1 hour ago, nipples said:

It's really too early to say that with any certainty. Zach Wilson wasn't seen as a top 5 pick at the start of last college season, and look how that turned out. You will always have a QB or 2 who has a better than expected college season and goes from an unknown to a high projected pick. 

I mean I know it is early days but he's not off to a great start. I know the circumstances aren't ideal for him either but still. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean I know it is early days but he's not off to a great start. I know the circumstances aren't ideal for him either but still. 

That franchise is just a train-wreck right now. Sam Darnold last year finished with a 72.7 QB rating... 4 games into this season with a new team and he's at 95.4. Wilson hasn't been stellar by any means, but I think he's shown some good things considering the dogshit that he's working with as a rookie. He had a nice bounce back game yesterday.

2 hours ago, nipples said:

The biggest issue with the defense is they are TOO focused on not giving up the big play. They just allow teams to dink and dunk their way down the field and score. The run defense is embarrassing. Before the ball is even snapped you can tell that a hand-off up the middle is going to be a nice gain because you can see where there's gaping holes in the middle of the defense due to the pre-snap alignment.

I like an attacking defense, not a constant prevent. EVERYONE- except some NFL D coords, knows a prevent D... prevents you from winning the game. 

10 hours ago, nipples said:

Before the ball is even snapped you can tell that a hand-off up the middle is going to be a nice gain because you can see where there's gaping holes in the middle of the defense due to the pre-snap alignment.

And this is where you LBs come into play, unfortunately we don't have any LBs.

Stats

Player  -  Passer Rating - Rushing Yards

Jalen Hurts 2021 - 101.1 - 226
Jalen Hurts 2020 - 77.6 - 354
Trevor Lawrence - 66.4 - 82
Zach Wilson - 62.8 - 19
Justin Fields - 53.9 - 55
Trey Lance - 121.1 - 44
 
For a still a rookie QB,  Hurts is doing a good job.   It looks like the rookies that were drafted high this year aren't doing so well.  Lance seems to be, but the other 3 not so much.

Hurts is on the team,  costs nothing additional to get him,  and is cheap and will be cheap until the end of 2023.  Really cheap QBs seem better to have than really expensive QBs,  even if it's the same player. 

I'd think that for 2022,  maybe the Eagles don't have Flacco?  Maybe the Eagles draft another running QB,  not on day 1,  preferably day 3.

These 3 QBs I was watching going into the season.

Desmond Ridder - Cincinnati  (4-0 AP5) - 162.2 - 98

Malik Willis - Liberty (4-1)    - 191.7 - 418

D'eriq King - Miami (2-3)       - 120.8 = 96

Quick look at those stats says King would likely be the cheapest.  Day 3 or udfa.

The Eagles should also get a running back who weighs more than Jalen Hurts.  Someone good at short yardage rushing.  Let's say he's a day 3 pick as well.

Looking at NCAA rushing stats.   3 more QBs jump out.   Emory Jones Florida,  Christian Anderson Army, Adrian Martinez Nebraska.  All with over 400 rushing yards so far.

Hard to find rushing yards + weight on the same page.   Brian Robinson Jr.  Alabama has 379 yards and is 228 pounds.  There are others.   Roschon Johnson, Texas  QB/RB 6'2 223.
 

11 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Stats

Player  -  Passer Rating - Rushing Yards

Jalen Hurts 2021 - 101.1 - 226
Jalen Hurts 2020 - 77.6 - 354
Trevor Lawrence - 66.4 - 82
Zach Wilson - 62.8 - 19
Justin Fields - 53.9 - 55
Trey Lance - 121.1 - 44

QBR

Lance 57.7 ( not enough passes to qualify to be ranked )

Hurts 2021 - 38.5 ( 27th )

Lawrence - 36.3 ( 29th )

Hurts 2020 - 33.8

Wilson - 25.0 ( 30th )

Fields - 16.9 ( 32nd )

Hurts is not the QB to lead this team pass this season .

9 hours ago, rickospia said:

Hurts is not the QB to lead this team pass this season .

Then who is bud? I'm not saying Hurts is the long term answer (at this point it is still too early to determine either way) but who would you bring in?

https://sports.yahoo.com/10-eagles-qb-jalen-hurts-182533024.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
 

Hurts is piling up the stats early in his career. Some of the things he’s doing is putting him in some surprising company and it’s funny cause he’s only a "running back.” 😂🤣🤣

15 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Stats

Player  -  Passer Rating - Rushing Yards

Jalen Hurts 2021 - 101.1 - 226
Jalen Hurts 2020 - 77.6 - 354
Trevor Lawrence - 66.4 - 82
Zach Wilson - 62.8 - 19
Justin Fields - 53.9 - 55
Trey Lance - 121.1 - 44
 
For a still a rookie QB,  Hurts is doing a good job.   It looks like the rookies that were drafted high this year aren't doing so well.  Lance seems to be, but the other 3 not so much.

Hurts is on the team,  costs nothing additional to get him,  and is cheap and will be cheap until the end of 2023.  Really cheap QBs seem better to have than really expensive QBs,  even if it's the same player. 

