1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Did you support the previous Eagles starting QB when he struggled ??

I stand behind every player on the team, no matter what, as long as they are on the team. 

 

2 minutes ago, wyote said:

I stand behind every player on the team, no matter what, as long as they are on the team. 

 

Just checking.  You don't want to make that statement when someone can pull a post of you saying the opposite.  Seen it to many times.

3 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

It's a brutally hard case to make right now that this franchise needed Claypool more than Hurts.

Not only was Claypool selected before Hurts, but a lot of people considered Claypool a reach. There’s some revisionist history there. I remember because I paid closer attention to him after I found out he was Canadian.

I will never understand the attitude of some of my fellow fans. It's time to get over yourselves. You should be supporting whoever puts this jersey on. Saying sht that appears like you want it to fail because "your guy" isn't under center is crazy. The guy under center should be "your guy". 

"gimmicky runs"? You mean the ones where the number 2 rushing defense had to suddenly account for Sanders going 1 way and Hurts going the other on RPOs? You mean the runs where Hurts picked up 3-4 1st downs by himself? Do you really want to go back to "not converting a single 3rd down"? 

Go take a look at Sanders 80 yrd TD where the LB appeared to "shoot the wrong gap". You know why he shot that gap? Because the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line. He shot that gap because it was the shortest distance to both Hurts AND Sanders. All of a sudden that MLB had to account for both the QB AND the RB in that read. He didn't know if Sanders was going left or if Hurts was going right. If Wentz is in there he probably doesn't care if Wentz goes the other way because he can "catch up to Wentz" if Wentz keeps it. And we all know Wentz isn't keeping it often so the play is easier to read. Now ..all of a sudden.. the QB is a threat in that play. So the MLB had to account for him. He literally takes a jab step toward the hole Sanders went thru.. then he shot the straight gap because Hurts was just as much a threat as Sanders!!! Watch the play again. 

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/13/eagles-miles-sanders-82-yard-td-run-saints/

You do NOT just "gimmick" the number 1 defense in the league. You do NOT just "gimmick" the number 2 rush D in the league. 

And are we really believing that a grown man is going to play the same exact way in the NFL as he played in college when he was 18? Foles didn't teach us anything? Stop quitting on the team because you don't like certain decisions. Reminds me of the Vick/Foles bs back in the day. Thread after thread of certain "fans" wishing Vick would fail and or get hurt so Foles would start. This offense has been absolute trash with Wentz in it. All he had to do was literally "not be trash" while the injuries to the Oline stacked up. Just don't be trash and you'll keep your job. Most turnovers in the league. Most sacks against. Hurts, same oline, same weapons, ZERO NEGATIVE YRDS, ZERO SACKS. All of a sudden 3rd downs are being converted and we stacked up 246 rushing yards with our primary RB only getting 14 carries vs the number 2 rushing D in the league behind a 3rd string Oline. 

 

And some of us are still mad? I remember when people were saying "Foles ain't the guy, Foles ain't the guy"!!!!!!! I remember it well.....Boy was I wrong. Maybe you are wrong now. Support the team..and each player.. it's that simple.

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TL;DR

he's not the future, once teams get some tape on him, I believe he'll go back to being a lifetime backup, probably less that 4 years, my opinion, but for now he's great

1 hour ago, MeccaDon123 said:

I will never understand the attitude of some of my fellow fans. It's time to get over yourselves. You should be supporting whoever puts this jersey on. Saying sht that appears like you want it to fail because "your guy" isn't under center is crazy. The guy under center should be "your guy". 

"gimmicky runs"? You mean the ones where the number 2 rushing defense had to suddenly account for Sanders going 1 way and Hurts going the other on RPOs? You mean the runs where Hurts picked up 3-4 1st downs by himself? Do you really want to go back to "not converting a single 3rd down"? 

Go take a look at Sanders 80 yrd TD where the LB appeared to "shoot the wrong gap". You know why he shot that gap? Because the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line. He shot that gap because it was the shortest distance to both Hurts AND Sanders. All of a sudden that MLB had to account for both the QB AND the RB in that read. He didn't know if Sanders was going left or if Hurts was going right. If Wentz is in there he probably doesn't care if Wentz goes the other way because he can "catch up to Wentz" if Wentz keeps it. And we all know Wentz isn't keeping it often so the play is easier to read. Now ..all of a sudden.. the QB is a threat in that play. So the MLB had to account for him. He literally takes a jab step toward the hole Sanders went thru.. then he shot the straight gap because Hurts was just as much a threat as Sanders!!! Watch the play again. 

