August 26, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So you still can't tell me, but cried for hours straight about how easy it was and how educated and informed you were about it. What a jackass you are. No interest in the actual discussion, you just want to show your arse like a child Look, you uneducated backwoods moonshine swilling dumb ass, it's in the ballpark of $55B altogether if you're including both the lethal and non-lethal aid packages approved by Congress. Nowhere near your horseshit claims of $1T, hundreds of billions, or how you know it was close to $100B. Like I told you already, you're a really stupid person who thinks it's cool being stupid. And you'll always be this way because you have no shame in how insanely stupid you truly are.
August 26, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Look, you uneducated backwoods moonshine swilling dumb ass, it's in the ballpark of $55B altogether if you're including both the lethal and non-lethal aid packages approved by Congress. Nowhere near your horseshit claims of $1T, hundreds of billions, or how you know it was close to $100B. Like I told you already, you're a really stupid person who thinks it's cool being stupid. And you'll always be this way because you have no shame in how insanely stupid you truly are. No way. I heard from a solid source yesterday it was right around a trillion dollars.
August 26, 20223 yr 17 hours ago, mayanh8 said: Uh oh... Going to be so hilarious when trump gets beat by an old man with even more advanced dementia in two years.
August 26, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, vikas83 said: This is such disingenuous trash, and it’s not like there aren’t plenty of ways to attack MTG. PPP loans were structured as forgive-able loans at the time of issuance. So when a company took a PPP loan, it knew that it would be forgiven if the use of funds qualified. Had the loans not been designed that way from inception, it is doubtful that such a large number of companies would have taken them. Criticizing people for getting their PPP loans forgiven in accordance with the policy design is ridiculous. But comparing PPP forgiveness to student debt cancellation is ridiculously disingenuous. Student loans weren’t issued as forgive-able loans, and people took them knowing the terms and expected repayment. Now the government is simply changing the terms and screwing taxpayers years after the fact to please a core Democratic constituency. They’re both government hand outs leaving taxpayers on the hook. Just because the paperwork got shuffled differently doesn’t change that. Anyone who took the PPP free money forfeits their right to cry about student loan forgiveness without being a hypocrite. I took neither so:
August 26, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, vikas83 said: This is such disingenuous trash, and it’s not like there aren’t plenty of ways to attack MTG. PPP loans were structured as forgive-able loans at the time of issuance. So when a company took a PPP loan, it knew that it would be forgiven if the use of funds qualified. Had the loans not been designed that way from inception, it is doubtful that such a large number of companies would have taken them. Criticizing people for getting their PPP loans forgiven in accordance with the policy design is ridiculous. But comparing PPP forgiveness to student debt cancellation is ridiculously disingenuous. Student loans weren’t issued as forgive-able loans, and people took them knowing the terms and expected repayment. Now the government is simply changing the terms and screwing taxpayers years after the fact to please a core Democratic constituency. They're not criticizing people simply for getting PPP loans. They're criticizing people who are making black and white statements about how wrong it is for the government to forgive a loan while they themselves had a loan forgiven by the government. If never paying it back was a part of the agreement, which obviously it was, then they shouldn't have called it a loan. They should have called it an entitlement.
August 26, 20223 yr 50 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Look, you uneducated backwoods moonshine swilling dumb ass, it's in the ballpark of $55B altogether if you're including both the lethal and non-lethal aid packages approved by Congress. Nowhere near your horseshit claims of $1T, hundreds of billions, or how you know it was close to $100B. Like I told you already, you're a really stupid person who thinks it's cool being stupid. And you'll always be this way because you have no shame in how insanely stupid you truly are. Source? 36 minutes ago, Boogyman said: No way. I heard from a solid source yesterday it was right around a trillion dollars. Ill take a solid ish on your stupid head
August 26, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, Jsvand12 said: Going to be so hilarious when trump gets beat by an old man with even more advanced dementia in two years. Yes that massive 44% approval rating. Those are ratings you just cant buy! 23 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: They’re both government hand outs leaving taxpayers on the hook. Just because the paperwork got shuffled differently doesn’t change that. Anyone who took the PPP free money forfeits their right to cry about student loan forgiveness without being a hypocrite. I took neither so: Single digit IQ take, but thats par for the course for a Biden voter Derrppp theyr boff lones!!
