1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

Here's a math lesson. The Jets are 29th against the run and 27th against the pass, and are the 31st ranked defense in the league. Or in TATE math, 28th. Because that's how numbers work.

But they are also equal to the Saints, Bucs, Broncos, Chargers...because something, something, qbr rating. 

Relax. Don't confuse yourself more then you already have. If you learn too much in one day you won't retain all of it

1 minute ago, Godfather said:

Relax. Don't confuse yourself more then you already have. If you learn too much in one day you won't retain all of it

Owned.

Just now, jsb235 said:

Owned.

Ahaha

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@jsb235   I asked you before and you changed the subject to do your mathematic gymnastics to try and support your obviously biased opinion.   
 

Did you watch Hurts play against San Fran, New Orleans, Tampa, Dallas, Oakland and Carolina.  Did you think he played well in those games?   You can honestly say that he did, with a straight face?  Do you watch the games?   

Do I want to discuss something with you? No. I think you are a moron.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

@jsb235   I asked you before and you changed the subject to do your mathematic gymnastics to try and support your obviously biased opinion.   
 

Did you watch Hurts play against San Fran, New Orleans, Tampa, Dallas, Oakland and Carolina.  Did you think he played well in those games?   You can honestly say that he did, with a straight face?  Do you watch the games?   

C'mon brah. He thinks he's a top 10 qb

Hurts took a serious pounding in that Giants game. He is STILL hurt from that game. As soon as he steps in as the starter again, every opponent is going to do the SAME thing the Giants did- beat the crap out of him when Hurts is running (which is all the time, basically) and force him to do what he cannot do- pass the ball. When you are one dimensional and NFL defenses have you figured out, you are done- unless YOU adjust your own game and become multi-dimensional. Hurts is running out of time. If he could get his passing game together, he survives. If not, he is a bench warmer. Problem is, he has zero arm strength, so it's not looking good for him now. 

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Here's a math lesson. The Jets are 29th against the run and 27th against the pass, and are the 31st ranked defense in the league. Or in TATE math, 28th. Because that's how numbers work.

But they are also equal to the Saints, Bucs, Broncos, Chargers...because something, something, qbr rating. 

Yes, but I already showed you that all of the teams ranked ahead of the Eagles in one category, also rank ahead of the Eagles in the other category.

Here's the bottom line:  

Hurts has been throwing less as the season has gone on and the offense has improved overall and plays better the less he throws the ball

19 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

The Eagles cannot sign Jalen Hurts to a long term contract now.   They have to wait.

I'm with - Hurts is the starter next year.  

I stand corrected....they do need to wait 3 years so that couldn't happen until after next season.

2 hours ago, Thing3 said:

I stand corrected....they do need to wait 3 years so that couldn't happen until after next season.

They don't need to wait. Teams just don't want to set precedent. Also, considering inflation if you have a long-term stud it is cheaper to sign them long-term earlier. That play may be a 10mil/year guy now, but could be a 50mil/year guy in a few years. All depends on how teams want to handle the risk.

3 hours ago, Talonblood said:

Hurts took a serious pounding in that Giants game. He is STILL hurt from that game. As soon as he steps in as the starter again, every opponent is going to do the SAME thing the Giants did- beat the crap out of him when Hurts is running (which is all the time, basically) and force him to do what he cannot do- pass the ball. When you are one dimensional and NFL defenses have you figured out, you are done- unless YOU adjust your own game and become multi-dimensional. Hurts is running out of time. If he could get his passing game together, he survives. If not, he is a bench warmer. Problem is, he has zero arm strength, so it's not looking good for him now. 

I'll play a little devil's advocate and mention that arm strength isn't the be all in the NFL. Players with poor arm strength have been able to have long-term success or success in the NFL based on other factors. Peyton Manning and Brees were all-time greats without great arm strength. Pennington had a solid career.

The other abilities needed are reading defenses, processing defenses after the snap, going through reads, anticipation on throws, etc. Hurts doesn't have any of that and that is ultimately why he won't have long-term success in the NFL. He lost his job at Alabama for a reason.

1 hour ago, Devaster said:

They don't need to wait. Teams just don't want to set precedent. Also, considering inflation if you have a long-term stud it is cheaper to sign them long-term earlier. That play may be a 10mil/year guy now, but could be a 50mil/year guy in a few years. All depends on how teams want to handle the risk.

Renegotiations: Rookie contracts for drafted players can't be renegotiated or altered in any way until after the last regular-season game of the third contracted year. 

Yes they do have to wait 3 years

 

Sorry if anyone gets offended but I thought this was way too funny not to post it in this tread.

12 hours ago, Swoop said:

Here's the bottom line:  

Hurts has been throwing less as the season has gone on and the offense has improved overall and plays better the less he throws the ball

There's no doubt in my mind that Wentz is the better QB. There's no question that he had his worst season last year. But just imagine how much better last year's team would have been if we passed less and ran more with Wentz at QB. Both he and Doug would still be employed here. 

