You guys are doing it wrong. 
 

 

@EagleVA What happened to JFK? 

22 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I think for years people thought Ethel Rosenberg (who was executed by the government) was guilty.  It wasn’t until more docs came out that people started to think maybe she wasn’t.  I expect a similar course with Oswald and the JFK assassination.

Eh, not quite the same dynamic at play with Oswald though. It's pretty well established that Julius was guilty of treason beyond reasonable doubt, just as we are that Oswald pulled the trigger and ended a president's life. So even if you want to argue that Ethel was merely guilty by association, there's still plenty of evidence that she knew about her husband's dealings. Now maybe she shouldn't have been executed, but a slap on the wrist for failing to report a soviet spy isn't gonna fly either. In general, I struggle with the "I had no idea what my husband was up to" defense. I didn't buy it for the wife of the boston marathon bomber either. They knew exactly what was going on and they did nothing to stop it.

Oswald was a lone shooter and most likely a lone wolf as well.  That there has never been any sort of manifesto or solid evidence of his motive or his plan makes it interesting to speculate.  But I think he was just a radical ideologue with possible mental health issues as well.  He thought General Walker was on the same level as Adolph Hitler and he thought that Castro was a hero.  Because of all of that he could have easily been manipulated as a patsy, but I feel like that would have been a lot of effort and risk to leave killing the president in his unhinged hands and think he wouldn't spill later.  

5 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

I feel like that would have been a lot of effort and risk to leave killing the president in his unhinged hands and think he wouldn't spill later.  

Right, which is why Ruby quickly silenced him (just playing Devil's advocate here).

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Right, which is why Ruby quickly silenced him (just playing Devil's advocate here).

Ruby killed him out in the open - why would he ruin his life and/or be the same risk to whatever organization orchestrated it. 

12 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

Oswald was a lone shooter and most likely a lone wolf as well.  That there has never been any sort of manifesto or solid evidence of his motive or his plan makes it interesting to speculate.  But I think he was just a radical ideologue with possible mental health issues as well.  He thought General Walker was on the same level as Adolph Hitler and he thought that Castro was a hero.  Because of all of that he could have easily been a leader among Democrats today  

FYP 

3 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

Ruby killed him out in the open - why would he ruin his life and/or be the same risk to whatever organization orchestrated it. 

The mob was going to kill Ruby’s loved ones if he didn’t. 

1 minute ago, 20dawk4life said:

FYP 

The mob was going to kill Ruby’s loved ones if he didn’t. 

Seems pretty convoluted and still at risk for him to sing. He didn’t die until 4 years later. 

Conspiracies fall apart becomes somebody talks.

The number of people who can keep a secret is usually less than two.

1 hour ago, 20dawk4life said:

You guys are doing it wrong. 
 

 

@EagleVA What happened to JFK? 

The same thing that happened to Lincoln for the same reason.

Lincoln was killed because of his Greenbacks, Kennedy was killed because of Executive Order 11110 which was an effort stymie the Federal Reserve.

Lesson learned, don't F with their money.

Oswald assassinated JFK, but he did not act alone.  He didn't just happen to get a casual labor job at the school book depository building, and a few weeks later Kennedy rolls on past his workplace in an open limousine.  Oswald would stand on street corners handing out pamphlets calling out to anyone who would listen about 'fair play for Cuba', yet after the assassination when he is apprehended and the world media sticks a dozen microphones into his face -- he has nothing to say?

Jack Ruby also didn't just kill Oswald because he felt bad for Jackie and the kids.  He didn't get to where he was supposed to be at the police station basement because it took him too long to set up his alibi -- so police delayed moving Oswald into the basement until Ruby was in position.

LBJ knew Kennedy would be killed before it happened, and it was LBJ who handpicked every member of the Warren Commission.  It was a political assassination, and the worst part is that it was likely people in his own political party.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Oswald assassinated JFK, but he did not act alone.  He didn't just happen to get a casual labor job at the school book depository building, and a few weeks later Kennedy rolls on past his workplace in an open limousine.  Oswald would stand on street corners handing out pamphlets calling out to anyone who would listen about 'fair play for Cuba', yet after the assassination when he is apprehended and the world media sticks a dozen microphones into his face -- he has nothing to say?

Jack Ruby also didn't just kill Oswald because he felt bad for Jackie and the kids.  He didn't get to where he was supposed to be at the police station basement because it took him too long to set up his alibi -- so police delayed moving Oswald into the basement until Ruby was in position.

LBJ knew Kennedy would be killed before it happened, and it was LBJ who handpicked every member of the Warren Commission.  It was a political assassination, and the worst part is that it was likely people in his own political party.

Everything about his assassination and  more so what happened afterwards is fishy.  If a conspiracy it was done very well though.  
 

something was off about Oswalds demeanor that’s for sure.  

 Ruby

.the kill shot being so on the money (wouldnt it be soo much harder to hit a bulls eye on a rushed second shot?)

it all stinks.  But that doesnt prove anything.  None of it is impossible. Just really improbable   

30 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Everything about his assassination and  more so what happened afterwards is fishy.  If a conspiracy it was done very well though.  
 

something was off about Oswalds demeanor that’s for sure.  

