7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You even responded to posts about me praising his improvement this year so how is that me not being able to handle being wrong?

 

What was the point behind that mindless comment? It seems that it would be to say that I'm just making sh** up, that people weren't exaggerating his shortcomings, and that no one could've seen the potential in Hurts. Maybe I should rephrase: Some people can't handle admitting that others had a better grasp of a situation than they did. 

3 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

What was the point behind that mindless comment? It seems that it would be to say that I'm just making sh** up, that people weren't exaggerating his shortcomings, and that no one could've seen the potential in Hurts. Maybe I should rephrase: Some people can't handle admitting that others had a better grasp of a situation than they did. 

It's ok to admit the truth that his passing ability was not good. Your fandom isn't questioned and no one will call you a fake fan

He drastically improved and looks like the future

8 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

I don't know, we'll have to wait and see. But is this the bar now? Are we moving the goalposts and saying Hurts at age 24 isn't a franchise QB if he can't yet go toe-to-toe with the best in the league? Maybe he's there, but if he isn't yet, that's fine. I think it's fine if it takes him another couple years to get to that level, but the team and coaching staff around him are definitely good enough for them to win it all right now, even if he isn't on the level of an Allen or Mahomes yet. He's also just a different kind of QB than they are, so an elite Hurts will still likely not look like Allen or Mahomes do when they're at the top of their games, but he'll still be good enough to get you the win on most Sundays.

Actually its not, teams with the #1 seed who bring in 32 year old pass rushers on 1 year deals are in win now mode, not winning it all will be a disappointment, and if they do not make the Super Bowl, well, it will be interesting to see what Howie Roseman does with his two first round picks.  He obviously was not sold going into the year, that is why he pushed one of the 1sts into next year with a stronger QB class.

From a talent perspective, this will be the best team that they assemble around Jalen Hurts.  Once he gets paid, other positions will suffer, if he then regresses, are you going to blame the lack of talent around him ??

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

It's ok to admit the truth that his passing ability was not good. Your fandom isn't questioned and no one will call you a fake fan

He drastically improved and looks like the future

Brian Dawkins said last Friday he questioned it at the end of last year.  He is obviously a racist hater who has never played a down of football in his life.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

His passing ability was a legitimate concern. He's clearly improved but to act like he was playing this way before is a lie

 

No one is acting like he was before.  But soany people here were dead set that he wasn't going to continue to improve and the Eagles were just wasting time with him and really any other QB would be a better option.  So many here got hostile against people that believed in Hurts and saw the improvement and saw how it was fully possible for him to make this leap. 

So many people here were so wrong. 

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Actually its not, teams with the #1 seed who bring in 32 year old pass rushers on 1 year deals are in win now mode, not winning it all will be a disappointment, and if they do not make the Super Bowl, well, it will be interesting to see what Howie Roseman does with his two first round picks. 

 

I disagree. They're obviously trying to win it all right now since the window is wide open, but if Hurts doesn't do it this year, no biggie, as long as he's showing steady improvement and winning a playoff game or two. The next 2-3 years is where we really find out what he's made of.

 

17 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Brian Dawkins said last Friday he questioned it at the end of last year.  He is obviously a racist hater who has never played a down of football in his life.

 

So. Much. Butthurt. Ya hate to see it...

35 minutes ago, downundermike said:

As was pointed out in the blog by Howie Roseman apologist austinfan, has he really improved that much, or is having an elite offensive line and skill position players hiding some flaws ??

As @Mike030270 said above, I would be worried about him beating a team like the Bills in the Super Bowl.

Offensively, Bills are #1 in yards per game and #2 in points per game.

Defensively, Bills are #3 in yards per game, and #1 in points per game.

Do you think Hurts is ready for a game like the KC / Buffalo playoff game last year ??  Can he go score for score, quickly with Josh Allen, or Patrick Mahomes for that matter ??

Couldn’t you ask the same questions about Allen and even Mahomes if that’s the case? Are they really that good or is it the elite talent around them? I mean Allen didn’t take off until he got Diggs. Mahomes has had Tyreek Hill, Kelce, and a handful of other really good receivers. 
 

The fact is that most/all QBs look a hell of a lot better when they have elite talent around them. But that doesn’t mean just any Qb will look great with that same talent. 

