Just now, Swoop said:

I understand that, but my point is drafting a QB doesn't negate also building the team.

Industry professionals aren't going to agree with his take that there is no talent in the draft at QB.  It's not a deep pool, but there are several.  That makes your point very valid.

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I understand that, but my point is drafting a QB doesn't negate also building the team.

And I don't disagree with that especially given how things are currently looking in terms of high draft picks. 

Last week, against Dallas, was one of the worst games an NFL QB ever had. He bounced backed good against KC who has a bad defense. I see that as a positive. 

The offense was catered to his skill set this week. Keep it simple. Keep it short. Last week it wasn't. 

 

Jalen Hurts is a Rodney Peete that can move. That's who reminds me of. Up and down, week to week. 

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Industry professionals aren't going to agree with his take that there is no talent in the draft at QB.  It's not a deep pool, but there are several.  That makes your point very valid.

People saying this years class isn't good or calling them bust either don't watch college football or disregard them because they don't like them as a person. Carroll, Rattler, Wills, Strong, Howell. There's still plenty of games left for these guys to prove they're worthy of a high pick and to get better. Like you said, it isn't a deep class but there are guys that are good. This argument of "it isn't a strong qb class don't draft one" is ridiculous 

1 hour ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Somewhere, someone has to make a determination of where he can take them this coming offseason.  Invest this year in it and then make the call and live with it. If he can be the face of the franchise, super bowl contending QB, go forward.  If he can't ultimately meet those obligations, then make the move.  The worst place in the NFL is being a 7 to 9 win team with a mediocre drafting GM. That's a slow death and I think Hurts puts the Eagles in that position in a year or two.  

I saw some potential yesterday, but also some challenges that don't seem to change.  He racked up a bunch of yards, but faltered in the red zone and we lost.  But, the question remains "Can he put the team over the top and win a Super Bowl?".  That win can happen in several models, but that has to be the measurement.

How much of that is on play calling?

If you watch almost every other team in the league, they at least run the ball when in the red zone. The Eagles just kept throwing. The one time they did run, they scored.

I thought Hurts played well. I want to see how he does on the road against a much better defense in Carolina this week. 

20 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

How much of that is on play calling?

If you watch almost every other team in the league, they at least run the ball when in the red zone. The Eagles just kept throwing. The one time they did run, they scored.

I thought Hurts played well. I want to see how he does on the road against a much better defense in Carolina this week. 

I don't know, but they trust him to throw the ball there.  He flat overthrew Ertz early and penalties killed a score.  

On 9/30/2021 at 10:31 PM, wtfcares said:

That’s exactly what you implied. The guy was saying it would take Hurts years to change his instincts and you said:
 

It's literally how coaching works. In 3 months time a decent muay thai or boxing coach will literally alter almost every defensive instinct you have. 

If a Muay Thai coach can literally alter almost every defensive instinct you have in 3 months according to you, then in relation you’re saying it’s really up to the coach not the athlete and theoretically a good coach can alter and improve Hurts QB instincts very quickly. If what you say is true, then every good coach should theoretically be able to alter their QBs instincts to be great pretty quickly and all good coaches should have QBs with great instincts. Except most of them don’t. Unless you think most of the coaches in the league suck. 

No. That isn't how the Enlgish language works. I responded to a comment saying that it was hard to alter those types of instinct in an athlete, and I pointed out that it's not in fact, that hard. You attempted to childishly turn it into a definitive and universal blanket statement across-the-board that I said athletes have no responsibility, and that's not the case. Do better.

On 10/1/2021 at 9:28 AM, greend said:

Coach: Jalen look at your first read and if it isn't open run like hell.

Jalen: Yes coach

 

 

 Are you Jalen's mom?

Did Jalen F your girlfriend?

On 10/1/2021 at 9:30 AM, greend said:

Unless of course you have been practicing "muay thai" your entire life and should already know the basics. Besides wtf does that have to do with football?

Jalen hasn't been practicing reading NFL defenses his entire life, or anything close to it, nor has he been asked a single time in his pre NFL career to play football like that. 

58 minutes ago, highboy said:

Did Jalen F your girlfriend?