August 26, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Mike31mt said: Source? Ill take a solid ish on your stupid head You made the claim first, burden of proof is on you. But to play along, I'll provide mine if you provide yours. You can even use trumpbot faves like the epoch times or conservative treehouse if you want.
August 26, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: You made the claim first, burden of proof is on you. But to play along, I'll provide mine if you provide yours. You can even use trumpbot faves like the epoch times or conservative treehouse if you want. Lol how is the burden of proof on me when Im simply asking for an amount? Jesus WGB I have more productive conversations with my 2 year old, but he turns 3 next month so hes not far behind you
August 26, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Lol how is the burden of proof on me when Im simply asking for an amount? Because the following wasn't a question... 19 hours ago, Mike31mt said: Didnt I explain why I changed the post? I know congress has sent close to $100B, if not more. I conflated that with the number coming just from Biden. It's a declarative statement. If you know something to true, it should be easy for you to provide a source from where you learned this information. Quote Jesus WGB I have more productive conversations with my 2 year old, but he turns 3 next month so hes not far behind you Sounds like he'll have to wait until he goes to school before he learns what constitutes a question or a statement, because clearly he aint gonna pick that up from pops.
August 26, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Single digit IQ take, but thats par for the course for a Biden voter Derrppp theyr boff lones!! Neither are loans if they aren’t paid back dipsheet. If you weren’t such a trump stooge you wouldn’t like either handout, but obviously you can only bring yourself to screech about one while ignoring the other.
August 26, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Lol how is the burden of proof on me when Im simply asking for an amount? Jesus WGB I have more productive conversations with my 2 year old, but he turns 3 next month so hes not far behind you He literally just gave you the information you found impossible to acquire on your own. 17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: Source? Math Ill take a solid ish on your stupid head Sick burn bruh.
August 26, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, MidMoFo said: Neither are loans if they aren’t paid back dipsheet. If you weren’t such a trump stooge you wouldn’t like either handout, but obviously you can only bring yourself to screech about one while ignoring the other. Your take is dumb and incorrect, try again
August 26, 20223 yr Author 45 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: They're not criticizing people simply for getting PPP loans. They're criticizing people who are making black and white statements about how wrong it is for the government to forgive a loan while they themselves had a loan forgiven by the government. If never paying it back was a part of the agreement, which obviously it was, then they shouldn't have called it a loan. They should have called it an entitlement. Yeah, I was gonna say, it'd be nice if their posts had the kind of...dare I say nuance that Vikas' did, but they don't. In fact, it's just a bunch of neanderthals who happily took out 0% loans going "Hurrr, durrrr, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE LOANS FORGIVEN!!!!!"
August 26, 20223 yr 45 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: They're not criticizing people simply for getting PPP loans. They're criticizing people who are making black and white statements about how wrong it is for the government to forgive a loan while they themselves had a loan forgiven by the government. If never paying it back was a part of the agreement, which obviously it was, then they shouldn't have called it a loan. They should have called it an entitlement. 3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yeah, I was gonna say, it'd be nice if their posts had the kind of...dare I say nuance that that Vikas' did, but they don't. In fact, it's just a bunch of neanderthals who happily took out 0% loans going "Hurrr, durrrr, NO ONE SHOULD HAVE LOANS FORGIVEN!!!!!" You can call them whatever you like - that's not the point. The point is that when someone took a PPP loan, it was designed to be forgiven. That was how the program was created, and people took the loans/entitlements knowing the rules of the game. Student loans were not set up to be forgiven. If it would make you feel better to state the criticism more clearly -- the government shouldn't change the rules AFTER the loan has been initiated. And certainly not simply through executive action. The loans were made by the taxpayers, and approved by Congress, with no mechanism for forgiveness. Now we just forgive them based on the decision of one person. That's bananas. Our entire system is based on the sanctity of contracts, and government keeps trying to mess that up (see GM bankruptcy).