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/2020/12/13/eagles-miles-sanders-82-yard-td-run-saints/

You do NOT just "gimmick" the number 1 defense in the league. You do NOT just "gimmick" the number 2 rush D in the league. 

And are we really believing that a grown man is going to play the same exact way in the NFL as he played in college when he was 18? Foles didn't teach us anything? Stop quitting on the team because you don't like certain decisions. Reminds me of the Vick/Foles bs back in the day. Thread after thread of certain "fans" wishing Vick would fail and or get hurt so Foles would start. This offense has been absolute trash with Wentz in it. All he had to do was literally "not be trash" while the injuries to the Oline stacked up. Just don't be trash and you'll keep your job. Most turnovers in the league. Most sacks against. Hurts, same oline, same weapons, ZERO NEGATIVE YRDS, ZERO SACKS. All of a sudden 3rd downs are being converted and we stacked up 246 rushing yards with our primary RB only getting 14 carries vs the number 2 rushing D in the league behind a 3rd string Oline. 

 

And some of us are still mad? I remember when people were saying "Foles ain't the guy, Foles ain't the guy"!!!!!!! I remember it well.....Boy was I wrong. Maybe you are wrong now. Support the team..and each player.. it's that simple.

way too long, blah, blah, blah, I couldve said this in 3 words

2 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

he's not the future, once teams get some tape on him, I believe he'll go back to being a lifetime backup, probably less that 4 years, my opinion, but for now he's great

 

2 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

he's not the future, once teams get some tape on him, I believe he'll go back to being a lifetime backup, probably less that 4 years, my opinion, but for now he's great

 

2 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

way too long, blah, blah, blah, I couldve said this in 3 words

Hey man.. you literally just complained about "reading". You literally just posted about "seeing a paragraph.. and not wanting to read it". I type 100 WPM.. this was written in 4 minutes and can be read in 2 mins. You could've said it in 3 words because you obviously take issue with ... wait for it... "reading".  And based on you using commas but not apostrophes or periods tells me all I need to know about you complaining about having to read literally on a sports forum.

I'll dumb it down for ya.. "ugg support team... ugg"..(knuckle-drag)..SMH ..lmao..cave dweller.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

^

TL;DR

not you too... from the other guy yeah.. but not you too. I promise it won't hurt..

11 minutes ago, MeccaDon123 said:

not you too... from the other guy yeah.. but not you too. I promise it won't hurt..

Nothing personal just having fun.

5 hours ago, downundermike said:

Just checking.  You don't want to make that statement when someone can pull a post of you saying the opposite.  Seen it to many times.

I wonder if you could catch me doing that. I'll discuss when a guy isn't playing well, what might be factoring into and so on, but I won't be leading the "bench the bum" temper tantrums. I try to be careful about which narratives I contribute to. 

We're not GMs or coaches; we're fans. We have a role to play, it and I increasingly believe that playing it well is a matter of character. It's about virtues, especially the traditionally masculine virtues: loyalty, perseverance, solidarity, stoicism, and humility.  

For the moment there's a lot of dancing on Wentz's grave, celebrating the emergence of Hurts. Well, Hurts will struggle eventually. Everyone does. Everyone, no exceptions. And when the happens, part of his ability to overcome that will be how confident he is that the fans have his back. He'll know that he's struggling: he won't need us to tell him that. 

Wentz is a good example. He's probably finished here. I know the Eagles might keep him, maybe even until the end of his contract, but the thing is, he'll never recover his confidence as long as he's in Philadelphia. We can say it's about his failure, his flaw, his lack of bark, but every single guy out there is a human being, mostly they're kids, mostly guys who've always been just about the greatest athletes in their world until they get to the NFL, with plenty of adulation and beautiful women fawning over them. If they struggle, it'll always be hard for them, but the question of how toxic we are for them makes a difference. 

To this extent: I suspect the Eagles would've won a Super Bowl in the Reid-McNabb era if the fans had been more supportive. But the players knew we didn't really have their backs, and it really bothered some of them -- McNabb probably most of all. We broke that guy. Call him a wuss or whatever you want, justify it with the fact that he made plenty of money, you can even celebrate what we did to him if you want, but we also lost out. 