 Ruby

.the kill shot being so on the money (wouldnt it be soo much harder to hit a bulls eye on a rushed second shot?)

it all stinks.  But that doesnt prove anything.  None of it is impossible. Just really improbable   

Yup.  I left out the other part that bugs me about Oswald; he apparently planned out everything up to and including the assassination to precision, and even left the scene without being detected by police.  Then after getting his gun at his boarding house he has absolutely no plan of escape?  
 

It could be he got left holding the bag by someone, which might explain his ‘patsy’ comment 

I blame McNabb.

@Mlodj come on man

Without a doubt the Eagles suck if this is the new hot thread.

Elvis killed JFK after fighting over Marylin 

Also, if you have ever had to deal with the mentally ill - there is no talking to them sometimes and their motives don't even make sense to them, let alone you.

9 hours ago, NOTW said:

I blame McNabb.

@Mlodj come on man

Damnit. I was about to say we have all these replies, and no one yet has stated the obvious. 

One thing is clear fom "Inside the Target Car" the trajectory of the bullet from a Grassy Knoll shooter doesn't match with the wounds, or the blood splatter in the car, but the Trajectory of the bullet from 6th floor school book depository bldg. matches both perfectly. That's a fact that can't be disputed.

Now, I can't say if Oswald was wroking with the Mob or under the Control of the CIA but I believe both were looked into and nothing concrete was found.

He got his job at the book depository through a friend of his wife Marina, after a series of failed attempts at securing other jobs recent to that one because he had no good references.    He wasn't even living with Marina at the time - she kicked him out for being abusive and generally a nut job who tried to bring a gun to Nixon rally and convince her to help him hijack a plane to Cuba.  I highly doubt she helped him secure a job to assist in an assassination attempt after rejecting him over all of his other hairbrained, dangerous and criminal ideas.  He wasn't even going to be at the Dealey Plaza location until his boss decided at the last minute he needed extra help at that one. Oswald was an aggressively angry and violent man who had tried other assassination attempts on people who had nothing to do with Kennedy - he finally got to execute on one of his plans - he was dangerous and was going to succeed at some point - unfortunately for our country he succeeded that day.

17 minutes ago, binkybink77 said:

He got his job at the book depository through a friend of his wife Marina, after a series of failed attempts at securing other jobs recent to that one because he had no good references.    He wasn't even living with Marina at the time - she kicked him out for being abusive and generally a nut job who tried to bring a gun to Nixon rally and convince her to help him hijack a plane to Cuba.  I highly doubt she helped him secure a job to assist in an assassination attempt after rejecting him over all of his other hairbrained, dangerous and criminal ideas.  He wasn't even going to be at the Dealey Plaza location until his boss decided at the last minute he needed extra help at that one. Oswald was an aggressively angry and violent man who had tried other assassination attempts on people who had nothing to do with Kennedy - he finally got to execute on one of his plans - he was dangerous and was going to succeed at some point - unfortunately for our country he succeeded that day.

Yes, I aslo recall he attempted to murder Edwin Walker. His wife claimed he told her about it.

On the evening of 10 April 1963, Edwin Walker, a former Army general, was sitting in his study when a bullet entered his house through a window frame and struck the wall close to his head.

17 hours ago, Toastrel said:

Also, if you have ever had to deal with the mentally ill - there is no talking to them sometimes and their motives don't even make sense to them, let alone you.

Well we post in CVON so...

Was the shot sequence as follows?:

1st shot hit

2nd shot hit and kill shot

No other shots

?

49 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

Was the shot sequence as follows?:

1st shot hit

2nd shot hit and kill shot

No other shots

?

Pretty sure at least one missed

On 11/17/2020 at 6:24 PM, Alphagrand said:

Oswald assassinated JFK, but he did not act alone.  He didn't just happen to get a casual labor job at the school book depository building, and a few weeks later Kennedy rolls on past his workplace in an open limousine.  Oswald would stand on street corners handing out pamphlets calling out to anyone who would listen about 'fair play for Cuba', yet after the assassination when he is apprehended and the world media sticks a dozen microphones into his face -- he has nothing to say?

Jack Ruby also didn't just kill Oswald because he felt bad for Jackie and the kids.  He didn't get to where he was supposed to be at the police station basement because it took him too long to set up his alibi -- so police delayed moving Oswald into the basement until Ruby was in position.

LBJ knew Kennedy would be killed before it happened, and it was LBJ who handpicked every member of the Warren Commission.  It was a political assassination, and the worst part is that it was likely people in his own political party.

LBJ could have easily been working with the CIA. This is congruent with my theory. 

For those of you who believe there was no conspiracy, what's your position on RFK? This was just one huge coincidence? This is one of those rare exceptions where the conspiracy is vastly more plausible. 

30 minutes ago, Gannan said:

For those of you who believe there was no conspiracy, what's your position on RFK? This was just one huge coincidence? This is one of those rare exceptions where the conspiracy is vastly more plausible. 

Don't know much about that one. Just that it was at a campaign event and sirhan sirhan was part of that kitchen staff and apparently was full blown crazy. Hearing voices in his head that told him to do it or some such. Apparently security back in those days wasn't as strict for something like that to have happened