No he didn't, Mrs. Hurts

56 minutes ago, highboy said:

Jalen hasn't been practicing reading NFL defenses his entire life, or anything close to it, nor has he been asked a single time in his pre NFL career to play football like that. 

Reaaaaach, he's played football his whole life. Do you think teaching him to go through progressions is something they only teach in the NFL,  Mrs Hurts?

2 hours ago, 700Level4Life said:

Last week, against Dallas, was one of the worst games an NFL QB ever had. He bounced backed good against KC who has a bad defense. I see that as a positive. 

The offense was catered to his skill set this week. Keep it simple. Keep it short. Last week it wasn't. 

 

Jalen Hurts is a Rodney Peete that can move. That's who reminds me of. Up and down, week to week. 

I’m not sure if I’m ready to say what Hurts is considering he hasn’t even had a full season under his belt yet so he’s still learning the NFL game, but I will state you can win with Rodney Peete as long as you build a solid team around him. The best case scenario is for Hurts to be good enough to be an NFL starting caliber quarterback for the Eagles so they can use all of their draft collateral to pick some talent around him, because they’re stuck in a lot of bad contracts with older players. 

 

Andy said he was impressed with Jalen and that Eagles Fans should be patient like they were with him and Mcnabb in 99.   

24 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m not sure if I’m ready to say what Hurts is considering he hasn’t even had a full season under his belt yet so he’s still learning the NFL game, but I will state you can win with Rodney Peete as long as you build a solid team around him. The best case scenario is for Hurts to be good enough to be an NFL starting caliber quarterback for the Eagles so they can use all of their draft collateral to pick some talent around him, because they’re stuck in a lot of bad contracts with older players. 

I agree. Peete was a serviceable QB. That's what I'm I'm seeing in Hurts. Now if there's a better QB out there, go for it, but hopefully the front office upgrades the defense next off-season. I don't want to overreach to grab a QB if Hurts is getting it done. He responded really well against a reeling KC defense. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, 700Level4Life said:

I agree. Peete was a serviceable QB. That's what I'm I'm seeing in Hurts. Now if there's a better QB out there, go for it, but hopefully the front office upgrades the defense next off-season. I don't want to overreach to grab a QB if Hurts is getting it done. He responded really well against a reeling KC defense. 

 

 

that's how we should built this team in next year's draft, just draft players that have talent and not reaching for qbs every year that arent good. that's why the jets and jags are a mess and the browns were bad for over ten years, they keep reaching for qbs and not focus on the rest of the roster.

As I mentioned multiple times yesterday, but so many were to quick to discount.

He's only 8 games in, give the kid some time...

I'm not sure exactly what he can be going forward, but drafting a QB or throwing away all of our draft picks for a trade of Watson, Rodgers or Wilson would be criminally negligent. 

Our offense has some serious firepower now, but it's time to completely rebuilt our defense from scratch. 

3 minutes ago, toughfighter83 said:

that's how we should built this team in next year's draft, just draft players that have talent and not reaching for qbs every year that arent good. that's why the jets and jags are a mess and the browns were bad for over ten years, they keep reaching for qbs and not focus on the rest of the roster.

The Bucs won the Super Bowl because they added Brady, but they have been bad for so long they were able to also build up the roster talent. Guys like Brady, Prescott, Brees, and others show that teams don’t need to be QB thirsty to win in the NFL. Build a talented roster and the team will win. The Eagles didn’t win the Super Bowl, because Foles was elite. They had a balanced and deep roster. They were a top five defense and a top five run offense. Yes they absolutely got exceptional quarterback play that year also, but those quarterbacks also showed that the players around them were able to make plays and it carried them through the playoff. Build a talented roster and everything else will come to pass. Desean Watson last year put up great numbers for the Texans and he won as many games as the Eagles did. Contrary to the belief of some a team needs more than just a quarterback.

2 minutes ago, Birdman said:

As I mentioned multiple times yesterday, but so many were to quick to discount.

He's only 8 games in, give the kid some time...

I'm not sure exactly what he can be going forward, but drafting a QB or throwing away all of our draft picks for a trade of Watson, Rodgers or Wilson would be criminally negligent. 

Our offense has some serious firepower now, but it's time to completely rebuilt our defense from scratch. 

