Are people ready to start coming to terms with the Eagles telling you Jalen Hurts is the 2022 starter or are you all still wishing on stars?

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Are people ready to start coming to terms with the Eagles telling you Jalen Hurts is the 2022 starter or are you all still wishing on stars?

Read the Jeff Laurie quote in my signature 

I fully expect you Hurts fans to gloat if he's the starter week 1 but you should expect the same response from us if he's not

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Read the Jeff Laurie quote in my signature 

Nick Foles won Jeff Lurie his only Super Bowl. Lurie never had a consistently elite quarterback. 
 

"Owner Jeffrey Lurie, who directed the Eagles’ front office to avoid adding competition for Hurts’ QB1 gig this offseason, still believes in the second-year passer, Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inquirer notes. GM Howie Roseman, however, is not as bullish on Hurts long-term.

Lurie led the way in the Eagles drafting Hurts in the 2020 second round, with McLane adding Roseman supported the pick and made the final decision to pull the trigger.”

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2021/12/jeffrey-lurie-howie-roseman-split-on-jalen-hurts
 

Looks like Lurie already thinks he has his man. 🤷‍♂️

I’m in the same place I was months ago when people flipped out over a very mundane comment. I never disagreed that Hurts may ultimately end up the starter again, but I don’t buy for two seconds that they are sold on him as the long term future, and I have very little doubt conversations will be had about other options until the well runs completely dry. 

4 hours ago, Swoop said:

You realize there are people who think that Hurts isn't the answer, but also understand given the options there may be no other choice, yes?

I think that’s why it’s useless to keep complaining about something beyond our control especially when there isn’t any other viable options. I believe this season is the true Hurts evaluation season. If Hurts doesn’t improve then I could see the Eagles making a serious push for a replacement in 2023. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done on this roster. People are so hyper fixated on the quarterback situation they’re failing to see that reality, and the truth is none of these elite quarterbacks want to come to Philly with this lower end defense and basically average skill position offense that couldn’t even afford to bench Reagor despite how poor he was all season. 

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I’m in the same place I was months ago when people flipped out over a very mundane comment. I never disagreed that Hurts may ultimately end up the starter again, but I don’t buy for two seconds that they are sold on him as the long term future, and I have very little doubt conversations will be had about other options until the well runs completely dry. 

Honestly I think most of us are in agreement with the idea that Hurts isn’t guaranteed the long term future of the team. Very few people think that as a whole actually. With that being the case there’s no reason to tear him down for it. He didn’t draft himself nor did he force himself into the starting position. If the Eagles didn’t see anything at all from him he’s not in this position to begin with. You might not see anything of value in Hurts, but that doesn’t mean the Eagles agree with you or anyone else. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Honestly I think most of us are in agreement with the idea that Hurts isn’t guaranteed the long term future of the team. Very few people think that as a whole actually. With that being the case there’s no reason to tear him down for it. He didn’t draft himself nor did he force himself into the starting position. If the Eagles didn’t see anything at all from him he’s not in this position to begin with. You might not see anything of value in Hurts, but that doesn’t mean the Eagles agree with you or anyone else. 

I don’t expect them to always agree with me. I can’t force them to be right. They have to figure that out on their own. 
 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I don’t expect them to always agree with me. I can’t force them to be right. They have to figure that out on their own. 
 

 

 

 

 

Well if they’re wrong about Jalen we will find out soon enough, but they’re certainly going to give him his chance to succeed or fail. People seem to forget this is the owner and GM who drafted this guy. Is not like when Lurie first got here where Cunningham and Kotite were forced on him. 

The team has already visited with Matt Corral, Sam Howell, and Carson Strong so far at the Combine and additionally met with Strong at the Senior Bowl. This is probably the team doing their due diligence on prospects, but Strong is someone I can see the team take a chance on if he falls to Round 2. I'm not crazy about Corral or Howell in Round 1 and hope we aren't seriously considering Malik Willis when we already have a similar QB in Jalen Hurts. 

Strong would be a completely contrasting style of QB to Hurts: traditional pocket passer with limited mobility but has the requisite arm strength to make all the throws. The Eagles haven't had that since Nick Foles. Injuries would be the main concern, as our OL should help mask the limited mobility if the team were to draft him.

My guess is that Jalen Hurts gets another year as QB1 and we build around him with more young pieces on defense and more depth at the other offensive skill positions.

55 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Are people ready to start coming to terms with the Eagles telling you Jalen Hurts is the 2022 starter or are you all still wishing on stars?

The anti-Hurts crowd is having trouble coming to terms with it now.  You, the Hurts humpers, and the Eagles, will have to struggle with coming to terms with it in weeks 1-17 of the NFL season next year.

Whether or not he starts, whether or not there are better options…none of it changes the sad reality that he’s a horrific passer.

First, I don't think being critical of the way Hurts has played QB so far and having the opinion that he won't improve enough to be a starting QB who can win playoff games when it's crunch time is being a hater.  It's just assessing what you see, taking into account outside POVs, especially those of former players who now breakdown game films and doing your own research.

Second, I don't think I've ever typed it out, but I was under the impression he'd be our starting QB again in 2022, mostly by default.  I didn't think, nor did I want, the Eagles to give up a ton of draft capital for Rodgers/Wilson/Watson.  The first 2 are off the board now and it looks like Watson's legal issues will continue to drag on.  Plus, he's a big red flag as a person and player.  I do think they should have an open QB competition between Hurts and Minshew, but they won't.  Have to play the 2nd Round pick, and by making that pick it helped drive the wedge between the FO and the supposed franchise QB, over the one you only traded a late round pick for.  Look how long they've held on to a useless JJAW because he was a 2nd Round pick.  They are all about trying to save face when they faceplant. 