I'd think that for 2022,  maybe the Eagles don't have Flacco?  Maybe the Eagles draft another running QB,  not on day 1,  preferably day 3.

These 3 QBs I was watching going into the season.

Desmond Ridder - Cincinnati  (4-0 AP5) - 162.2 - 98

Malik Willis - Liberty (4-1)    - 191.7 - 418

D'eriq King - Miami (2-3)       - 120.8 = 96

Quick look at those stats says King would likely be the cheapest.  Day 3 or udfa.

The Eagles should also get a running back who weighs more than Jalen Hurts.  Someone good at short yardage rushing.  Let's say he's a day 3 pick as well.

Looking at NCAA rushing stats.   3 more QBs jump out.   Emory Jones Florida,  Christian Anderson Army, Adrian Martinez Nebraska.  All with over 400 rushing yards so far.

Hard to find rushing yards + weight on the same page.   Brian Robinson Jr.  Alabama has 379 yards and is 228 pounds.  There are others.   Roschon Johnson, Texas  QB/RB 6'2 223.
 

Malik Willis is on course to be one of the first QB's off the board so will cost one of the firsts and you'll forgive me if I don't jump at the prospect of an FBS level Dual Threat QB. Ridder and King can't run against decent defenses, King can't throw the ball that well either, no thanks.

Emory Jones is never going to be an NFL QB he's in his only season as starter and he's got more picks than TD's, Christian Anderson is a back up NCAA QB and Martinez would need to be lights out this season to be worth even a late round pick, he's a turnover machine.

Roschon Johnson has one outlier game where he averaged 37.3 yards a carry that massively skews his YPC.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Then who is bud? I'm not saying Hurts is the long term answer (at this point it is still too early to determine either way) but who would you bring in?

They will not bring anyone in Minshew is the next man up . If HURTS fails they will draft  a QB !

Just putting it out there that Hurts has statistically been having a better season than Wentz through 4 games. 
 

Wentz:  920 yards, 63.8% completions, 5TD, 1 INT, 92.1 rating

Hurts: 1167 yards, 66.2% completions, 7 TD, 2 INT, 101.1 rating

Just throwing it out there because I know there’s a lot of people getting on Hurts saying he’s definitely not the answer, and I know some of those same people are still Wentz fanboys. 

29 minutes ago, rickospia said:

They will not bring anyone in Minshew is the next man up . If HURTS fails they will draft  a QB !

And there's the issue... The QBs in next year's draft don't look great. Sure that can change but I wouldn't want us to push the panic button on a QB.

43 minutes ago, nipples said:

Just putting it out there that Hurts has statistically been having a better season than Wentz through 4 games. 
 

Wentz:  920 yards, 63.8% completions, 5TD, 1 INT, 92.1 rating

Hurts: 1167 yards, 66.2% completions, 7 TD, 2 INT, 101.1 rating

Just throwing it out there because I know there’s a lot of people getting on Hurts saying he’s definitely not the answer, and I know some of those same people are still Wentz fanboys. 

Wentz apologist who are still butthurt their god is gone. They’re legit Cults fans. 😂

55 minutes ago, nipples said:

Just putting it out there that Hurts has statistically been having a better season than Wentz through 4 games. 
 

Wentz:  920 yards, 63.8% completions, 5TD, 1 INT, 92.1 rating

Hurts: 1167 yards, 66.2% completions, 7 TD, 2 INT, 101.1 rating

Just throwing it out there because I know there’s a lot of people getting on Hurts saying he’s definitely not the answer, and I know some of those same people are still Wentz fanboys. 

On top of that, you have to consider leadership skills and rushing yards, which widens the gap even more.

9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Wentz apologist who are still butthurt their god is gone. They’re legit Cults fans. 😂

I’m just tired of the "can’t throw” nonsense. Yes, he has missed some throws but he’s also made plenty of great throws. It’s too soon to say that he can’t become more consistent with more experience. 
 

Anyway, I’m not sold on Hurts being the long term answer but I’m not ready to say that he isn’t. He’s done enough good to ride it out and make a judgement at the end of the year. 

7 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m just tired of the "can’t throw” nonsense. Yes, he has missed some throws but he’s also made plenty of great throws. It’s too soon to say that he can’t become more consistent with more experience. 
 

Anyway, I’m not sold on Hurts being the long term answer but I’m not ready to say that he isn’t. He’s done enough good to ride it out and make a judgement at the end of the year. 

I don’t see how anyone can have a dead set opinion of Hurts either way right now. It’s just too soon to tell. Bottom line is he’s going to play and the Wince whiners need to just suck it up and accept it. If Wince were here with a passer rating over 100 they whiners should be blaming everyone but him for the team losing. Oh by the way that exactly what they’re doing right now for the Cults. He had an offensive line on par with what Carson had last year; last week and he performed fine. Anyone blaming him or attempting to blame him for that loss is a dope. Could Hurts be better? Of course he could, but if people stopped for a moment to think about it rather than just trash the guy they would realize for as bad as he’s supposedly is, he’s actually doing pretty good. 