 

I noticed now people are overanalyzing Jalen's 167 pass yards.  News Flash.  It was the #1 Defense that has been destroying QB's all year on a 9 game winning streak.   It was his 1st start.  He will continue to get better in the passing game but he had to adapt.   That's what I loved about his performance.  He took what the Defense gave, adapted, adjusted and got the 1st downs when he needed too.  I mean Zero Sacks was huge.    I expect Jalen to have some big passing games eventually but I loved his decision making.  Also the 100 rush yards for a QB was the first time since Vick 10 years ago and the Saints D haven't given up 100 yards rushing in 3 years.  Also first 100 yard QB/RB duo (Jalen/Miles) since Mcnabb and Duce 18 years ago in 02'.  They are saying Jalen did things that hadn't been done in 70 years in this league.  That was a historic 1st start.   Again was it perfect?  No he had a few rookie mistakes which is expected for someone making their 1st start.  But how can you see that performance and not be impressed with Jalen?  Like last Sunday had me more pumped than any game this year. That was by far our best performance of the season.  

11 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

he's not the future, once teams get some tape on him, I believe he'll go back to being a lifetime backup, probably less that 4 years, my opinion, but for now he's great

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Yep, you got all that from one game. It's not like the NFL is trending towards athletic QBs that can run the RPO or anything...

14 hours ago, XoqTionR said:

I backed McNabb for years until the Superbowl / TO debacle. McNabb had and ego too, couldn't handle having another star on the team. Then his skills started to fade. How can you bring in people to help a QB if they don't want to share the spotlight or becomes upset enough to effect their game? That's not a team player.

Dude... McNabb was indeed an ahole... TO was a SUPER AHOLE TO THE EXTREME. He couldn't co-exist with any QB or organization really.

1 hour ago, pallidrone said:

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Yep, you got all that from one game. It's not like the NFL is trending towards athletic QBs that can run the RPO or anything...

Yep, I hope he succeeds, let’s see what happens when there is tape on him, once you take away his legs you’ll see what I mean

9 hours ago, wyote said:

And when the happens, part of his ability to overcome that will be how confident he is that the fans have his back.

Judging from around here lately, he's screwed then. 

14 hours ago, MeccaDon123 said:

You should be supporting whoever puts this jersey on.

Funny how everyone wants to say that NOW. 

13 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

once teams get some tape on him, I believe he'll go back to being a lifetime backup

Dude, he's a rookie, how can he be a "lifetime backup"?  

NO PLAYER on this team should be just given a starting job because of what they've done in the past, how much they are paid, where they were drafted, etc.  We need to play the guy that gives us the best chance to win.  Clearly, that's Jalen Hurts right now.  

5 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

I noticed now people are overanalyzing Jalen's 167 pass yards.

That was also his first start.  No rookie QB lights it up in the air during their first start.  The fact that our veteran, franchise QB was putting up pretty similar numbers should be very troubling.

5 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

I noticed now people are overanalyzing Jalen's 167 pass yards.  News Flash.  It was the #1 Defense that has been destroying QB's all year on a 9 game winning streak.   It was his 1st start.  He will continue to get better in the passing game but he had to adapt.   That's what I loved about his performance.  He took what the Defense gave, adapted, adjusted and got the 1st downs when he needed too.  I mean Zero Sacks was huge.    I expect Jalen to have some big passing games eventually but I loved his decision making.  Also the 100 rush yards for a QB was the first time since Vick 10 years ago and the Saints D haven't given up 100 yards rushing in 3 years.  Also first 100 yard QB/RB duo (Jalen/Miles) since Mcnabb and Duce 18 years ago in 02'.  They are saying Jalen did things that hadn't been done in 70 years in this league.  That was a historic 1st start.   Again was it perfect?  No he had a few rookie mistakes which is expected for someone making their 1st start.  But how can you see that performance and not be impressed with Jalen?  Like last Sunday had me more pumped than any game this year. That was by far our best performance of the season.  

Loving how they’re over analyzing those numbers while minimizing Carson’s 38 passing yards in the first half against Green Bay. 

