1 minute ago, downundermike said:

If Minshew is a dink and dunker, then Hurts is also a slightly worse dink and dunker.

I've never said Hurts didn't dink and dunk lol. And yes, his accuracy is definitely worse

19 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

I’d caveat that by saying that not all elite QBs have elite physical tools. Brees is the obvious one that comes to mind but then again those QBs have generally succeeding in by elite in accuracy, reading defences and decision making.
 

Hurts can compensate for some of that with running to be in the upper echelon, he’d need to be at least above average to quite good in those things to compensate for his arm. Issue is he is poor in those things currently so while I expect some improvement, it’s a big ask to go from where he is now to turning them to be strengths in his game. 

Brees was completely elite between the ears

Accuracy 9/10

Decision making 9/10

Anticipation 8/10

Arm strength 5/10

Mobility 4/10 

He just always seemed to know where to go and more importantly where the defense was going to be. Matched with a coach that made custom offenses to fit all his strengths, and covered his weakness. Hurts has a coach willing to build an offense that helps Hurts, but not sure he wants this to be his offense. Hurts is a smart kid and maybe can get his decision making and anticipation ratings up. I just don't know if he can get them high enough to be top 10 ever, but who the hell knows 

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

I mean, Allen's numbers his first 2 seasons weren't any better than Hurts'.  Allen did make great strides in his 3rd season, but he also got a bit more help on offense in 2020 too. 

You don't need a super strong arm to be an elite QB lol. I mean, the guy everyone wants to see start dink and dunked in Jacksonville, so I don't get the whole "elite arm" argument.

Allen had to work on accuracy he had everything else  ... Hurts needs to work on accuracy, decision making, anticipation, throwing a guy open all while having a less then average arm.

People all called Allen a bust before he even got to the NFL because of his accuracy issues, because that rarely ever gets better in the pros. So Allen does something that is rare and now Hurts can do it with all that other sheet he can't do? 

Stop comparing him to Josh Allen they aren't even on the same planet let alone playing field. 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Allen had to work on accuracy he had everything else  ... Hurts needs to work on accuracy, decision making, anticipation, throwing a guy open all while having a less then average arm.

People all called Allen a bust before he even got to the NFL because of his accuracy issues, because that rarely ever gets better in the pros. So Allen does something that is rare and now Hurts can do it with all that other sheet he can't do? 

Stop comparing him to Josh Allen they aren't even on the same planet let alone playing field. 

I can't believe this foolishness continues to bounce around in the empty space of the vacuous minds.  The Josh Allen comparison is so ridiculous.

Almost identical...

23 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I can't believe this foolishness continues to bounce around in the empty space of the vacuous minds.  The Josh Allen comparison is so ridiculous.

Almost identical...

That picture brings me to the next issue! Allen has a height advantage and can see over linemen! So that adds to another problem Hurts has to overcome and that's seeing throwing lanes which is most likely why he doesn't go to the middle of the field often because he can't see where the throwing lanes are! 

27 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That picture brings me to the next issue! Allen has a height advantage and can see over linemen! So that adds to another problem Hurts has to overcome and that's seeing throwing lanes which is most likely why he doesn't go to the middle of the field often because he can't see where the throwing lanes are! 

No, it's because he sucks.

29 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No, it's because he sucks.

Well yeah but, im explaining why he sucks and the foolishness of saying he can be like Josh Allen all h has to do is be more accurate. When it's all that other sheet he has to overcome to even begin being more accurate. All those issues plays into becoming more accurate. He has way more hurdles to get there than Josh Allen had. 

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That picture brings me to the next issue! Allen has a height advantage and can see over linemen! So that adds to another problem Hurts has to overcome and that's seeing throwing lanes which is most likely why he doesn't go to the middle of the field often because he can't see where the throwing lanes are! 

Yes, that's why I chose that.  He's no where near Josh Allen on a myriad of levels.

On 3/16/2022 at 5:55 PM, EaglesRocker97 said:

Hurts Haters, get f***ed!

 

 

We're all Fed if he's the quarterback this year 

Just now, greend said:

 

4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

9 minutes ago, greend said:

 

 

Meh, I'm not exactly a hugger. Like I said, I'm just cautiously optimistic and think he should get a little more time to prove himself and for the coaching staff to make a complete evaluation. It's due diligence. If he plays basically the same as last year, I think it's time to start seriously considering alternatives.

But calling people "blind" about Hurts is pretty rich coming from a guy who stood by Wentz until the bitter end and defended him even after he threw his hissy fit to force a trade.

24 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Meh, I'm not exactly a hugger. Like I said, I'm just cautiously optimistic and think he should get a little more time to prove himself and for the coaching staff to make a complete evaluation. It's due diligence. If he plays basically the same as last year, I think it's time to start seriously considering alternatives.

But calling people "blind" about Hurts is pretty rich coming from a guy who stood by Wentz until the bitter end and defended him even after he threw his hissy fit to force a trade.

 Sure and saying this after you post the "sky is falling meme" is rich as well. Hurts blows , end of discussion.

7 minutes ago, greend said:

 Sure and saying this after you post the "sky is falling meme" is rich as well. Hurts blows , end of discussion.

 

This post literally makes no sense. I get it, though, you have no real argument to stand on and I just exposed your double standard, so you're flustered and can't do anything but flail your arms and queef "HuRtS bLoWs, EnD oF DiScUsSiOn!"