I just think he has too many flaws in his game that need fixing.  Just too much to overcome.  I'm expecting anywhere from what we saw in 2021 to a slight improvement at most.  Looks like we'll all get the chance to find out.

 

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The anti-Hurts crowd is having trouble coming to terms with it now.  You, the Hurts humpers, and the Eagles, will have to struggle with coming to terms with it in weeks 1-17 of the NFL season next year.

Whether or not he starts, whether or not there are better options…none of it changes the sad reality that he’s a horrific passer.

If the Eagles go 1-17 will that upset me? Actually a lot less than say a 7-10 season where they’re bad, but not bad enough to be in the realm to draft another quarterback. Funny thing is the last time the Eagles allegedly had a "real quarterback” he won three games and I watched you all cry an blame this entire roster, but him for it so what really is your point here? What if your ASSumption goes bad though? What if Hurts doesn’t win only one game? What if he goes out there and wins 10 and make the playoffs again? How agonizing would that be for you? 

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

If the Eagles go 1-17 will that upset me? Actually a lot less than say a 7-10 season where they’re bad, but not bad enough to be in the realm to draft another quarterback. Funny thing is the last time the Eagles allegedly had a "real quarterback” he won three games and I watched you all cry an blame this entire roster, but him for it so what really is your point here? What if your ASSumption goes bad though? What if Hurts doesn’t win only one game? What if he goes out there and wins 10 and make the playoffs again? How agonizing would that be for you? 

I don’t know…how agonizing was watching Hurts in the playoffs for you?  Was pretty agonizing for me.

13 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I fully expect you Hurts fans to gloat if he's the starter week 1 but expect the same to happen if he's not

I think it's important to make some distinction for perspective. I can't speak for everyone but I "think" most people who are in support of Hurts for another year will agree with me ...

I am "Hurts fan" because he is an Eagle. I want him to do well because that's good for the Eagles. I am hopeful and cautiously optimistic. That is the only contrast with those that are certain that he is already and will always be a failure. Ok - I think he is the best option right now for next year - so I guess that's another. 

With that said  - I don't understand your post - You expect Hurts fans to gloat if he is or isn't the week 1 starter? I know that can't be what you meant - but it is what you posted.

 

 

34 minutes ago, Nivraga said:

I think it's important to make some distinction for perspective. I can't speak for everyone but I "think" most people who are in support of Hurts for another year will agree with me ...

I am "Hurts fan" because he is an Eagle. I want him to do well because that's good for the Eagles. I am hopeful and cautiously optimistic. That is the only contrast with those that are certain that he is already and will always be a failure. Ok - I think he is the best option right now for next year - so I guess that's another. 

With that said  - I don't understand your post - You expect Hurts fans to gloat if he is or isn't the week 1 starter? I know that can't be what you meant - but it is what you posted.

 

 

There are Hurts fans that just want him as the starter because they're fans of his. The whole "give him time" is crap

I missed some words in the post and some understood the intention. Fixed it

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

If the Eagles go 1-17 will that upset me? Actually a lot less than say a 7-10 season where they’re bad, but not bad enough to be in the realm to draft another quarterback.

That is what  you get with Hurts, .500 and not in a position to get a QB without giving up multiple picks in the draft in 2023.

That is why you get a QB now, while you have the extra resources to do it.

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There are Hurts fans that just want him as the starter because they're fans of his. The whole "give him time" is crap

No one on this board has ever said anything even close to this.

This is the argument you need people on the other side to make so that your opinions aren't so moronic.

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

No one on this board has ever said anything even close to this.

This is the argument you need people on the other side to make so that your opinions aren't so moronic.

I don't remember if I've seen it on here but it's definitely all over social media

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

That is what  you get with Hurts, .500 and not in a position to get a QB without giving up multiple picks in the draft in 2023.

That is why you get a QB now, while you have the extra resources to do it.

Well the Eagles under one season with Hurts made the playoffs so far, meanwhile @eagle45 is saying Hurts is getting one win next season. You people are all over the place. 

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t know…how agonizing was watching Hurts in the playoffs for you?  Was pretty agonizing for me.

He was bad in his first PLAYOFF GAME. Watching that 2020 seeing and seeing a six year vet throw into triple coverage and get nearly outplayed by Ben DiNucci was far more agonizing than seeing a 23 year old struggle in his very first playoff game. But I guess you were happy watching that 2020 trash, because we had a "great quarterback?” 

On 3/8/2022 at 1:56 PM, Swoop said:

You realize there are people who think that Hurts isn't the answer, but also understand given the options there may be no other choice, yes?

That’s the point I’m making.  It’s easy to say "we need to upgrade”.  It becomes more difficult when you have to be specific.

Hurts has his flaws for sure, and it remains to be seen how much improvement he can make in Year 3 to prove he is the guy moving forward.

When he was drafted with the 2nd round pick in 2020, I was not happy with the selection and thought it was a poor allocation of resources after signing Wentz to a long term deal.

However, in light of how Wentz has performed after his trade to the Colts and seeing the strong intangibles that Hurts brings to the table in addition to his rushing ability and ability to extend plays, it's hard not to support him as QB1. Even if it is by default with no obvious upgrades available in free agency or trade.

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well the Eagles under one season with Hurts made the playoffs so far, meanwhile @eagle45 is saying Hurts is getting one win next season. You people are all over the place. 

I said he's getting one win next season?

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I said he's getting one win next season?

Reading comprehension.  You said Weeks 1 through 17 (typed 1-17), and that's what you get... a 1 and 17 record for a 17 game season.  It makes sense.