10 hours ago, wyote said:

I wonder if you could catch me doing that. I'll discuss when a guy isn't playing well, what might be factoring into and so on, but I won't be leading the "bench the bum" temper tantrums. I try to be careful about which narratives I contribute to. 

We're not GMs or coaches; we're fans. We have a role to play, it and I increasingly believe that playing it well is a matter of character. It's about virtues, especially the traditionally masculine virtues: loyalty, perseverance, solidarity, stoicism, and humility.  

For the moment there's a lot of dancing on Wentz's grave, celebrating the emergence of Hurts. Well, Hurts will struggle eventually. Everyone does. Everyone, no exceptions. And when the happens, part of his ability to overcome that will be how confident he is that the fans have his back. He'll know that he's struggling: he won't need us to tell him that. 

Wentz is a good example. He's probably finished here. I know the Eagles might keep him, maybe even until the end of his contract, but the thing is, he'll never recover his confidence as long as he's in Philadelphia. We can say it's about his failure, his flaw, his lack of bark, but every single guy out there is a human being, mostly they're kids, mostly guys who've always been just about the greatest athletes in their world until they get to the NFL, with plenty of adulation and beautiful women fawning over them. If they struggle, it'll always be hard for them, but the question of how toxic we are for them makes a difference. 

To this extent: I suspect the Eagles would've won a Super Bowl in the Reid-McNabb era if the fans had been more supportive. But the players knew we didn't really have their backs, and it really bothered some of them -- McNabb probably most of all. We broke that guy. Call him a wuss or whatever you want, justify it with the fact that he made plenty of money, you can even celebrate what we did to him if you want, but we also lost out. 

 

Fans are not to credit or blame for the team's wins or losses.  The impact fans can have in the stadium cheering can bring some enthusiasm, and the players miss that this year with no fans in the stadium.  But the idea that fans are to blame for holding players back or even preventing them from winning a championship is absolute rubbish and ridiculous.

I compare it to other things we consume like entertainment or food.  You "invest" in watching a TV show and after a few seasons it starts to be bad.  We're not writers, actors or directors but as customers we can notice that the content they're producing has become bad.  If a restaurant you like starts to lower in quality and you get some poorly prepared food or bad service and you stop going or complain to the manager, they don't tell you that you're just a "fan" and don't know what you're talking about.  They don't argue that you're not a chef, why don't you try cooking or you don't know how to run a restaurant so your opinion doesn't count just be loyal and supportive.  Nope, everyone has an opinion.  We're NFL consumers, and when we don't like the product on the filed we'll have our say.  Everyone gives opinions about literally everything thanks to internet and social media.

This year when Wentz has been struggling but he got some things going and ran for big 1st downs, or completing nice passes and touchdowns I cheered and got excited to see good football.  I thought, there's the old Wentz let's see more of that.  A lot of people in the GDT would get excited.  Even guys who want to see them tank and lose out for higher draft pick admit that once gameday arrives, they're cheering for a win and are happy to see good football on the field.

And when someone stinks on the field, they're going to get booed and fans will want to see someone else get in there and play better.  It's not "disloyal" it's just performance. 

49 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Loving how they’re over analyzing those numbers while minimizing Carson’s 38 passing yards in the first half against Green Bay. 

And saying Hurts is "figured out” because the offense only put up 7 points in the second half... despite the MANY halves of games this year where Wentz led the team to 7 points or less, including several shutout halves. 

59 minutes ago, NOTW said:

If a restaurant you like starts to lower in quality and you get some poorly prepared food or bad service and you stop going or complain to the manager, they don't tell you that you're just a "fan" and don't know what you're talking about.  They don't argue that you're not a chef, why don't you try cooking or you don't know how to run a restaurant so your opinion doesn't count just be loyal and supportive.  Nope, everyone has an opinion. 

That's not a valid analogy. We're not like customers at a restaurant. Customers at a restaurant play no part in making the food. And they probably aren't anything like fans of the restaurant. Are you really going to go be a fan of the Giants while they're better than the Eagles? And NFL football isn't a burger joint. A better analogy would be someone who watches 10 hours of cooking shows a week thinking they can make a Michelin star restaurant better by screaming profanities at the chef. If your opinions were actually that great, you'd already be a chef. 

Fans do play a part. You can deny it all you want, but not without denying the basic humanity of the players. They aren't just pixels on a screen. They're kids, basically. Very young men. The glory and the humiliation means a lot to them. I really doubt that you or I, despite our much longer life experience, could stand up to it any better than most of them do. 

