interviews with nearly 50 Democratic officials, from county leaders to members of Congress, as well as with disappointed voters who backed Mr. Biden in 2020, reveal a party alarmed about Republicans’ rising strength and extraordinarily pessimistic about an immediate path forward.

 

 

2 minutes ago, NOTW said:

NYT poll: 64% of Democrats don't want Joe to run.  They only polled the far-left?

From a month ago:  I guess these 50 Democrat officials are just the far-left too.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html
 

 

They'll have their chance to have their voices heard in a primary. Unlike the GQP, I doubt the dems will cancel the primaries should there be any challengers that surface.

it's like folks haven't figured out that the vast majority of people who voted for biden were actually voting against trump. might as well just put "anybody but trump" on the ballot.  

 

I’ll vote for Biden again over Trump even though I think Biden is WAY past his "Best Before” date and hasn’t done much as POTUS. I’ll vote for a wet sock over Trump. However, what I don’t want to do is vote for some whacked out wokologist. 

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I’ll vote for Biden again over Trump 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

I'd need to learn more, but based on people I trust that actually know DeSantis -- he's not a moron, he's just playing one on TV in order to get the MAGA vote. I can handle pandering to a degree (Reagan pandered to the religious right but never actually listened to them and was famously not a church goer). He's far from my ideal, but he may be tolerable. It's better than seeing someone like MTG get the nomination. 

 

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

I can't speak for others, but I loathe when politicians weaponize government to target companies that don't go along with their agenda. I hate it and rail against it when the Dems do it (oil companies as an example), and I think what DeSantis did with Disney was abhorrent. It was also stupid as it potentially moves a bunch of debt onto public entities (the counties). 

Stop weaponizing government against private industry.

The difference between Reagan and DeSantis is that Reagan didn't actually act on the pandering and he also was a natural politician. 

DeSantis seemed like he was a bit too much MAGA when he was campaigning, but when he actually came into office his policies were actually pretty good. The problem is during COVID, when he was pro opening things back up, he got too sucked into the MAGA spotlight and started doing dumb stuff. 

Another issue is he completely botched the response to the unemployment in the state caused by COVID, and was blaming Florida's COVID counts on undocumented workers, when in actuality it wasn't. 

I get that I will never live to see anyone with the moral caliber of President Bartlett in major politics, but things are so far off the deep end anymore. It's gotten worse than I could have ever thought possible. 

 

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

They're both in denial. We're stuck with Trump v Biden for another election. It's not ideal, but it's the situation we're in because Trump won't go away, and Biden is the best chance to beat him. I wouldn't hold your breath expecting anything else.

I think Trump is almost certainly going to try and run. 

Biden probably will run, but he's more likely than Trump to get out of the way. But there has to be someone Dems feel reasonably confident about, and that's the issue at the moment.

It's pretty much definitely NOT Harris. Nor is it any of the older also-rans like Warren or Bernie. Buttigieg probably isn't going to catch fire, though I do think he has a future on a ticket. 

When I look elsewhere.... yeah the bench isn't there. Phil Murphy? Pritzker? Newsom??? Not seeing those as serious candidates nationally. 

To me Polis is the only one that sorta makes sense, but he seems like he would only do so if Biden stepped aside. He doesn't appear to want to be seen as pushing him out. And Polis hasn't been vetted; the Jew/Gay thing may still hurt, which is dumb in 2024 but whatever. 

 

9 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

No, it's sane. Given two bad choices you go with least bad, which is Biden. 

Is your head that deeply buried up your ace about Jan 6 that you think Trump should actually occupy the office again?

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Buttigieg/Raimondo (or vice versa) 2032 

Buttigieg still has the same problem he did in 2020. He's not well liked in the black community. As unpopular as Biden is, he still has over 60% approval in the black community. It's why he won the primary and why he won the presidency. 

Were Biden to step aside and not run, I don't see how it isn't Harris who is also well liked in the black community. Democrats can't win without that support. They just can't. It would be like the gop running an atheist. Outside of the black community Harris is viewed even more unfavorably than Biden. 

On Desantis, who I don't like for the reasons Vikas mentioned... I could live with him if he at least was good on foreign policy (keeping us in NATO and being tough on Russia) and agreed to step down when his term is up. That's how low the bar is after Trump. 

6 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Buttigieg still has the same problem he did in 2020. He's not well liked in the black community. As unpopular as Biden is, he still has over 60% approval in the black community. It's why he won the primary and why he won the presidency. 

Even beyond that he didn't have enough national exposure/experience either. Smaller town mayor doesn't quite cut it. But I still like the guy.