October 6, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yeah, but $40 bn a year is a drop in the bucket. If we're really concerned about the debt, we really should be looking at other programs as the main culprits of the deficit. At least educating our society has guaranteed ROI and increasing the take-home pay of the average American helps fuel the economy. STOP IT. The ROI on college for most people is terrible.
October 6, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: But this doesn't contribute in the least to the driving force behind inflation: people having too much money in their pockets. Because no one was paying their loans as is, so loan forgiveness literally has no effect whatsoever, though that all changes once they start having to actually repay the rest of their loans in a couple of months. It exacerbates the problem, particularly the cost of college. Giving away free money to spur demand when there is limited supply...the consequence is obvious.
October 6, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said: I always said that this should be done through legislation and not EO, as I doubt it will stand up to legal challenges, but at the end of the day, the shoe is on the other foot now, and I find it ironically hilarious that he used the same tactic for this EO that trump did to steal defense funds for his wall. Ultimately, what I was saying in that post was just a direct response to the "printing money" argument. We print money for everything, and a modicum of student debt forgiveness ought to be pretty far down the list of things to be concerned about over which we're "mortgaging the future." Spot on. Trump set precedent with his wall stunt.
October 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Gannan said: Spot on. Trump set precedent with his wall stunt. Eh...the abusive use of EOs pre-dates Trump. I agree he took it to another level, but Obama took it further than Bush, who took it further than Clinton, etc.
October 6, 20223 yr Author 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said: STOP IT. The ROI on college for most people is terrible. We agree that the loans should be more targeted towards fields that are more productive and where there is a greater need for jobs, but a more educated society also generally aligns with the common good. Otherwise, yeah, I don't think we should necessarily be doling out federal dollars for just anybody to attend any school for any major they want just to brush up on a hobby.
October 6, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, vikas83 said: It exacerbates the problem, particularly the cost of college. Giving away free money to spur demand when there is limited supply...the consequence is obvious. I have no doubt that it's bad for the cost of college, but as far as greater inflation goes, it's next to nothing compared with 3 covid bills, Trump's signed checks to every American, etc.
October 6, 20223 yr 7 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Yeah, but $40 bn a year is a drop in the bucket. If we're really concerned about the debt, we really should be looking at other programs as the main culprits of the deficit. At least educating our society has guaranteed ROI and increasing the take-home pay of the average American helps fuel the economy. Define "educating". We sure have a lot stupid educated people.
October 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: There it is. Big balls move. You mean the correct move.
October 6, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Sure, it's both. Big balls? How? It's legal in half the country and yet people are still in jail for simple possessions.
October 6, 20223 yr Just now, DaEagles4Life said: Big balls? How? It's legal in half the country and yet people are still in jail for simple possessions. Because every Republican's about to do a 180 on the issue and attack him relentlessly for it.
October 6, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Because every Republican's about to do a 180 on the issue and attack him relentlessly for it.
October 6, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: I'm telling you. They only have 1 move. It's always attack. They're sure as sheet not gonna praise him for it. Once Tucker, etc sink their teeth into it, I'd expect those numbers to head South pretty fast.
October 6, 20223 yr Author 14 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Define "educating". Quote ed·u·cate /ˈejəˌkāt/ verb gerund or present participle: educating give intellectual, moral, and social instruction to (someone, especially a child), typically at a school or university. "she was educated at a boarding school" provide or pay for instruction for (one's child), especially at a school. "she had crises of conscience about how best to educate her youngest child" give (someone) training in or information on a particular field. "a plan to educate the young on the dangers of drug-taking"
October 6, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Within 2 weeks most republicans will be against it. Loons like Hershel Walker and MTG will call for the death penalty for pot smokers. That's how BDS works. 28 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I'm telling you. They only have 1 move. It's always attack. They're sure as sheet not gonna praise him for it. Once Tucker, etc sink their teeth into it, I'd expect those numbers to head South pretty fast. Exactly
October 6, 20223 yr Just now, Gannan said: Within 2 weeks most republicans will be against it. Loons like Hershel Walker and MTG will call for the death penalty for pot smokers. That's how BDS works. Exactly Yeah, you can set your watch to it. Republicans will, en mass, turn on a dime on an issue if they're told to. And, really, it's any issue. The best example of that is still Syria. During the Obama admin, Assad attacked his own people and there was talk Obama would go in, Republican support for the move was almost nothing. Same exact thing happens under Trump and the support was sky high. Dems and Independents were close to the same in both cases, but with Repubs it was night and day. They physically can't support something if a Dem does it. That 73% support will drop to around 40% I'd guess by next week.
October 6, 20223 yr 50 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Define "educating". We sure have a lot stupid educated people. is somebody else going point out this hilarious post, or do i have to ?
October 6, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yeah, you can set your watch to it. Republicans will, en mass, turn on a dime on an issue if they're told to. And, really, it's any issue. The best example of that is still Syria. During the Obama admin, Assad attacked his own people and there was talk Obama would go in, Republican support for the move was almost nothing. Same exact thing happens under Trump and the support was sky high. Dems and Independents were close to the same in both cases, but with Repubs it was night and day. They physically can't support something if a Dem does it. That 73% support will drop to around 40% I'd guess by next week. the gobermant done lies bout everyting, accept about pot.
October 6, 20223 yr 48 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Define sarcasm 10 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: is somebody else going point out this hilarious post, or do i have to ? Go for it stud muffin
October 6, 20223 yr 37 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yeah, you can set your watch to it. Republicans will, en mass, turn on a dime on an issue if they're told to. And, really, it's any issue. The best example of that is still Syria. During the Obama admin, Assad attacked his own people and there was talk Obama would go in, Republican support for the move was almost nothing. Same exact thing happens under Trump and the support was sky high. Dems and Independents were close to the same in both cases, but with Repubs it was night and day. They physically can't support something if a Dem does it. That 73% support will drop to around 40% I'd guess by next week. We've already seen the slippery slope nonsense on FNC about rainbow fentanyl handed out to kids on halloween
October 6, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, vikas83 said: If they move it to Schedule 2, that's huge. Schedule 2 will kill the cannabis industry. The cannabis lobby will want Schedule 3 or no change.
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