2 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Those aren't stats. They are rankings. They are still important in evaluation, but rankings don't tell you what happened on a play. That graphic you guys like to repost every page doesn't explain the qualifiers to the rankings either and it conveniently doesn't list any favorable rankings where Hurts ranked much higher. I get that we're talking specifically about deep passes right now, so let's just say those rankings are extremely relevant. But my point is that he has the arm strength. His accuracy could improve, but It's my contention that if he just makes the pass without hesitating , his statistical accuracy will go up. Every hesitation allows defenders more time to make a play which they were doing last year. 

When your 30th, I'm going to guess the plays didn't go well.... consistently....

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

 I think it's because he doesn't trust what he sees until it's too late. His arm is enough for the NFL, but it's really nothing special. 

I agree with this. It's pretty much what I've been saying. He needs to trust his receiver  and get that ball out sooner and his completion percentage on deep passes will be much higher. That's something I would expect to see improve with experience and maturity. 

Other rankings so I'm not just painting him in a bad light 

21st in yards, 28th in completion percentage, 26th in passing touchdowns,  22nd in QB rating, 19th in QBR.... Other than interceptions, he is usually outside top 20. Man protects the ball like a good backup QB should

1st rushing yards, 1st rushing touchdowns .... Neat!

Avoided the sack like a champ as well and the eagles were 4th in 3rd down conversion so I will give him half credit for that

11 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I agree with this. It's pretty much what I've been saying. He needs to trust his receiver  and get that ball out sooner and his completion percentage on deep passes will be much higher. That's something I would expect to see improve with experience and maturity. 

Oddly enough I don't hate his decision making, but when he hesitates or has to take three steps before bombing... He throws a better deep ball rolling out and that's even more infuriating because he now has shut half the field down and doesn't have the arm to compensate for that bad decision 

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Other rankings so I'm not just painting him in a bad light 

21st in yards, 28th in completion percentage, 26th in passing touchdowns,  22nd in QB rating, 19th in QBR.... Other than interceptions, he is usually outside top 20. Man protects the ball like a good backup QB should

1st rushing yards, 1st rushing touchdowns .... Neat!

Avoided the sack like a champ as well and the eagles were 4th in 3rd down conversion so I will give him half credit for that

You can focus on those things. That's fine. I'm more concerned about what the team is doing as a whole (which is why I posted this tweet earlier) :

We improved offensively in a lot of areas. Obviously it's not all Hurts, but he did his part in  much of the success. We still have a few months before a meaningful snap and I expect no arguments or opinions will change during that time. What happens from September on will be the only thing that changes minds on one side or the other. Hurts is pretty interesting as far as QBs go as it seems like a large chunk of football fans, commentators, analysts, etc... think either he's clearly "the guy" going forward or that he's clearly "not the guy." IMO, most QBs take a few years to get there and last year was a step in the right decision. One guy whose opinion I highly respect (Jaws) is not sold on Hurts at this time based a lot on that playoff performance. He didn't write him off, but expressed doubts. 

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You can focus on those things. That's fine. I'm more concerned about what the team is doing as a whole (which is why I posted this tweet earlier) :

We improved offensively in a lot of areas. Obviously it's not all Hurts, but he did his part in  much of the success. We still have a few months before a meaningful snap and I expect no arguments or opinions will change during that time. What happens from September on will be the only thing that changes minds on one side or the other. Hurts is pretty interesting as far as QBs go as it seems like a large chunk of football fans, commentators, analysts, etc... think either he's clearly "the guy" going forward or that he's clearly "not the guy." IMO, most QBs take a few years to get there and last year was a step in the right decision. One guy whose opinion I highly respect (Jaws) is not sold on Hurts at this time based a lot on that playoff performance. He didn't write him off, but expressed doubts. 

Where were we ranked mid season in all these stats before we became a predominantly running team? I'd lean more towards giving Nick credit for those accomplishments, and comparing it to the absolute dumpster fire that was last season isn't the most convincing

9 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Where were we ranked mid season in all these stats before we became a predominantly running team?

I really don't know ... but ... Who cares?

It takes a whole season to accumulate stats or rankings for a season. 

37 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

You can focus on those things. That's fine. I'm more concerned about what the team is doing as a whole (which is why I posted this tweet earlier) :

 

It should also be noted that adding AJ Brown to this offense is going to improve a lot of these numbers all by himself. Plus how many young players did we have - Dickerson, Smith, Gainwell, Mailata, Watkins - who are likely to take a step forward next season.

There's a legit argument to be made that we are going to be a solid top 10 offense even if Hurts doesn't get any better. 

The OLine in 2020 was a mess.

32nd in sacks starts to tell the story.

Every play was a jail break.

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

It should also be noted that adding AJ Brown to this offense is going to improve a lot of these numbers all by himself. Plus how many young players did we have - Dickerson, Smith, Gainwell, Mailata, Watkins - who are likely to take a step forward next season.

There's a legit argument to be made that we are going to be a solid top 10 offense even if Hurts doesn't get any better. 

Hurts better get better.

He was horrible.

5 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Hurts better get better.

He was horrible.

And the pressure is squarely on him.

Returning a top 5 offensive line, added the guy he wanted at WR, DeVonta in year 2 after setting the Eagles rookie receiving mark, and Goedert is the unquestioned #1 tight end.

It is all on Hurts now.

 

I don't like Jalen Hurts' salary / contract.

QB's should be paid starter money, if they start.

Not superstar money.

More like a baseball arbitration number.

You played 8 games. Here is $750k per game.

Thanks for playing. What's fair is fair.

4 games = $3mil

8 games = $6mil

17 games = $12.75mil

And the team should also have injury insurance for the QBs.