Next thing for Hurts to hone in on...intermediate/deep middle of the field.

The deep passing has really come along with some nice touch, anticipation, and accuracy.  The short touch passes were always there.  

The intermediate stuff is often thrown with less touch, more heat, and a quick release.  I want to see some progress there.  

But yesterday was great.  Stack that in the week 2&3 column.

12 minutes ago, nipples said:

Couldn’t you ask the same questions about Allen and even Mahomes if that’s the case? Are they really that good or is it the elite talent around them? I mean Allen didn’t take off until he got Diggs. Mahomes has had Tyreek Hill, Kelce, and a handful of other really good receivers. 
 

The fact is that most/all QBs look a hell of a lot better when they have elite talent around them. But that doesn’t mean just any Qb will look great with that same talent. 

Allen and Mahomes are on an entirely other level in regards to throwing the ball.

Josh Allen has 2198 passing yards, and 19 passing TD's.

Jalen Hurts has 2102 total yards, and 16 total TD's

Josh Allen's passing is better than Hurts total offense.

Allen also has 302 rushing yards and 2 TD's.  He is also a more efficient runner than Hurts.

I think we can all agree that Allen is superior to Hurts - IN THROWING PICKS.  6 already this year.  And a lower completion % than Hurts.

HURTS FOR PRESIDENT!!! 

21 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Allen and Mahomes are on an entirely other level in regards to throwing the ball.

Josh Allen has 2198 passing yards, and 19 passing TD's.

Jalen Hurts has 2102 total yards, and 16 total TD's

Josh Allen's passing is better than Hurts total offense.

Allen also has 302 rushing yards and 2 TD's.  He is also a more efficient runner than Hurts.

You’re missing the point entirely. Would Allen’s numbers be that great if he didn’t have Diggs? Because that’s what you’re questioning about Hurts. 

The back and forth is now officially irrelevant.  Hurts has blossomed into one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL.  Are Allen or Mahomes better? Who cares?  I hope we get a chance to see Hurts face off against one of them because that can only happen in Arizona in February. 

In the meantime, here and now, Hurts has obliterated any reasonable expectations with respect to his offseason development.  Guys almost never take a leap like what we're seeing right now and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it. 

21 minutes ago, nipples said:

You’re missing the point entirely. Would Allen’s numbers be that great if he didn’t have Diggs? Because that’s what you’re questioning about Hurts. 

I wasn't questioning it, austinfan was.  Just pointing out that in the playoffs, and Super Bowl, gonna have to win with your arm, and on top of having a better team, Allen is by far the superior quarterback.

Allen is better in pretty much every way. The only advantage Hurts has over Allen is that he is smarter with the football in terms of turnovers.

Considering our ball hawk defense, that is something that can swing it in our favour if both team make it to the big dance.

Allen and Mahomes are simply capable of things that Hurts never will be.  With their release and arm strength, the daunting odds of converting a desperate 3rd and 10+ are simply erased.  It's like a 3rd and 3 for them.  Same thing with playing down multiple scores or mere seconds on the clock.

However, that style of play, especially in recent weeks, also generates turnovers that Hurts just doesn't generate.  

Hurts' hyperbolic spectacular "leadership" and "drive" will be put to the test next offseason.  He's never going to be Allen or Mahomes.  If Hurts takes a much smaller contract and allows the team to stack up around him, that may give him an edge on Allen/Mahomes that their teams lack.  

When you pay a QB like Hurts like Allen/Mahomes when he just isn't them, that's when you create an insurmountable deficit and start falling back to the pack.  But if he is willing to play ball with Howie, then maybe he will be something special.

Yup, the talent gap between Hurts and the big 2 is substantial, but it doesn’t have to be fatal.

Montana was no where near the talent Elway and Marino were. Same with Brady compared to Rodgers. 

Both Brady and Montana went on to have better careers than their more talented counterparts because of intangibles, and in Brady’s case, suppression of greed.

I have zero questions about Hurts’ intangibles, I think even his staunchest critics would agree he has upper echelon intangibles.

Question is, will he take Brady’s example and take a below market deal or will he cash in like all the rest.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

When you pay a QB like Hurts like Allen/Mahomes when he just isn't them, that's when you create an insurmountable deficit and start falling back to the pack.  But if he is willing to play ball with Howie, then maybe he will be something special.

