25 minutes ago, Toty said:

It's funny how conspiracy theorists can never internalize the ridicule they receive and grow from it.

They just dig a deeper hole and retreat into their Walter Mitty fantasy universe.

Stupid is as stupid does.  
 

as long as there are stupid people their will be crazy conspiracy schemes to make money off them

i dont believe there is a single conspiracy concept that isnt anymore more than a money making scheme by the people pushing them to their followers that actually believe what their pushing.  They just know there are dumdums that with watch their videos and buy their books

 

There is more evidence of a conspiracy in the J.F.K. killing, than Trump has claiming he won the election and there is fraud.

Here's your killer... Notice the handgun on his hip he used to murder the Dallas Police Officer. 

Jackie Kennedy believed LBJ had JFK killed, as part of a larger conspiracy for him to become President.  She says on tape she believed it was planned by LBJ and other Texas tycoons.
 

Apparently Johnson believed he wouldn’t even be on the ticket for the 1964 re-election bid, and the sole purpose of the trip to Dallas was for Kennedy to mend fences between the Democratic governor and senator — an assignment already given to LBJ, that he failed.

He just happened to turn down the street right past where a psycho that wanted to kill him worked ? 

It was the Dominion Voter machines programmed by Hugo Chavez.  McNabb was involved.

10 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

It was the Dominion Voter machines programmed by Hugo Chavez.  McNabb was involved.

Is that why the first shot hit the dirt? 

Don't know if this was posted yet here, but how can you not have the Zapruder film in here -- damn, 19 seconds in, his head explodes while his wife is leaning in to check him from the first shot.  Can't imagine the shock she went thru with that gore.

 

17 hours ago, Toty said:

Well... if Jackie said it - that's a different story!

Someone should investigate!

Has anyone looked into this?

What are they waiting for?

She would have a more informed opinion than you or I, buddy.

20 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

He just happened to turn down the street right past where a psycho that wanted to kill him worked ? 

I guess the lone wolf theorists would refer to it as a crime of opportunity; not premeditated until Oswald became aware of the motorcade route published in the newspaper a couple of days before the shooting.  That assertion makes a few suppositions:

— Oswald had sufficient motive or hatred of JFK to decide on short notice the assassination should be carried out.  No evidence exists of this

— the existence of Jack Ruby representing another lone wolf, who decided without motivation to execute an assassin and spend the rest of his life in prison 

— that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated 5 years later for completely unrelated reasons

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I guess the lone wolf theorists would refer to it as a crime of opportunity; not premeditated until Oswald became aware of the motorcade route published in the newspaper a couple of days before the shooting.  That assertion makes a few suppositions:

— Oswald had sufficient motive or hatred of JFK to decide on short notice the assassination should be carried out.  No evidence exists of this

— the existence of Jack Ruby representing another lone wolf, who decided without motivation to execute an assassin and spend the rest of his life in prison 

— that Bobby Kennedy was assassinated 5 years later for completely unrelated reasons

There's too many coincidences for me to believe Oswald just said F it now is my chance. I know he was the lone shooter, but I do think others played a role in setting this up. 

11 minutes ago, Toty said:

Fine - so don't take my comments as sarcasm then.

How long ago were her comments? 50 plus years?

Has someone checked it out?

who, then?

Whoever gained the most power and wealth as a result of it being accomplished.

19 minutes ago, Toty said:

who, then?

Not sure. Could have been the mob or LBJ. Either way I don’t think Oswald would have been able to plan it all by himself. 

1 minute ago, Toty said:

There's no need to determine what their involvement in the actual assassination was then? We just look at before and after bank balances and the one with the biggest gain is your guy?

No, and No. You're being ridiculous.

1 minute ago, Toty said:

or Cuba, or USSR, or KKK, or...

We’ll never know but I’m down to the mob and LBJ mixed together. Pretty sure that’s who RFK thought it was. 

Just now, Toty said:

I'm only going off your response. I said who? You said whoever gained the most.

So who, then? Who did it? Who's Mr. Big?

Well, since were discussing an assassination, a connection to it would be required. I don't think it's as simple as looking at personal checking account balances.