QB gets hurt.

Game income is insured and 2-3 years of career earnings are insured.

The teams have money.

Set aside game checks for QBs outside of cap money.

8 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

I don't like Jalen Hurts salary / contract.

QB's should be paid starter money, if they start.

Not superstar money.

More like a baseball arbitration number.

You played 8 games. Here is $750k per game.

Thanks for playing. What's fair is fair.

4 games = $3mil

8 games = $6mil

17 games = $12.75mil

And the team should also have injury insurance for the QBs.

QB gets hurt.

Game income is insured and career earning are insured.

The teams have money.

Set aside game checks for QBs outside of cap money.

This would probably make a ton of sense if it was the 1980s.

On 5/2/2022 at 6:58 PM, brkmsn said:

You can focus on those things. That's fine. I'm more concerned about what the team is doing as a whole (which is why I posted this tweet earlier) :

We improved offensively in a lot of areas. Obviously it's not all Hurts, but he did his part in  much of the success. We still have a few months before a meaningful snap and I expect no arguments or opinions will change during that time. What happens from September on will be the only thing that changes minds on one side or the other. Hurts is pretty interesting as far as QBs go as it seems like a large chunk of football fans, commentators, analysts, etc... think either he's clearly "the guy" going forward or that he's clearly "not the guy." IMO, most QBs take a few years to get there and last year was a step in the right decision. One guy whose opinion I highly respect (Jaws) is not sold on Hurts at this time based a lot on that playoff performance. He didn't write him off, but expressed doubts. 

Who has said he's the future? I'm honestly curious

For those of you who do not visit the blog, we have the Hurtscuses 2022 edition.  Feel free to add to the list.

 

On 5/2/2022 at 6:06 PM, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

To believe that Hurts' status as the starting QB had no bearing on agreeing to a deal before he even played a snap would be either blind or willfully ignorant.

Don't most WRs agree to a deal before even playing a snap with the signing team's QB? Unless the WR is following the QB from another team.

On 5/2/2022 at 8:16 AM, Infam said:

That‘s me. Always rather make a point and butt heads. Feels more productive.

Did you?

This isn't Facebook or Twitter, you can say whatever you want. But don't you think it might be a little early in the season to be making such pronouncements?

On 5/2/2022 at 11:05 AM, EaglesRocker97 said:

Yeah, literally nothing to do with why A.J.B. is here long-term.

He is here because the Eagles had the most to offer in a trade.  If someone had stepped up with a better offer, AJ Brown would be with another team.

And he said he would have stayed in Tennessee if the $$ was right.

At the end of the day, he was about who would pay him the most, first and foremost.

51 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Don't most WRs agree to a deal before even playing a snap with the signing team's QB? Unless the WR is following the QB from another team.

 

Not necessarily when they're getting traded.

42 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He is here because the Eagles had the most to offer in a trade.  If someone had stepped up with a better offer, AJ Brown would be with another team.

And he said he would have stayed in Tennessee if the $$ was right.

At the end of the day, he was about who would pay him the most, first and foremost.

 

Obviously the money was a factor, but his best friend being the QB clearly meant something to him as well.

46 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He is here because the Eagles had the most to offer in a trade.  If someone had stepped up with a better offer, AJ Brown would be with another team.

And he said he would have stayed in Tennessee if the $$ was right.

At the end of the day, he was about who would pay him the most, first and foremost.

We don't know if the Eagles had the most to offer. There were rumors of the Falcons, Jets, and Lions all being in on an AJ Brown trade, but it was not going to happen because the Titans were not going to budge.

Roseman said that the deal was contingent on him agreeing to a new deal.

The Titans had to have a change of heart, had to accept the trade offer, and Brown had to accept the terms for everything to come together.

This is everything that we know. Now you can make assumptions that this was the best deal that the Titans got, or that was the most money that was offered to Brown. There can also be assumptions made that Brown accepted only this deal because of Hurts and that there were similar deals on the table from other teams that had higher draft picks for the Titans. There can also be an assumption that only the Eagles offered anything of substance and caught the Titans at the right time to make the deal.

They are all assumptions.

21 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

We don't know if the Eagles had the most to offer. There were rumors of the Falcons, Jets, and Lions all being in on an AJ Brown trade, but it was not going to happen because the Titans were not going to budge.

Roseman said that the deal was contingent on him agreeing to a new deal.

The Titans had to have a change of heart, had to accept the trade offer, and Brown had to accept the terms for everything to come together.

This is everything that we know. Now you can make assumptions that this was the best deal that the Titans got, or that was the most money that was offered to Brown. There can also be assumptions made that Brown accepted only this deal because of Hurts and that there were similar deals on the table from other teams that had higher draft picks for the Titans. There can also be an assumption that only the Eagles offered anything of substance and caught the Titans at the right time to make the deal.

They are all assumptions.

You can make an educated guess that we offered the most because he said he'd stay if Titans gave him more

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You can make an educated guess that we offered the most because he said he'd stay if Titans gave him more

This is the guess we could make - That if the Titans had originally offered at least $20 million a year, he would have stayed. That is based off of a comment made by Brown to serve as lip service to his old fan base.

We know he cut off all communications with the Titans front office three weeks before the draft.

 We don't know if any other team was in negotiations with him and the Titans or if the Eagles were the only team, we don't know if the Titans did offer more but it was too late and the relationship was already fractured, or if the Titans stood firm on their original $16m offer.

One way to resolve the junk time stats issue for Jalen Hurts would be to remove him from the game when down by 3 scores, in order to preserve him for a long successful career.

Let him rest and have either Minshew or Strong finish out the games.

It's just junk time.

Hurts' health and safety is more imporatant than junk time stats.