August 26, 20223 yr Author 12 minutes ago, vikas83 said: You can call them whatever you like - that's not the point. The point is that when someone took a PPP loan, it was designed to be forgiven. That was how the program was created, and people took the loans/entitlements knowing the rules of the game. Student loans were not set up to be forgiven. If it would make you feel better to state the criticism more clearly -- the government shouldn't change the rules AFTER the loan has been initiated. I mean I get it. Like I've said, my main issue with this is how it's being done through via E.O. rather than legislation. With PPP, the people essentially gave out these loans via their elected representatives. If we're going to change the terms, then it should be done by the people through their elected representatives. But, unfortunately, this is merely one more episode in a long train of abuses of Executive power. We've been very far gone for a very long time for how the Framers intended for Executive authority to be exercised.
August 26, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said: A continuation of years of liberal policy? is this a trick question? Apparently it is for "conservatives” who love Trump 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Gannan now a full on raging progressive lib Nice deflection
August 26, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: I mean I get it. And, like I've said, my main issue with this is how it's being done through via E.O. rather than legislation. With PPP, the people essentially gave out these loans via their elected representatives. If we're going to change the terms, then it should be done by the the people through their elected representatives. But, unfortunately, this is merely one more episode in a long train of abuses of executive power. We're been very far gone for a very long time for how the Framers intended for Executive authority to exercised. I'm ignoring how this is basically trying to treat a meth addict by giving them more meth. The entire reason for the high cost of college and soaring debt is because the federal government gives loans to anyone with no regard for future value. It just annoys the crap out of me when people are disingenuous to score political points, and it annoys me even more that voters fall for it every damn time. Maybe we could have a substantive policy discussion if morons on the left and right didn't clap like seals for idiocy like this.
August 26, 20223 yr You guys debating an issue that is so simple. West Virginia Mike is just bitter that he wasn't smart enough to go to college, so he never got a government loan that was forgiven.
August 26, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, vikas83 said: You can call them whatever you like - that's not the point. The point is that when someone took a PPP loan, it was designed to be forgiven. That was how the program was created, and people took the loans/entitlements knowing the rules of the game. Student loans were not set up to be forgiven. If it would make you feel better to state the criticism more clearly -- the government shouldn't change the rules AFTER the loan has been initiated. And certainly not simply through executive action. The loans were made by the taxpayers, and approved by Congress, with no mechanism for forgiveness. Now we just forgive them based on the decision of one person. That's bananas. Our entire system is based on the sanctity of contracts, and government keeps trying to mess that up (see GM bankruptcy). My student loan was essentially designed to be forgiven too. Usually I agree with you, but this is all free money from the government. I’m just not seeing the difference other than it’s more palatable to most
August 26, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: I'm ignoring how this is basically trying to treat a meth addict by giving them more meth. The entire reason for the high cost of college and soaring debt is because the federal government gives loans to anyone with no regard for future value. It just annoys the crap out of me when people are disingenuous to score political points, and it annoys me even more that voters fall for it every damn time. Maybe we could have a substantive policy discussion if morons on the left and right didn't clap like seals for idiocy like this. I think it's a huge factor, but you're using absolute terms like "the entire reason..." I think the way that our higher education system functions on its own would be driving up the cost as well. It's not like costs weren't out of control before student loans were set up this way. It's been out of control for the last 40ish years.
August 26, 20223 yr Just now, Gannan said: My student loan was essentially designed to be forgiven too. Usually I agree with you, but this is all free money from the government. I’m just not seeing the difference other than it’s more palatable to most And your loan should be forgiven because it was designed that way. I may not be in favor of it, but those were the rules both sides agreed to when the loan was made. I thought the PPP program was moronic and way too broad -- but those were the rules. The student debt wasn't set up that way. I can disagree with the policy of PPP (it should have been more targeted with greater oversight) but also say you can't criticize people who took the money. Hell...my company took the money. You'd be an IDIOT not to given how they set it up. The point is changing the rules in the middle of the game.
August 26, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Gannan now a full on raging progressive lib Trump gave him a tbi to go with all that school debt 4 minutes ago, Gannan said: My student loan was essentially designed to be forgiven too. Usually I agree with you, but this is all free money from the government. I’m just not seeing the difference other than it’s more palatable to most Willfully blind then
August 26, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Gannan said: Apparently it is for "conservatives” who love Trump Nice deflection You misspelled populist
August 26, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said: You misspelled populist Uh ya that's literally why he put it in quotes. He's calling them fake conservatives, i.e. populists.
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