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

This post literally makes no sense. I get it, though, you have no real argument to stand on and I just exposed your double standard, so you're flustered and can't do anything but queef ""HuRtS bLoWs, EnD oF DiScUsSiOn!"

Nah, I commented how we're all Fed if Hurts is the starter this year. You hit it with a senseless meme for a guy that wants to "wait and see" . Then after being called a blind Hurts Hugger you tried to pretend that you're not. It's okay bro, own it. Maybe at the end of the day you will be right, but my eyes tell me otherwise. 

Moving on............................... 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Nah, I commented how we're all Fed if Hurts is the starter this year. You hit it with a senseless meme for a guy that wants to "wait and see" . Then after being called a blind Hurts Hugger you tried to pretend that you're not. It's okay bro, own it. Maybe at the end of the day you will be right, but my eyes tell me otherwise. 

Moving on............................... 

 

"We're all fed this year" sounds very Chicken Little-ish to me. I thought it was a pretty solid reference.

The response to calling me blind about Hurts was pointing out that you were completely blind to Wentz's deficiencies long after it was obvious that Wentz blows, so I'm just pointing out that accusations of blindness would seem to mean very little coming from you.

Maybe I'm too old-school for some people, but I talked about it earlier how I just think people generally give up way too soon on QBs these days. Hurts only has 19 starts in his career. I'd rather hold him a little longer and put some weapons around him to be absolutely sure he isn't the guy before cutting bait. I tend to preach patience in these situations, regardless of who the guy is.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I'd rather hold him a little longer and put some weapons around him to be absolutely sure he isn't the guy before cutting bait.

This is the #1 issue, the weapons around him will not matter.  He does not trust clean pockets, bails to early and does not progress through his reads.  

There is a reason that an NFL defensive coach was filmed on the sidelines saying "He can't read".  This is not me or @greend saying it, this is a guy who is paid to stop NFL offenses for a living.

16 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That picture brings me to the next issue! Allen has a height advantage and can see over linemen! So that adds to another problem Hurts has to overcome and that's seeing throwing lanes which is most likely why he doesn't go to the middle of the field often because he can't see where the throwing lanes are! 

Good point.  Allen has the ability to play in the pocket (physically and mentally) and move outside when needed.  Hurts doesn't stay in the pocket long enough to really tell if he can play from the pocket or not.  When he has stuck in, he has radically overthrown his receivers deep and ignores 2/3 of the field....in other instances he immediately spins to his right and proceeds to ignore 2/3 of the field.   He has miles to go to even be mentioned with Josh Allen on this one point of many Hurts deficiencies.

Just now, downundermike said:

This is the #1 issue, the weapons around him will not matter.  He does not trust clean pockets, bails to early and does not progress through his reads. 

 

These are things that can be improved, though, at this stage. You can coach guys up to be better at decision-making and navigating the pocket. It's not a guarantee, but Hurts would seem to have the kind of attitude and work-ethic that would take well to quality coaching.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

These are things that can be improved, though, at this stage. You can coach guys up to be better at decision-making and navigating the pocket. It's not a guarantee, but Hurts would seem to have the kind of attitude and work-ethic that would take well to quality coaching.

Another narrative I hate.  What makes Hurts this hard worker that no other QB in the NFL is on par with him ??

You have to have the physical skills to do it, and you have to have it between the ears to do it.  I do not see it with Hurts.  He gets rattled once in a game and resorts to being a running back.

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4 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

These are things that can be improved, though, at this stage. You can coach guys up to be better at decision-making and navigating the pocket. It's not a guarantee, but Hurts would seem to have the kind of attitude and work-ethic that would take well to quality coaching.

Do you ever wonder why he hasn't used that attitude and work ethic to fix these glaring issues before?  He's had premium coaching (even some he paid for) over the last few years and in college, yet he still is very limited in his ability to play the position.  I wonder why that is....considering he's perceived as such a hard worker and sponge for coaching.

Either way, we are apparently stuck with him for another year.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Another narrative I hate.  What makes Hurts this hard worker that no other QB in the NFL is on par with him ??

You have to have the physical skills to do it, and you have to have it between the ears to do it.  I do not see it with Hurts.  He gets rattled once in a game and resorts to being a running back.

 

I really think people undersell his physical attributes. He has plenty to work with physically. Mentally, some of it remains to be seen. I just know a lot of QBs have their heads swimming for the first year or two and are just trying to get comfortable. Consider that this is only compounded by a complete turnover in the coaching staff after his rookie year. I think the jury's still out.

7 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I really think people undersell his physical attributes. He has plenty to work with physically. Mentally, some of it remains to be seen. I just know a lot of QBs have their heads swimming for the first year or two and are just trying to get comfortable. Consider that this is only compounded by a complete turnover in the coaching staff after his rookie year. I think the jury's still out.

I disagree.  The fact that he needs so long to set up, and has to take that extra hop step to drive the ball tells you he has inadequate arm strength.

 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Meh, I'm not exactly a hugger. Like I said, I'm just cautiously optimistic and think he should get a little more time to prove himself and for the coaching staff to make a complete evaluation. It's due diligence. If he plays basically the same as last year, I think it's time to start seriously considering alternatives.

But calling people "blind" about Hurts is pretty rich coming from a guy who stood by Wentz until the bitter end and defended him even after he threw his hissy fit to force a trade.

They made their evaluation pretty well known when they decided around the mid-season point to maximize his running skills and minimize his passing.