I was rooting for him until today. He really stank it up out there.
If he stinks next week they need to see what Minshew has.
To see if either one is even worthy of being a back-up,
or what it is we have in the QB room.

4 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

He just isn't at the level yet where he can win you games with his arm. That's an issue in the NFL, especially against any team which is above average. We just haven't played those teams in quite a while so the last few weeks have been somewhat of fools gold. It came crashing today against another pretty bad team.

Exactly. Teams are going to try and shut down the run as they tried yesterday. Sure we still rushed for 200 yards but overall I think they managed Hurts well and Hurts was having a really bad passing day which he's going to have because he's not a true passer.

Hurts will probably light the world on fire against the Jets before he returns to trash against Washington

Hurts is a developing player and this is to be expected occasionally. It’s a shame he basically has on target he can truly count on though. 

He sucks

35 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts is a developing player and this is to be expected occasionally. It’s a shame he basically has on target he can truly count on though. 

The problem with a team full of young players is that they are all developing --- and at different rates. 

He has Smith who is open more often than not. He has a top Oline and a great run game

His struggles are his own

11 hours ago, NOTW said:

Right now looks like a placeholder waiting for the long term answer.

 

7 hours ago, eaglegenius said:

I was rooting for him until today. He really stank it up out there.
If he stinks next week they need to see what Minshew has.
To see if either one is even worthy of being a back-up,
or what it is we have in the QB room.

 

35 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts is a developing player and this is to be expected occasionally. It’s a shame he basically has on target he can truly count on though. 

It is very possible that Hurts isn’t the guy, I fully accept that.

But all QBs have bad games. The idea of giving up on him if he has one more and turning to Minshew is just plain wrong.

As bad as he was we win that game if Ward and Reagor don’t drop very catchable TDS.

Let’s see how he responds over the next five games

 

14 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He has Smith who is open more often than not. He has a top Oline and a great run game

His struggles are his own

The only question I have is the play design, it could be that the play design isn't an issue and it's his cognition of the plays, all I know is on well designed pass plays the QB shouldn't be looking to find someone open on damn near every pass play......this could be on the QB and/or receivers. 

15 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

The only question I have is the play design, it could be that the play design isn't an issue and it's his cognition of the plays, all I know is on well designed pass plays the QB shouldn't be looking to find someone open on damn near every pass play......this could be on the QB and/or receivers. 

That is exactly my problem with people saying that they are watching the All 22 and they can see WRs wide open. Do we know if the scheme was for that WR? Do we know if the play was called to only go to one or two targets before leaving the pocket? Do we know if that target might have been the 4th or 5th option in the progression and the oline already broke down by then? Do we know if the WR just ran the wrong route, wasnt in the place where he was suppose to be and that is why he is so open?

We really have no idea at all, yet want to act like experts on this.

 

I get why people say he’s developmental QB. But I see no development in him going through the checks and taking the easy completions, or with his hesitations or with his poor deep ball. You’d think he’d show you some improvement in these areas (as to be fair, he’s showing in other areas) by now, but I don’t see it.

Looks like an indecisive noodle arm who is a great runner. Relieve pitcher.

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

That is exactly my problem with people saying that they are watching the All 22 and they can see WRs wide open. Do we know if the scheme was for that WR? Do we know if the play was called to only go to one or two targets before leaving the pocket? Do we know if that target might have been the 4th or 5th option in the progression and the oline already broke down by then? Do we know if the WR just ran the wrong route, wasnt in the place where he was suppose to be and that is why he is so open?

We really have no idea at all, yet want to act like experts on this.

 

Reporters tend to ask the HC those questions

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Reporters tend to ask the HC those questions

Reporters ask questions on certain memorable plays from the game. Reporters do not go back through the game tape, key on different plays and then come back and question the coaches on them days later.

How many junior detectives on here have stated that Smith is open all the time because they watched the All 22?

16 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't think there was a huge difference between Hurts today and Hurts the last few weeks. In fact I think the difference was a couple of throws or a couple of drops. And I don't say that to defend Hurts, I actually say that to show that Hurts is not the long term answer. 

This is very true.

The one thing I will add is that I am a Hurts fan and I know that he is a 2-4 year project, so a game like yesterday does not surprise me. What sucks was that it was against the Giants.

One read QB, summed up nicely.

 

 

53 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

This is very true.

The one thing I will add is that I am a Hurts fan and I know that he is a 2-4 year project, so a game like yesterday does not surprise me. What sucks was that it was against the Giants.

I just think at this point we probably know what Hurts is. He's going to get a lot of plays using his legs and he is capable of making plats with his arm. But ultimately he's going to struggle if he has to win games with his arm. The big question then becomes... Are any of the QBs in next year's draft categorically going to be better than him? 