7 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

There's no doubt in my mind that Wentz is the better QB. There's no question that he had his worst season last year. But just imagine how much better last year's team would have been if we passed less and ran more with Wentz at QB. Both he and Doug would still be employed here. 

You are right about last year. Thing is, this year we run because our qb can't throw, not to maintain a balance

Just now, greend said:

You are right about last year. Thing is, this year we run because our qb can't throw, not to maintain a balance

Really not much different than last year. Wentz is a better passer, but last year was playing poorly, not getting help from teammates, and the struggles across the makeshift offensive line made passing even more difficult. Most of our critical mistakes came from the passing game last year. 

@jsb235 after doing some additional research, you might be on to something with Hurts being top 10

For example, if you take Hurts rushing attempts, and count them as completed passes to himself, that changes his completion percentage to 70.4 %, 3rd in the NFL.  Obviously a top 10 QB.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Really not much different than last year. Wentz is a better passer, but last year was playing poorly, not getting help from teammates, and the struggles across the makeshift offensive line made passing even more difficult. Most of our critical mistakes came from the passing game last year. 

Look at all those excuses for why Wentz stunk.  

Anyway, Wentz's play had been on the decline the season prior, it's just that he really fell far last year.  I agree he's a better passer, but he's also had 6 seasons to prove it. If we had judged him on his rookie season alone, he'd be a scrub in many peoples eyes.  I agree with some of the criticisms of Hurts, and I'd like to see him run a lot less, and trust his receivers more.  I know he can sit in the pocket and make accurate throws, he just needs to do it. If he can't learn to do that, then I'm all for keeping him around as a backup and moving on.

7 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I know he can sit in the pocket and make accurate throws, he just needs to do it.

What makes you think he can do that.  It was listed in his weaknesses in his draft profile, and there has been no imporvement.

Weaknesses

• Has issues sustaining rhythm as passer with so many off-schedule throws
• Inconsistent patience allowing routes to develop
• Slow recognition of early throw opportunities
• Leaves slants and crossers behind targets
• Misses checkdowns and opts for harder throws
• Deep arm dip into elongated release
• Forced speedsters at OU and Alabama to slow for deep throws
• Needs to get better at trusting his pocket
• Quick to drop his eyes when pressure mounts
• More likely to void pocket than climb, scan and throw from it

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What makes you think he can do that.  It was listed in his weaknesses in his draft profile, and there has been no imporvement.

 

 

Because I've seen him do it in a number of games this season. The issue is he trusts his legs a lot more.  There hasn't been any improvement because we've finally started running more (thankfully), but at the expense of Hurts passing. I'd like to see the RB's get more touches, and Hurts throwing more.

41 minutes ago, downundermike said:

@jsb235 after doing some additional research, you might be on to something with Hurts being top 10

For example, if you take Hurts rushing attempts, and count them as completed passes to himself, that changes his completion percentage to 70.4 %, 3rd in the NFL.  Obviously a top 10 QB.

What do you consider to be the stats for a qb in the top 15?

Hurts isn't top 10, but is he top 15? That's key because a top 15 qb on a rookie contract is probably worth rolling the dice with as long as he is cheap, right?

Total yards, total TDs and total turnovers.

What is the qb production that you need to see from a top 15 qb?

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

What do you consider to be the stats for a qb in the top 15?

Hurts isn't top 10, but is he top 15? That's key because a top 15 qb on a rookie contract is probably worth rolling the dice with as long as he is cheap, right?

Total yards, total TDs and total turnovers.

What is the qb production that you need to see from a top 15 qb?

I need to see a higher completion percentage, and more than a 13:8 TD to INT ratio.  

Just now, downundermike said:

I need to see a higher completion percentage, and more than a 13:8 TD to INT ratio.  

This is why you are downunderidiot.

What does completion percentage have to do with anything?

I am looking for you to quantify the production you need to see from the qb position to get you to shut up about it. Total yards, total TDs and total turnovers. Those are the stats that matter. So answer the question or go away. Your choice.

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is why you are downunderidiot.

What does completion percentage have to do with anything?

I am looking for you to quantify the production you need to see from the qb position to get you to shut up about it. Total yards, total TDs and total turnovers. Those are the stats that matter. So answer the question or go away. Your choice.

Completion percentage is highly important for a QB, as is TD's and turnovers.  

Hurts has 21 total TD's.  He is in the Bridgewater, Tannehill, Jimmy G and Taylor Heinecke tier of QB's for total TD's.

He has 3130 totals yards, less than Ryan, Heinicke and Tannehill. 

If his running was so great and then added to his passing, he should be ahead of all of those QB's.

He sucks, and is not a top 10 or even top 15 QB.

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is why you are downunderidiot.

What does completion percentage have to do with anything?

I am looking for you to quantify the production you need to see from the qb position to get you to shut up about it. Total yards, total TDs and total turnovers. Those are the stats that matter. So answer the question or go away. Your choice.

Exactly.  Wentz had a 60% completion % during his MVP like season in which he got hurt. Hurts is sitting at 60% right now.