41 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

How many QBs in NFL history started their second year with a rookie HC and were successful that year? I sure can't think of any.

Brett Favre

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

How about we try this one on for size.

Super Bowl champion and Eagles legend Big D!ck Nick Foles.

 

Love the enthusiasm, but I don't think that we can compare a QB on his second stint with the team.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

How about we try this one on for size.

Super Bowl champion and Eagles legend Big D!ck Nick Foles.

 

That 2013 team had better stars on offense than last years squad.  Shady in his prime, Djax in his prime, Maclin (think Mac got hurt that year tho), Great O-Line.  Even with that great year, you see how it all went to crap once the idiot coach blew the team up. 

43 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

How many QBs in NFL history started their second year with a rookie HC and were successful that year? I sure can't think of any.

Tony Eason

Just now, pallidrone said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I don't think that we can compare a QB on his second stint with the team.

His first stint. Foles’ 2nd year was Chip’s first. Division championship. 10 wins. 

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

His first stint. Foles’ 2nd year was Chip’s first. Division championship. 10 wins. 

Yeah it was still his first go, the year before Andy was dealing with all that family stuff and got canned after. Chip really screwed us and himself over, but at least it lead to a SB in the end.

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

That 2013 team had better stars on offense than last years squad.  Shady in his prime, Djax in his prime, Maclin (think Mac got hurt that year tho), Great O-Line.  Even with that great year, you see how it all went to crap once the idiot coach blew the team up. 

None of that is relevant to the question.  I was asked to show "how many QBs in NFL history started their second year with a rookie HC and were successful that year?"

I have now given multiple examples.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Brett Favre

 

Just now, downundermike said:

Tony Eason

Now I think you are trying to use this meme over and over again. Brett Favre was nothing to write home about in his second year. It wasn't until year four that he was really good.

And Tony Eason? Come on, son. Raymond Berry took over the team halfway through the year. He was already on the team for 4 years before that happened. 

4 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Love the enthusiasm, but I don't think that we can compare a QB on his second stint with the team.

Um, rookie year, Andy Reid

Second year, rookie coach Chip Kelly.

That second year looks pretty successful to me.

 

5 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Going into year 3, there were a lot of fans that thought the Eagles made a mistake with McNabb, that he would never win, that Reid had no idea what he was doing as he was only a QB coach and that they should have drafted Culpepper. 

They complained that all he could do was play in shotgun, that he ran too much,, and that he did not have the mental capacity to play QB because of his low wonderlic score.

I would argue that other than his draft position, there were quite a few fans that held McNabb at the same level as Hurts is right now when it comes to playing the QB position.

 What? Fans were absolutely all in on McNabb by year 3. He led the team to a playoff win in his first year as the starter after an 11-5 season. 

None of the fanbase was really out on McNabb until they choked in the NFCCG a couple times. And even then I’d say the majority still believed in him until the ‘05 season. 

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

His first stint. Foles’ 2nd year was Chip’s first. Division championship. 10 wins. 

Ahh! I saw Super Bowl Champions and that is all my mind could focus on.

2 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

And Tony Eason? Come on, son. Raymond Berry took over the team halfway through the year. He was already on the team for 4 years before that happened. 

There was a rookie head coach, yes mid season, and Eason was drafted in 83, and in 84 with a coaching change he was succesful.

Don't try and change the parameters now.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

None of that is relevant to the question.  I was asked to show "how many QBs in NFL history started their second year with a rookie HC and were successful that year?"

I have now given multiple examples.

It is relevant because you can't evaluate all of that without also factoring in the conditions. Otherwise you're just making a point to make a point. I can very well point out just as many examples of guys that sucked in the same scenario, or were awful in their first year as a starter, yet went on to become Hall of Famers. Just look at Drew Brees' first 2 seasons as a starter in San Diego. Abysmal stats, but he's a HOF in the end.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Um, rookie year, Andy Reid

Second year, rookie coach Chip Kelly.

That second year looks pretty successful to me.

 

I mean, this is kind of stretching, isn't it? Technically, I guess you are right, but it seems disingenuous. 

Vick was the starter for that season, and then Foles, the greatest closer in NFL history, came in. 

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

I mean, this is kind of stretching, isn't it? Technically, I guess you are right, but it seems disingenuous. 

Vick was the starter for that season, and then Foles, the greatest closer in NFL history, came in.

All you said was success with in year 2 with a rookie head coach.

Now that I have given multiple examples, you are trying to change the parameters.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

There was a rookie head coach, yes mid season, and Eason was drafted in 83, and in 84 with a coaching change he was succesful.

Don't try and change the parameters now.

I am not trying the change the parameters here, but this is a bit of a stretch as well. It is not like he had to get a new playbook in the off-season and learn a brand new offense. All that happened was that an existing coach on the staff came in and took over the team. It is the same thing that happened with Cleveland and Baker.

Being reported that Hurts went something like 22 of 28 in the joint practice with the Dolphins today. Most of the completions were under 10 yards.

I have no point with this post. 

2 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

Being reported that Hurts went something like 22 of 28 in the joint practice with the Dolphins today. Most of the completions were under 10 yards.

I have no point with this post. 

A story from the joint practice today.

Tua Tagovailoa vs. Jalen Hurts: Who won the battle of 'Bama at Eagles-Dolphins joint practices? (profootballnetwork.com)

Here are the key takeaways.

"Tagovailoa completed 14 of his 20 passing attempts for 155 yards with no interceptions or touchdowns in team drills against the Eagles’ defense (which gave him a passer rating of 92.7).

Hurts, meanwhile, had a higher completion percentage (78.9%) but a substantially lower yards-per-attempt average (5.8). His passer rating (90.8) was also a tick below.

But beyond the stats, Tagovailoa was the more dangerous quarterback. He looked to stretch the field in ways Hurts did not Wednesday, connecting with Tyreek Hill on three passes of 20 or more yards. Hurts, meanwhile, was a checkdown passer for much of Wednesday’s two-hour session."

So advantage Tua. But the article also went on to state this.

"To be fair to Hurts, we didn’t see his full potential Wednesday. He is one of the league’s best dual-threat quarterbacks, but he did no real running during practice. That will change once the games start counting."

Overall, this is pretty much what fans should want from Hurts - a qb who takes what the defense gives him in the passing game, avoids turnovers and creates splash plays with his legs.

Red zone work will be interesting tomorrow. Hurts was good in the red zone last season and last week against the Browns. We will see if he can continue that. The Eagles should also be better on defense in the red zone.  

Hurts sat out the Browns game

It’s also being reported that today was the first Joint Practice loss the Eagles have had under this new Coaching Staff. 
 

I still have no point to my post.

2 hours ago, NCTANK said:

Hurts sat out the Browns game

They were referring to the joint practices. 

 

Still can't believe my thread from yesterday was deleted. Just for asking questions, in 2022, about sexuality. Didn't think the board was so prudish. 

On 8/24/2022 at 3:10 PM, jsb235 said:

A story from the joint practice today.

Tua Tagovailoa vs. Jalen Hurts: Who won the battle of 'Bama at Eagles-Dolphins joint practices? (profootballnetwork.com)

Here are the key takeaways.

"To be fair to Hurts, we didn’t see his full potential Wednesday. He is one of the league’s best dual-threat quarterbacks, but he did no real running during practice. That will change once the games start counting."

"Dual threat" is a term that you never heard in the past in the NFL.  You had "pocket" and "mobile."  Has Hurts moved the college terminology to the NFL with his unique run first quarterbacking?