Kyler Murray is probably a better comp but the market is going up and his value is exploding.  They can extend him starting in February with the extension beginning in 2024 so they get another year of his rookie contract.  My guess?  He gets $150 million fully guaranteed, which will be market value for a top 5 quarterback.   What else can they do?  Trade him to the Colts? The Eagles are all in on this guy. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2023/guaranteed/quarterback/

I love that Hurts went out and threw 4 TDs and threw longer passes, he is developing his game more.

You know when people talk about the better QBs in the league they don't minimize they're performance because they have good receivers.  I never see people say well Josh Allen has Diggs so yeah let's see him perform without him.  Now that the Eagles have Brown, Smith and Goedert as well as some decent depth guys in Watkins and Pascal, Hurts has quality people to throw to.

There has been valid criticism of Hurts because he was developing and there were things we weren't yet seeing, but he showed potential.  Then there are ridiculous criticisms and downplaying of anything he did just out of blind hatred for him.  Examples in his earlier starts he did throw accurate passes, he did throw longer passes downfield and did show a strong arm.  

This year with a strong roster, 2nd year offense and all the consistency we're seeing that potential realized.  I still want to see him in crucial situations having to pick apart a defense by passing downfield in a 2 minute drill or late game situation, and to see him perform in the playoffs.  Last year seeing some of the playoff QBs was impressive; I want to see Hurts go to that level.  He's certainly going to get the opportunity.

57 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Allen and Mahomes are simply capable of things that Hurts never will be.  With their release and arm strength, the daunting odds of converting a desperate 3rd and 10+ are simply erased.  It's like a 3rd and 3 for them.  Same thing with playing down multiple scores or mere seconds on the clock.

However, that style of play, especially in recent weeks, also generates turnovers that Hurts just doesn't generate.  

Hurts' hyperbolic spectacular "leadership" and "drive" will be put to the test next offseason.  He's never going to be Allen or Mahomes.  If Hurts takes a much smaller contract and allows the team to stack up around him, that may give him an edge on Allen/Mahomes that their teams lack.  

When you pay a QB like Hurts like Allen/Mahomes when he just isn't them, that's when you create an insurmountable deficit and start falling back to the pack.  But if he is willing to play ball with Howie, then maybe he will be something special.

 

Yeah, I hate how every QB contract now has to be bigger than the previous one, regardless of the relative abilities of those players. The market is getting so ridiculous that you have to start wondering if its really worth it to pay these guys when it's going to completely wreck your ability to fill out the rest of the roster with talent.

16 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s all good Don. The trolls have been silenced. The doubters are starting to see the light. The Eagles are winning and it looks like we just may have darn good team and a franchise quarterback to boot. Eff the trashcan fans. 

After living thru the Vick vs Foles stuff that I admittedly took part in.. I just couldn't do it again. It's like, it's ok to criticize players.. but wishing injury on them so the other guy can start is just crazy. 

6 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

THIS. These kinds of debates make it really easy to spot the guys who have never played/coached at any competitive level.

Again, I didn't have issues with legit criticism.. but those few people here who where saying stuff like "he'll never"... and "he'll be out of the league in 2 years"... and "Tebow 2.0"... "noodle arm"... I would say "If he has a noodle arm how do you explain the overthrows"? And they would just come up with something foolish. My entire point was, give him a chance, let him work on his mechanics and footwork, the guy squats 600 and benches 400.. it's not a "arm strength" thing. They would go on to swear by God above that "he'll NEVER be an NFL QB".,. "He'll never be accurate".. and "he's just a running back playing QB.. He can't read a defense and he takes off running after 1 read" and my fav.. "No legit number 1 WR will EVER want to come here as long as he's the QB because they know they'll never get their numbers because "hurts can't throw". 

Boom, 1 year later, AJ Brown gets traded here, 1 of the top number 1 WRs in the league, the guy can't stop smiling, his 1st game he sets a career high in yards and just went for another 150 and 3TDs. 

Now some are calling Hurts the best/fastest decision making QB in the league. His ability to run the read option RPO is elite. He had Micah Parsons(1 of the best defenders in the league) looking lost at times. Parsons didn't know if he should play the run, cover a WR, or sack hurts. It was elite football. And now Hurts is in the MVP conversation. It's like when did this place become a place where if you support the players, something is wrong with you? Can these few oddballs just admit they were wrong so we can just enjoy the GDTs without being called "HuRtS huMpEr". Either way RIP to the "noodle arm" insult... you will be missed.  