 

Of course we all have opinions. The question is whether we value our right to express that opinion loudly and obnoxiously regardless of its affect on the team's morale more than we value the small contribution we can make to that morale. You don't; I do. In a nutshell, that's who we are. 

10 minutes ago, wyote said:

That's not a valid analogy. We're not like customers at a restaurant. Customers at a restaurant play no part in making the food. And they probably aren't anything like fans of the restaurant. Are you really going to go be a fan of the Giants while they're better than the Eagles? 

Fans do play a part. You can deny it all you want, but not without denying the basic humanity of the players. They aren't just pixels on a screen. They're kids, basically. Very young men. The glory and the humiliation means a lot to them. I really doubt that you or I, despite our much longer life experience, could stand up to it any better than most of them do. 

 

Of course we all have opinions. The question is whether we value our right to express that opinion loudly and obnoxiously regardless of its affect on the team's morale more than we value the small contribution we can make to that morale. You don't; I do. In a nutshell, that's who we are. 

Of course restaurants are different.  My point there is, you see poor quality you're going to comment your dislike.  Sports fans call em like they see em.  Carson was unanimously loved in his first couple seasons, and for the last 2 years most fans made excuses for his poor play with injuries, WRs, coaching, etc.  This year those are factors but Carson is having his worst season.  Pointing that out is not "disloyal."  It's reality.

I didn't "deny" that fans play a part, in fact I said they provide enthusiasm at the stadium and the players miss that.  You read what you wanted to there.  You said the fans are the reason McNabb didn't win a Super Bowl which is ABSURD.  

Carson himself said he doesn't pay attention to criticism and that's what he signed up for to be an NFL QB you are in the spotlight.  These are billion dollar organizations with marketing and PR people, mentors and professionals that prepare these athletes for handling these things.  They face it in high school then college and then get millions of dollars to play a game.  if they can't handle a boo or social media post that they suck when they have a bad game, they're in the wrong career.  They brag and dance and rant on social media themselves when they do well.  They can dish it out but can't take it?  Pssshhh.  Fans cheer the good, boo the bad it's as simple as that.  Even many players and coaches say they would boo too, they understand they're not playing well.  Put on your big boy pants and go play better.  People are paying money to watch them.  I'm not talking about being an a-hole, I'm talking about simply acknowledging bad play.  When Wentz has a terrible game with turnovers and bad throws and the team loses, fans are going to boo or be critical.  That's life.

2 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Judging from around here lately, he's screwed then. 

Funny how everyone wants to say that NOW. 

Being critical of a player is not the same as being unsupportive. I’m critical of JJAW, but do you think for a moment I want him to fail? Do you you think I like seeing Wentz look like a shell of himself? Do you really believe that is the mentality a fan should have? Don’t confuse the rest of us with you. You obviously want Hurts to fail, because of your idol worship of Wentz. For me and most fans no player/coach/owner/GM/executive is bigger than the team. I supported the team before any of these people showed up. I’m gonna cheer when they do well, and I’m gonna boo when they don’t. If the next guy up is better than the guy in so be it. That’s better for the Eagles. I’m an Eagles fan first and foremost. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Being critical of a player is not the same as being unsupportive. I’m critical of JJAW, but do you think for a moment I want him to fail? Do you you think I like seeing Wentz look like a shell of himself? Do you really believe that is the mentality a fan should have? Don’t confuse the rest of us with you. You obviously want Hurts to fail, because of your idol worship of Wentz. For me and most fans no player/coach/owner/GM/executive is bigger than the team. I supported the team before any of these people showed up. I’m gonna cheer when they do well, and I’m gonna boo when they don’t. If the next guy up is better than the guy in so be it. That’s better for the Eagles. I’m an Eagles fan first and foremost. 

I agree.  Fans call em like they see em.

I never wanted Jeffrey's contract extended, I thought he was done last year and certainly didn't want him to see the field this year at all.  But when he caught a TD pass I cheered, and I was like "ok Alshon, show us!"  

There's this weird idea that you aren't a good fan when the player sucks and you call that out.

2 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

Judging from around here lately, he's screwed then. 

Funny how everyone wants to say that NOW. 

There you go with saying everyone again.  You're a delusional hypocrite.