If there was a mastermind, then the most likely Suspect would have been LBJ. He and his close friends (oil men all) were free to exercise his new found power to undo Kennedy's limited approach, and ramp up US involvement in Vietnam. The profits to the oil industry were epic. My point is that while a lot more is needed to prove guilt, the circumstantial evidence suggests that LBJ is the best person to start with. 

47 minutes ago, Toty said:

No Cubans?

I don’t think so

4 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

There's too many coincidences for me to believe Oswald just said F it now is my chance. I know he was the lone shooter, but I do think others played a role in setting this up. 

Possibly, but I'm convinced there was no 2nd shooter on the Grassy Knoll. Kennedy's head wound  would be completely different from that vantage point. 

As for Motive, Oswald was a pro Castro Communist and Kennedy wasn't. He could easily be upset over the Bay of Pigs debacle and decided to retaliate. He also learned to shoot in the Marines. 

Also, let's not forget about the shooting of Officer Tippet and the attempted assassination of a Federal Judge. 

1 hour ago, Toty said:

I get it. I always have. In college (many years ago) I was in a club that studied the assassination in detail. It wasn't a casual club. We were organized into teams - everyone had their own thread to pull. We had guest experts and big folios of reports. My job was writing to police departments to inquire about mysterious "cover-up" deaths. I was only 18 but I'm still embarrassed I got into it so deeply.

This thing has been looked over and over and over. It's a snipe hunt.

The Inside The Target Car team, looked into it as well.  From Dealey Plaza and from practically every conspiratorial sniper position. We see the sniper scope vantage point from each location. Not to mention we get blood spatter evidence in the recreation. To me it's the most recent, best and clearest evidence yet, the shots came from above and behind and not the Grassy Knoll. The video changed my belief in the conspiracy. Compelling.

36 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

Possibly, but I'm convinced there was no 2nd shooter on the Grassy Knoll. Kennedy's head wound  would be completely different from that vantage point. 

As for Motive, Oswald was a pro Castro Communist and Kennedy wasn't. He could easily be upset over the Bay of Pigs debacle and decided to retaliate. He also learned to shoot in the Marines. 

Also, let's not forget about the shooting of Officer Tippet and the attempted assassination of a Federal Judge. 

Yep. He was also, and I can't stress this enough, a F'ing crazy person! Every time a crazy lunatic kills a bunch of people, there's always a mad dash to try to figure out their motive. As if simply being crazy wasn't enough on its own. 

We saw it most recently with the vegas shooter. We see it with serial killers just doing it for the thrill where there's no pattern or profile to link their victims. Military base attacks that seem to come out of nowhere with no apparent rhyme or reason. We need to stop ascribing a normal person's thought process to someone who's obviously crazy.

On 12/19/2020 at 10:42 AM, Toty said:

 

Agreed

Oswald was unbalanced, had attempted killing before, had an, albeit convoluted, axe to grind, and he had a rifle.

Then in a moment of serendipity, the motorcade route is publicly released and he sees it's going right by his work.

This isn't a "they don't JUST overcook a burger, Jerry" situation. Oswald was spun up already, and took advantage of a lucky (for him) situation. 

There just isn't a mystery 

So why did Ruby kill him? Just out of love for the Kennedy’s? 

42 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

So why did Ruby kill him? Just out of love for the Kennedy’s? 

How can you not think killing oswald was a directive?   That is the thing that always gets me 

On 12/19/2020 at 7:18 AM, 20dawk4life said:

I don’t think so

It's kind of curious that even LBJ didn't totally dismiss a conspiracy during this interview with Cronkite, after he left office.  Released after his death:

 

On 11/17/2020 at 1:34 PM, Gannan said:

So as not to pollute the election thread with our various conspiracy theories, we can talk about JFK here. As I've said before, I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy. I only believe in 2. The NBA draft lottery is rigged every year, and the CIA murdered JFK. 

The CIA had the motive and they had the ability to do so. Oswald's own mother said he was recruited by the CIA while he was in the Marines. The main evidence is Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. No regular citizen during the height of the red scare could move to the Soviet Union attempt to defect, then waltz back into the United States with his Soviet wife and daughter like nothing ever happened. Oswald was CIA all the way.

I think Boogeyman did it.

The US had a hand in it.

Those documents aren't classified for no reason. Everyone involved is dead. Except the US government.