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Allen and Mahomes are simply capable of things that Hurts never will be.  With their release and arm strength, the daunting odds of converting 

Oh STFU, mr Tyrod Taylor. Go blow your crappy qb evaluations and projections out your ass. 
 

and for the "what’s he gonna do when he faces Allen or Mahomes?” crowd. Omg, can you BE any dumber? He’ll NEVER face them. Qbs face defenses. They don’t face other qbs. It’s the defense’s job to do something about Mahomes/Allen/whatever qb you wanna blow this week. 

jalen hurts is him. You were all wrong. But please….. keep up the backhanded compliments. I like how now it’s because of all the weapons around him. 😂 

 

"yeah he’s improved but look at all the weapons he has now! How could he NOT improve?”

 

give me a break. 

We are never getting Mahomes or Allen. Get off their nuts, our guy is 7-0 and playing great. 

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

Allen and Mahomes are on an entirely other level in regards to throwing the ball.

Josh Allen has 2198 passing yards, and 19 passing TD's.

Jalen Hurts has 2102 total yards, and 16 total TD's

Josh Allen's passing is better than Hurts total offense.

Allen also has 302 rushing yards and 2 TD's.  He is also a more efficient runner than Hurts.

 

2 hours ago, nipples said:

You’re missing the point entirely. Would Allen’s numbers be that great if he didn’t have Diggs? Because that’s what you’re questioning about Hurts. 

So.. it's not really "by far".. There are a few variables you are missing that affect these numbers. 

 

So Allen has 50ish more passing attempts than Hurts does and 30ish more completions ..so obviously he'll have more passing yards. match the attempts and completions with Hurts passing averages and the numbers are way closer. Allen would have like only 150ish more passing yards..that's it.. You said Allen was a more efficient runner, well speaking of efficiency, Allen has 31INTs over the past 2 and 1/2 seasons, Hurts has half that ...15 INTs. He has fewer pass attempts so obviously he'll have fewer INTs. Hurts has 6 rushing TDs, Allen has 2. Allen has 5 fumbles, Hurts has 3. 

 

Allen is in his 5th year, Hurts is in his 3rd. Allen has 68 games played, 67 starts. Hurts has played in 37 games, 26 starts. The fact that we're even having the conversation shows how elite Hurts has become and maybe we should revisit the convo after Hurts starts 67 games in his 5th year. 

5 minutes ago, MeccaDon123 said:

 

So.. it's not really "by far".. There are a few variables you are missing that affect these numbers. 

 

So Allen has 50ish more passing attempts than Hurts does and 30ish more completions ..so obviously he'll have more passing yards. match the attempts and completions with Hurts passing averages and the numbers are way closer. Allen would have like only 150ish more passing yards..that's it.. You said Allen was a more efficient runner, well speaking of efficiency, Allen has 31INTs over the past 2 and 1/2 seasons, Hurts has half that ...15 INTs. He has fewer pass attempts so obviously he'll have fewer INTs. Hurts has 6 rushing TDs, Allen has 2. Allen has 5 fumbles, Hurts has 3. 

 

Allen is in his 5th year, Hurts is in his 3rd. Allen has 68 games played, 67 starts. Hurts has played in 37 games, 26 starts. The fact that we're even having the conversation shows how elite Hurts has become and maybe we should revisit the convo after Hurts starts 67 games in his 5th year. 

Why does Allen have more touches?? Could it be the coaching staff trusts him more.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why does Allen have more touches?? Could it be the coaching staff trusts him more.

Why does Sanders have 200+ more rushing yards than Bufs leading rusher? The offenses are ran differently.

 

Why does Allen have 67 career starts compared to Hurts 26 starts? Why are we comparing 2 QBs when 1 has 41 more starts? Did you see the dimes Hurts was dropping yesterday? What if that improves? What if Hurts gets even better? Like I said, Maybe we should revisit this when Hurts has started 67 games and played 5 years. 

39 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

We are never getting Mahomes or Allen. Get off their nuts, our guy is 7-0 and playing great. 

This