1 hour ago, rickospia said:

They will not bring anyone in Minshew is the next man up . If HURTS fails they will draft  a QB !

There is nothing in the 2022 college draft worth a # 1 as far as a QB goes. This year is about seeing what Hurts really is and if the new coaches are ready for their roles. Gannon looks lost, Siri is iffy, etc, but it's a long season. We all have to eat "Let's find out what we have" stew all year. Patience is required, and not a lot us Eagles fans have that quality, me included, at the top of the list. But here is where patience can pay off.

Example: I watched Hurts throw some ugly passes early in the game, blasted him here with a nasty post, calmed down, deleted it and said to myself "try to relax and give him a chance- it's early." He went on to make some seriously good, big time NFL throws to make up for those weak throws. Impatience was wrong, patience proved to be right. It's hard for me (and a ton of others), but that's the way it's going to be this year. I'm trying to back this guy. Trying, I say.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/10-eagles-qb-jalen-hurts-182533024.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
 

Hurts is piling up the stats early in his career. Some of the things he’s doing is putting him in some surprising company and it’s funny cause he’s only a "running back.” 😂🤣🤣

 

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Then who is bud? I'm not saying Hurts is the long term answer (at this point it is still too early to determine either way) but who would you bring in?

 

32 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m just tired of the "can’t throw” nonsense. Yes, he has missed some throws but he’s also made plenty of great throws. It’s too soon to say that he can’t become more consistent with more experience. 
 

Anyway, I’m not sold on Hurts being the long term answer but I’m not ready to say that he isn’t. He’s done enough good to ride it out and make a judgement at the end of the year. 

I hate how everyone jumps on a missed pass or a bad decision, acting like every other good QB in the league doesn’t make a mistake.

He has looked really good at times and made some great throws in tight windows. 
 

He’s already improved a lot over last year and there is no reason he can’t continue to grow.

He hasn’t shown he is the guy yet (and I wouldn’t expect that after 4 games) but he has shown enough that he still might be the guy and that’s as good as we can hope for right now.

1 hour ago, nipples said:

Just putting it out there that Hurts has statistically been having a better season than Wentz through 4 games. 
 

Wentz:  920 yards, 63.8% completions, 5TD, 1 INT, 92.1 rating

Hurts: 1167 yards, 66.2% completions, 7 TD, 2 INT, 101.1 rating

Just throwing it out there because I know there’s a lot of people getting on Hurts saying he’s definitely not the answer, and I know some of those same people are still Wentz fanboys. 

Paired with a rookie HC.. not too bad.

1 hour ago, Talonblood said:

There is nothing in the 2022 college draft worth a # 1 as far as a QB goes. This year is about seeing what Hurts really is and if the new coaches are ready for their roles. Gannon looks lost, Siri is iffy, etc, but it's a long season. We all have to eat "Let's find out what we have" stew all year. Patience is required, and not a lot us Eagles fans have that quality, me included, at the top of the list. But here is where patience can pay off.

Example: I watched Hurts throw some ugly passes early in the game, blasted him here with a nasty post, calmed down, deleted it and said to myself "try to relax and give him a chance- it's early." He went on to make some seriously good, big time NFL throws to make up for those weak throws. Impatience was wrong, patience proved to be right. It's hard for me (and a ton of others), but that's the way it's going to be this year. I'm trying to back this guy. Trying, I say.

I back Hurts but the time will come for Minshew if Hurts plays bad that is all I am saying.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I hate how everyone jumps on a missed pass or a bad decision, acting like every other good QB in the league doesn’t make a mistake.

It's all to do with which side of the fence you sit I guess. There are those who don't think Hurts is going to succeed so they'll see the faults. There are those that think he can succeed so they'll overlook those faults and mistakes. 

What I don't think is fair is how it seems around the league he's expected to perform like a veteran when actually he doesn't have much more experience than the rookies this year. 

I'm so confused that everyone refers to Hurts as a rookie QB.  Can we appeal to the NFL and add an extra year onto his contract?

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It's all to do with which side of the fence you sit I guess. There are those who don't think Hurts is going to succeed so they'll see the faults. There are those that think he can succeed so they'll overlook those faults and mistakes. 

What I don't think is fair is how it seems around the league he's expected to perform like a veteran when actually he doesn't have much more experience than the rookies this year. 

That's because he is falling into the Nick Foles category.... When he is good he is really good and when he is bad he looks like he never played a game in his life . 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It's all to do with which side of the fence you sit I guess. There are those who don't think Hurts is going to succeed so they'll see the faults. There are those that think he can succeed so they'll overlook those faults and mistakes. 

What I don't think is fair is how it seems around the league he's expected to perform like a veteran when actually he doesn't have much more experience than the rookies this year. 

There is a stigma and bias towards the player that clearly wasn’t placed on the previous quarterback who couldn’t stay healthy, rarely won against upper echelon teams, cried his way out of town, and never won a playoff game. People gave that dude all kinds of leeway even before his best season. Heck they gave that guy more leeway than 27-2/HOF/SB MVP Foles.