I will add that if Hurts shows to be the guy then the Eagles basically have Minshew and Hurts on very team friendly 2022 contracts. That can only help with the development of the team.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Because I don't believe any of the QBs in next years draft are going to be stars in the NFL. That's just my opinion. 

It's really too early to say that with any certainty. Zach Wilson wasn't seen as a top 5 pick at the start of last college season, and look how that turned out. You will always have a QB or 2 who has a better than expected college season and goes from an unknown to a high projected pick. 

Anyway, regarding Hurts, I think right now it's 50/50 whether he can be the guy. He's had some highs and lows, but I think he's shown enough flashes to think he COULD be the guy. Lots of games left for him to either cement himself as the future starter or to show that he just doesn't have it.

Personally, I thought he had a really good game against KC. Forget the final stats, which I know were aided by garbage time. Throughout the game I thought he generally made the right decisions, and threw accurate passes. Sure, he missed a few throws, just as all QBs do, but overall his ball placement yesterday was very good. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I will add that if Hurts shows to be the guy then the Eagles basically have Minshew and Hurts on very team friendly 2022 contracts. That can only help with the development of the team.

That really would be a huge advantage … they could finally get fully out of this salary cap hole they’ve been trying to dig themselves out of and use all that premium draft capital to fortify the roster with elite prospects at numerous positions in need of a talent infusion (in particular on defense).  

I jumped on him early after I saw more overthrows, under throws , a hard missile bullet when a guy was 1 foot from him. Then he went on to have a pretty good game. Patience isn't MY virtue. I am trying to give him some time. The D?? I'm already turning on Gannon. He is lost. Looks completely clueless running a defense in the NFL the last 2 games. What happened? The 1st 2 games weren't too shabby. Damn, I miss JJ- I never got over him and his D style.

6 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

I jumped on him early after I saw more overthrows, under throws , a hard missile bullet when a guy was 1 foot from him. Then he went on to have a pretty good game. Patience isn't MY virtue. I am trying to give him some time. The D?? I'm already turning on Gannon. He is lost. Looks completely clueless running a defense in the NFL the last 2 games. What happened? The 1st 2 hames weren't too shabby. Damn, I miss JJ- I never got over him and his D style.

Truth is most young players will have up and down moments. It’s up to the coaches to put those players in better positions to succeed, and right now I wonder if Sirianni is doing that. Putting Hurts in a position where he’s responsible for over 400 yards of offense when he’s basically a rookie just doesn’t feel right, but the fact that they are doing it means they think very highly of him as a player organizationally. 

So far too much improvisation along with happy feat and problems to make his reads...but that is nothing new right?...otherwise when he actually throws it doesn't look that bad abd ye...he is still a rookie

46 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

I jumped on him early after I saw more overthrows, under throws , a hard missile bullet when a guy was 1 foot from him. Then he went on to have a pretty good game. Patience isn't MY virtue. I am trying to give him some time. The D?? I'm already turning on Gannon. He is lost. Looks completely clueless running a defense in the NFL the last 2 games. What happened? The 1st 2 hames weren't too shabby. Damn, I miss JJ- I never got over him and his D style.

The biggest issue with the defense is they are TOO focused on not giving up the big play. They just allow teams to dink and dunk their way down the field and score. The run defense is embarrassing. Before the ball is even snapped you can tell that a hand-off up the middle is going to be a nice gain because you can see where there's gaping holes in the middle of the defense due to the pre-snap alignment.

Hope he continues to progress. If he continues to play as he did in the first four games, I'm more inclined to stick with him for another year and spend the high picks on infusing the team with more talent. Of course, that is reliant on Howie actually drafting good players with the high picks.

This coming draft class doesn't have the QB pedigree of the past two years, but has good talent on top with positions the Eagles will need. OL, DE, and in the secondary.

2 hours ago, greend said:

No he didn't, Mrs. Hurts

Reaaaaach, he's played football his whole life. Do you think teaching him to go through progressions is something they only teach in the NFL,  Mrs Hurts?

Pretty much. Yes. You're dismissed. Sorry Jalen stole your girl. Probably wouldn't have Fed you anyway.