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

It is very possible that Hurts isn’t the guy, I fully accept that.

But all QBs have bad games. The idea of giving up on him if he has one more and turning to Minshew is just plain wrong.

As bad as he was we win that game if Ward and Reagor don’t drop very catchable TDS.

Let’s see how he responds over the next five games

 

I know you were quoting multiple posts, but to be clear I don't base my opinion on one game only.  He's had some really good games too.  I've been preaching since last year that any young QB is going to have their ups and downs.  We keep seeing these hot takes after 1 game whether he's great and need to build around him or he's a bust and need to move on.  

All players have bad games, but what you look for is what they do next.  How do they regroup and improve?  

I find it interesting that there are young QBs that do play well in their first couple years and so it sets this expectation, but look at the playoff QBs and the ones winning championships.  It takes time to get to that level, some of the greatest QBs took several years before they even won a playoff game.

15 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The big question then becomes... Are any of the QBs in next year's draft categorically going to be better than him? 

Does it matter, we screwed the pooch by winning some games, and the Dolphins and Colts have won enough to push those picks out of the top 10.

Right now we have 9, 10 and possibly 14.  A couple weeks ago we were talking about possibly having 3 top 10 picks.

We acquire all this draft capital, for a QB or multiple impact players, and we screwed that up as well.

2 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

But all QBs have bad games. The idea of giving up on him if he has one more and turning to Minshew is just plain wrong.

As bad as he was we win that game if Ward and Reagor don’t drop very catchable TDS.

Even in his good games, he continues to show that he does not progress through his reads, and looks to run to early.

To you second point, it is a Hurts problem that he went to Reagor, when his #1 is streaking down the sideline for a wide open TD.

He has not improved on any of the listed negatives from his draft profile.

 

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

@Moderator6 feel free to lock this discussion. You can even change the title to Jalen Hurts 17 QB Rating Against 25th Ranked Pass Defense:  Discussion Over, Mic Dropped.

16 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Even in his good games, he continues to show that he does not progress through his reads, and looks to run to early.

To you second point, it is a Hurts problem that he went to Reagor, when his #1 is streaking down the sideline for a wide open TD.

He has not improved on any of the listed negatives from his draft profile.

 

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

All are true, but these are the ones that trouble me most.  I really believe that he just lacks the QB IQ/awareness needed to play consistently well in the NFL.  These are qualities and abilities one can only improve on so much, so for the most part he is what he is.

 

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Even in his good games, he continues to show that he does not progress through his reads, and looks to run to early.

To you second point, it is a Hurts problem that he went to Reagor, when his #1 is streaking down the sideline for a wide open TD.

He has not improved on any of the listed negatives from his draft profile.

 

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

He was progressing in the last few games. Made some nice plays from the pocket while using his legs effectively. He’s not going to be a 3/4 read kind of QB and that’s okay if he’s playing well as he was against the Broncos/Saints etc.

Smith streaking wide open? He was maybe open for the first down, but there was a safety over the top. Hurts did his job on that play. Didn’t excuse his play overall, but that’s a game we should have won in spite of Hurts.

10 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

@Moderator6 feel free to lock this discussion. You can even change the title to Jalen Hurts 17 QB Rating Against 25th Ranked Pass Defense:  Discussion Over, Mic Dropped.

Which would be more idiotic than declaring him our  franchise QB because he had the highest QBR in the league in the 5 weeks before.

Eagles are 30th in Passing Yards per game. How anyone thinks that's acceptable is beyond me.

 

43 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I know you were quoting multiple posts, but to be clear I don't base my opinion on one game only.  He's had some really good games too.  I've been preaching since last year that any young QB is going to have their ups and downs.  We keep seeing these hot takes after 1 game whether he's great and need to build around him or he's a bust and need to move on.  

All players have bad games, but what you look for is what they do next.  How do they regroup and improve?  

I find it interesting that there are young QBs that do play well in their first couple years and so it sets this expectation, but look at the playoff QBs and the ones winning championships.  It takes time to get to that level, some of the greatest QBs took several years before they even won a playoff game.

 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts is a developing player and this is to be expected occasionally. It’s a shame he basically has on target he can truly count on though. 

Yeah that particular part of the comment wasn’t aimed as you. 
 

Hurts is still developing and he may not make it, but the people calling for his head because he had a qb rating of 17.5 against the Giants are ignoring that he had the highest QBR in the league over the last five weeks or that his PFF rating after the Giants game is still 80 for the season, which is better than "proper QBs” like Wentz and Wilson.